Not being an attorney I cant say with certainty but I believe they have two years to change a plea.

JJJJ, why are you debating this? On December 9, 2022 at 11:30 am, you wrote “Amendment 4 is facially illegal.” If your opinion is that it is facially illegal but the courts in Jones and McCoy didn’t agree with your opinion that it’s illegal, nor did the 11th Circuit, you can believe as strongly as you want that you are right, but you will be wrong. You can strongly believe that DUI laws are facially illegal, but drive through a sobriety check with a .15 and you’ll probably be arrested.

I completely disagree with all your points, but that’s my opinion. We can respect each other’s opinions, but not share them with our readers as if they are fact. Here’s the FACT… Amendment 4 was enacted into law and until a COURT agrees with your opinion it is LEGAL. It is 1000% the law and as much as we disagree with the law we encourage our readers to follow the law. I think the registry is illegal in 100 ways but I would not be that reckless to make a statement that it’s facially illegal and then reference a federal court decision that had nothing to do with it.

Keep in mind people JUST got arrested because they voted after someone gave them misinformation. If someone votes, gets arrested, and then tells the Judge that they read in FAC’s forum that Amendment 4 was facially illegal the judge will laugh at them.

We need to be responsible to our members and not perpetuate misinformation.

I never said that “It was declared illegal”.
I also never said that the Hand v. Scott judgement was commenting on amendment 4 (that would have been temporally impossible, obviously.)

I said that this amendment is illegal on its very face.”
That is my opinion, and I believe very strongly that I am right.

The fact is that amendment 4 is a direct result of Hand v. Scott.
1.) Amendment 4 resulted from that decision (Hand v. Scott)
2.) Hand v. Scott is what spurred the Florida legislature to act.
3.) Hand v. Scott very clearly says that the old scheme of the governor’s tribunal is unconstitutional (illegal):
“…Having determined that Florida’s vote-restoration scheme is unconstitutional, this Court must
determine the appropriate relief. …”
4.) Certain ex-felons are still required to subject themselves to an unconstitutional procedure (governor’s tribunal).
5.) No due process was undertaken to make an exception for certain ex-felons.
Therefore: FL Amendment 4 (2018) is illegalk because it violates the US constitution without giving any due process!

That is (only) MY opinion.

Hand v. Scott had nothing to do with Amendment 4. That case was decided in Feb 2018. Amendment 4 was passed in November of 2018. It didn’t even address Amendment 4.

I’m not trying to throw something in your face here, but it’s important we don’t misinform people. Amendment 4 WAS NOT declared “facially illegal”. Amendment 4 is the law. More specifically, effective January 8, 2019, convicted felons who have completed all terms of their sentence, including parole and probation, and were not convicted of murder or sexual offenses are eligible to register to vote. Period. That’s the current law, never declared illegal.

Keep in mind that some people are in this mess (voting illegally) because they were misinformed by others and relied on that misinformation. We can’t have that happen here.

https://casetext.com/case/hand-v-scott-4

JJJJ, Please cite the case you are referring to. Jones v. Governor of Florida, 950 F.3d 795 (11th Cir. 2020) ruled that Amendment 4 could not prevent the plaintiffs from voting based solely on their genuine inability to pay legal financial obligations. So Amendment 4 had not been declared facially unconstitutional at that time and has not since.

I don’t think Amendment 4 mentions the tribunal.

Theres a new section in our reporting paperwork that we need to sign that states we may not be able to vote in big red letters. I still dont understand why we need to sign all this every time we do anything but its just been put on there in volusia with the other 17 initials we need to put and fingerprint