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		By: Bruce, a.k.a. Atwo Zee, registered traveler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2022 22:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Between the &#060; and &#062; it should say &quot;if you have EVER been convicted of a registrable offense in another state&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between the &lt; and &gt; it should say &#8220;if you have EVER been convicted of a registrable offense in another state&#8221;</p>
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		By: Bruce, a.k.a. Atwo Zee, registered traveler		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54313</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce, a.k.a. Atwo Zee, registered traveler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2022 21:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear friends, there have been several comments here about what is the affect on your registry status is if you leave Florida.  I am registered in 2 states, Iowa and Florida. And as some of you know, I have been researching the registries of the 50 states and 5 territories for several years now, so please let me offer a few insights.
First, my personal experience leaving Florida.  Fact, you can leave or even die, but Florida never takes you off. The result is that no matter where you go the Florida registry follows you.  Iowa, it turns out, is one of those states that puts you on their registry either (a) for the amount of time they would require, or (b) for the amount of time required by your state of offense (Florida), whichever is MORE.  Therefore they put me on lifetime even though the time period for an in-state offense would be ten years!  The good news for me is that due to a quirk in Iowa law, I am allowed to apply to get off after 5 years. Yey! Of course, whether they will approve me is a separate question.
HOWEVER:  So - if I get off Iowa&#039;s registry I&#039;m &quot;free to go,&quot; right? 
WRONG! Yes I&#039;ll be free to go - but ONLY in Iowa! As soon as I cross into another state - say, Illinois or Minnesota or Missouri - either as a visitor or if I move to that state - I am immediately subject to that state&#039;s rules. Why? Because nearly all states&#039; registry laws require you to comply and register &#060;&#062; - not if you are on or off the registry in any other state. So if I wanted to get myself off the registry in a second state - for example, Georgia - I would have to move to Georgia, get on their registry, and then follow their procedure to get off.  If I were successful, then I&#039;d be &quot;free to go&quot; in Georgia and Iowa, but every time I traveled back and forth between those state&#039;s I&#039;d have to follow the &quot;visitor rules&quot; for all the states in between - AND whenever I would travel anywhere else I&#039;d still have to follow all those state by state visitor rules.
Some of you also know I have a travel blog, Atwo Zee, Registered Traveler, which can be found at https://a2twozee.blogspot.com/
On that site I have two charts, &quot;State and Territorial Visitor Registration Law Guide&quot; and &quot;State and Territorial Visitor Registration Laws for FORMER nd LONG-TERM registrants.&quot; This second chart gives you state by state rules for if and how you can apply to get off each state and territory&#039;s registry, including relevant statutory quotes and references. I hope this information is helpful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear friends, there have been several comments here about what is the affect on your registry status is if you leave Florida.  I am registered in 2 states, Iowa and Florida. And as some of you know, I have been researching the registries of the 50 states and 5 territories for several years now, so please let me offer a few insights.<br />
First, my personal experience leaving Florida.  Fact, you can leave or even die, but Florida never takes you off. The result is that no matter where you go the Florida registry follows you.  Iowa, it turns out, is one of those states that puts you on their registry either (a) for the amount of time they would require, or (b) for the amount of time required by your state of offense (Florida), whichever is MORE.  Therefore they put me on lifetime even though the time period for an in-state offense would be ten years!  The good news for me is that due to a quirk in Iowa law, I am allowed to apply to get off after 5 years. Yey! Of course, whether they will approve me is a separate question.<br />
HOWEVER:  So &#8211; if I get off Iowa&#8217;s registry I&#8217;m &#8220;free to go,&#8221; right?<br />
WRONG! Yes I&#8217;ll be free to go &#8211; but ONLY in Iowa! As soon as I cross into another state &#8211; say, Illinois or Minnesota or Missouri &#8211; either as a visitor or if I move to that state &#8211; I am immediately subject to that state&#8217;s rules. Why? Because nearly all states&#8217; registry laws require you to comply and register &lt;&gt; &#8211; not if you are on or off the registry in any other state. So if I wanted to get myself off the registry in a second state &#8211; for example, Georgia &#8211; I would have to move to Georgia, get on their registry, and then follow their procedure to get off.  If I were successful, then I&#8217;d be &#8220;free to go&#8221; in Georgia and Iowa, but every time I traveled back and forth between those state&#8217;s I&#8217;d have to follow the &#8220;visitor rules&#8221; for all the states in between &#8211; AND whenever I would travel anywhere else I&#8217;d still have to follow all those state by state visitor rules.<br />
Some of you also know I have a travel blog, Atwo Zee, Registered Traveler, which can be found at <a href="https://a2twozee.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://a2twozee.blogspot.com/</a><br />
On that site I have two charts, &#8220;State and Territorial Visitor Registration Law Guide&#8221; and &#8220;State and Territorial Visitor Registration Laws for FORMER nd LONG-TERM registrants.&#8221; This second chart gives you state by state rules for if and how you can apply to get off each state and territory&#8217;s registry, including relevant statutory quotes and references. I hope this information is helpful.</p>
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		By: JZ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54312</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2022 22:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Darn, there goes my move to Vermont!

The special legislative session begins tomorrow in Tallahassee. You know, where the &quot;compensated&quot; state legislators &quot;get tough&quot; on their donors to get us the best rates. Meanwhile, we continue to pay higher insurance premiums because these same legislators allow the rich to build on the beach, on flood plains, on wetlands, etc. When are the cowards in Tallahassee going to address that?

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Calendar/2022A/Daily%20Calendars%202022-12-09%20184710.PDF]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darn, there goes my move to Vermont!</p>
<p>The special legislative session begins tomorrow in Tallahassee. You know, where the &#8220;compensated&#8221; state legislators &#8220;get tough&#8221; on their donors to get us the best rates. Meanwhile, we continue to pay higher insurance premiums because these same legislators allow the rich to build on the beach, on flood plains, on wetlands, etc. When are the cowards in Tallahassee going to address that?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Calendar/2022A/Daily%20Calendars%202022-12-09%20184710.PDF" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Calendar/2022A/Daily%20Calendars%202022-12-09%20184710.PDF</a></p>
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		By: JoeM		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-1/#comment-54311</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JoeM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2022 17:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-1/#comment-54299&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

But if you are not on the registry say in Georgia, you can use a pseudonym without risking 5 years of prison. Sure, a search suing your real name will turn you up on the Federal registry, but if you are off, it won&#039;t show up on the local one telling people where you live. People say that isn&#039;t relief, but these are the same folks who crow about essentially meaningless &quot;victories&quot; in court. They need to make up their minds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-1/#comment-54299">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>But if you are not on the registry say in Georgia, you can use a pseudonym without risking 5 years of prison. Sure, a search suing your real name will turn you up on the Federal registry, but if you are off, it won&#8217;t show up on the local one telling people where you live. People say that isn&#8217;t relief, but these are the same folks who crow about essentially meaningless &#8220;victories&#8221; in court. They need to make up their minds.</p>
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		By: JoeM		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54310</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JoeM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2022 17:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54308&quot;&gt;David V C&lt;/a&gt;.

In Florida? Not true. Even though the STATE has admitted that they can&#039;t extend that special condition of probation to anyone convicted before 2005, they &quot;allow&quot; the cities and counties to do it and we never seem to have anyone challenge that no matter how many lawsuits we see. If you are talking about Ohio, then i the past, they apply the rules of your state of conviction. That is what happned to Derek from Once Fallen. If you were convicted before the AWA, you normally would have gotten off in 10 years in Ohio. But they would say that Florida is &quot;lifetime&quot; registration no matter what, so you are lifetime. If they are now using the new AWA standard, then it would be 25 years for most of us. Not sure if that is 25 from conviction like I hear the Federal standard is, or 25 from end of sanctions like many states. The two states that I know of in the east that apply their on standards of Georgia and Vermont. But in Georgia, it varies depending on when you were convicted. If you have 10 years since end of sanctions, you don&#039;t eve have to register in Vermont if you are a 19 year registrant, which most are from what I can tell. Problem is that Vermont is COLD and very expensive. 4 or 5 years ago, you could find cheap real estate in places other than the Burlington metro area, but no longer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54308">David V C</a>.</p>
<p>In Florida? Not true. Even though the STATE has admitted that they can&#8217;t extend that special condition of probation to anyone convicted before 2005, they &#8220;allow&#8221; the cities and counties to do it and we never seem to have anyone challenge that no matter how many lawsuits we see. If you are talking about Ohio, then i the past, they apply the rules of your state of conviction. That is what happned to Derek from Once Fallen. If you were convicted before the AWA, you normally would have gotten off in 10 years in Ohio. But they would say that Florida is &#8220;lifetime&#8221; registration no matter what, so you are lifetime. If they are now using the new AWA standard, then it would be 25 years for most of us. Not sure if that is 25 from conviction like I hear the Federal standard is, or 25 from end of sanctions like many states. The two states that I know of in the east that apply their on standards of Georgia and Vermont. But in Georgia, it varies depending on when you were convicted. If you have 10 years since end of sanctions, you don&#8217;t eve have to register in Vermont if you are a 19 year registrant, which most are from what I can tell. Problem is that Vermont is COLD and very expensive. 4 or 5 years ago, you could find cheap real estate in places other than the Burlington metro area, but no longer.</p>
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		By: Tearfuleagle		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54309</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tearfuleagle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2022 03:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54305&quot;&gt;DVH&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for the information.  I am sorry to hear about the job.  Has he gone back in?  If not tell him to go in person.  He needs to get a hard yes or no.  That way he can move on to his next opportunity.  Have him look into call centers or companies that work remote.]]></description>
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<p>Thank you for the information.  I am sorry to hear about the job.  Has he gone back in?  If not tell him to go in person.  He needs to get a hard yes or no.  That way he can move on to his next opportunity.  Have him look into call centers or companies that work remote.</p>
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		By: David V C		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54308</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David V C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2022 23:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54305&quot;&gt;DVH&lt;/a&gt;.

The 1,000 foot registry is only for convictions after 2003.]]></description>
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<p>The 1,000 foot registry is only for convictions after 2003.</p>
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		By: Dustin		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54307</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dustin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2022 23:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54304&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

Another point I&#039;ve been making since becoming a registrant. Grants are given based on the size of the registry, ergo, Florida&#039;s &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; reason for not removing dead, incarcerated, or relocated registrants, as well as adding so many more register-able offenses (obviously, Florida is not alone in that).

You would think the ironically-named SMART office would have a problem with that. But like any other government agency at any level, the worst thing in the world that could happen to them is coming in at or under budget in any given year. Betting that&#039;s also why they changed their standard for those grants from full compliance with their mandates to substantial compliance (&quot;substantial apparently redefined as simply having a registry at all).

I&#039;ve tried finding a means to ask SMART to audit whatever grant funds they dole out, but have come up empty. If anyone has any idea how to make that happen, I&#039;m all ears.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54304">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>Another point I&#8217;ve been making since becoming a registrant. Grants are given based on the size of the registry, ergo, Florida&#8217;s <em>real</em> reason for not removing dead, incarcerated, or relocated registrants, as well as adding so many more register-able offenses (obviously, Florida is not alone in that).</p>
<p>You would think the ironically-named SMART office would have a problem with that. But like any other government agency at any level, the worst thing in the world that could happen to them is coming in at or under budget in any given year. Betting that&#8217;s also why they changed their standard for those grants from full compliance with their mandates to substantial compliance (&#8220;substantial apparently redefined as simply having a registry at all).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried finding a means to ask SMART to audit whatever grant funds they dole out, but have come up empty. If anyone has any idea how to make that happen, I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54306</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2022 20:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54305&quot;&gt;DVH&lt;/a&gt;.

DHV
Thank for you sharing. Mom&#039;s are very protective and in my case, my Mom was trying to get me to petition our Governor Ron Desantis. I explained to her that it would be political suicide for him to do that, and even if it wouldn&#039;t, there is no way our governor is pardoning any sex offenders. 
Hell would freeze over and the Earth would stand still if that happened. I mean they won&#039;t even remove the dead and those who have moved away, why would they remove anyone else without a court order?
Best wishes for your son. When I worked I had no issues finding jobs. It was when a customer recognized me and complained that I would get let go. My last job was working in a warehouse. It was a pack and ship company so we did not deal with customers directly and you had to be at least 18 to work there due to Heavy equipment and OSHA regulations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54305">DVH</a>.</p>
<p>DHV<br />
Thank for you sharing. Mom&#8217;s are very protective and in my case, my Mom was trying to get me to petition our Governor Ron Desantis. I explained to her that it would be political suicide for him to do that, and even if it wouldn&#8217;t, there is no way our governor is pardoning any sex offenders.<br />
Hell would freeze over and the Earth would stand still if that happened. I mean they won&#8217;t even remove the dead and those who have moved away, why would they remove anyone else without a court order?<br />
Best wishes for your son. When I worked I had no issues finding jobs. It was when a customer recognized me and complained that I would get let go. My last job was working in a warehouse. It was a pack and ship company so we did not deal with customers directly and you had to be at least 18 to work there due to Heavy equipment and OSHA regulations.</p>
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		By: DVH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DVH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2022 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/a-response-to-the-if-you-dont-like-it-leave-commenters/comment-page-2/#comment-54301&quot;&gt;Tearfuleagle&lt;/a&gt;.

Our son just moved back here to Ohio because my brother who lived down in Florida decided to move back home to be around family.  If our son would not have come back with his uncle he would have been left in Florida without any family support.  Ohio has placed our son on a tier one and has listed his charges from Florida but rather than listing a victim they list that it was a sting operation.  For a tier one in Ohio it is 15 years on the registry but they can apply to come off at 10.  Our son was given credit for time on the registry in Florida and has 4 more years before he can become eligible to apply to come off.  Also in Ohio they have a blanket residency restriction of 1000 ft from a school or daycare for all offenders.  Our son did not have any residency restrictions in Florida so I guess that was one trade off for having him closer to a family support system.  Problem he is having right now is finding a job. He had one he left in Florida detailing cars at an auto dealership and he applied to one up here and was up front and honest about his past and they made it seem like they wanted to hire him after taking a drug test but they have been ghosting him for 2 weeks now.  We encouraged him to apply elsewhere but the mom in me wants so much to go in that dealership and give them a what for and educate them about the registry.  It has been difficult to navigate as a family because we are all affected. We both work for schools and we fear that if anyone catches wind that we have a son on the registry we would lose our jobs.  That is why we try and maintain a low profile when it comes to talking about our son.   It&#039;s one of the things I hate about the registry and consider it punishment.  Our son along with many others did their time and for most have never had any issue or recidivism but yet they are still bound in captivity by the registry.  Sorry so long just frustrated.]]></description>
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<p>Our son just moved back here to Ohio because my brother who lived down in Florida decided to move back home to be around family.  If our son would not have come back with his uncle he would have been left in Florida without any family support.  Ohio has placed our son on a tier one and has listed his charges from Florida but rather than listing a victim they list that it was a sting operation.  For a tier one in Ohio it is 15 years on the registry but they can apply to come off at 10.  Our son was given credit for time on the registry in Florida and has 4 more years before he can become eligible to apply to come off.  Also in Ohio they have a blanket residency restriction of 1000 ft from a school or daycare for all offenders.  Our son did not have any residency restrictions in Florida so I guess that was one trade off for having him closer to a family support system.  Problem he is having right now is finding a job. He had one he left in Florida detailing cars at an auto dealership and he applied to one up here and was up front and honest about his past and they made it seem like they wanted to hire him after taking a drug test but they have been ghosting him for 2 weeks now.  We encouraged him to apply elsewhere but the mom in me wants so much to go in that dealership and give them a what for and educate them about the registry.  It has been difficult to navigate as a family because we are all affected. We both work for schools and we fear that if anyone catches wind that we have a son on the registry we would lose our jobs.  That is why we try and maintain a low profile when it comes to talking about our son.   It&#8217;s one of the things I hate about the registry and consider it punishment.  Our son along with many others did their time and for most have never had any issue or recidivism but yet they are still bound in captivity by the registry.  Sorry so long just frustrated.</p>
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