Comments on: Battle in Ex Post Facto Plus case highlights vagueness in registration statute. https://floridaactioncommittee.org/battle-in-ex-post-facto-plus-case-highlights-vagueness-in-registration-statute/ Reforming Florida’s Sex Offender Registry Laws Sat, 21 Nov 2020 02:32:54 +0000 hourly 1 By: Detroit https://floridaactioncommittee.org/battle-in-ex-post-facto-plus-case-highlights-vagueness-in-registration-statute/comment-page-1/#comment-36868 Sat, 21 Nov 2020 02:32:54 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14340#comment-36868 When you read the history of the ex post facto laws, you understand that it applies to civil as well as criminal cases. Yes, our supreme court got this one wrong.

]]> By: Ed C https://floridaactioncommittee.org/battle-in-ex-post-facto-plus-case-highlights-vagueness-in-registration-statute/comment-page-1/#comment-36867 Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:08:23 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14340#comment-36867 In reply to Dustin.

Yes, my understanding of the rationale for the vagueness doctrine is: 1) to give citizens fair notice regarding what is unlawful; and 2) to prevent arbitrary and capricious enforcement by police and prosecutors.

]]> By: Ed C https://floridaactioncommittee.org/battle-in-ex-post-facto-plus-case-highlights-vagueness-in-registration-statute/comment-page-1/#comment-36866 Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:00:17 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14340#comment-36866 In reply to rpsabq.

Their answer probably would be that if a sex crime had been committed in the area they would have someone to harass–ehhhh I mean a possible suspect.

]]> By: rpsabq https://floridaactioncommittee.org/battle-in-ex-post-facto-plus-case-highlights-vagueness-in-registration-statute/comment-page-1/#comment-36865 Mon, 09 Nov 2020 04:03:56 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14340#comment-36865 In reply to Alan.

Interesting indeed. Thanks.

]]> By: rpsabq https://floridaactioncommittee.org/battle-in-ex-post-facto-plus-case-highlights-vagueness-in-registration-statute/comment-page-1/#comment-36864 Mon, 09 Nov 2020 03:40:28 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14340#comment-36864 Yes, this was good Sunday night reading. My favorite part is during the deposition of Mary Coffee, Valerie asks, “SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY DOES THE AGENCY WANT TO KNOW WHERE YOU’VE BEEN IF YOU’VE ALREADY LEFT?” LOL. That pretty much sums it up.

]]> By: Alan https://floridaactioncommittee.org/battle-in-ex-post-facto-plus-case-highlights-vagueness-in-registration-statute/comment-page-1/#comment-36863 Sat, 07 Nov 2020 15:28:52 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14340#comment-36863 Ex Post Facto laws as covered in the US and Florida Constitutions, one is verbatim of the other, and neither says anything about limiting them to Criminal law only. This limitation has been enacted by the US and Florida Supreme Courts in both their infinite wisdom.

The following is an argument paper by a lawyer at the CATO institution explaining the 1790 US Supreme Court ruling that Ex Post Facto laws do not apply to civil law and his take on why that ruling was wrong.

https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/1995/11/cj15n2-3-4.pdf

]]> By: Concerned https://floridaactioncommittee.org/battle-in-ex-post-facto-plus-case-highlights-vagueness-in-registration-statute/comment-page-1/#comment-36862 Sat, 07 Nov 2020 00:00:21 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14340#comment-36862 “[H]ow can Plaintiffs present their case? You get the dilemma.” I don’t mean to speak for others out of turn, but I’m pretty sure we all get it. Thanks FAC and to the Plaintiffs in this case. Us there any way to get the Plaintiffs a grant of pocket (ie. use and derivative use) immunity in exchange for their testimony? Sometimes courts will grant this type of immunity on their own without a government entity doing it.

]]> By: Anonymous https://floridaactioncommittee.org/battle-in-ex-post-facto-plus-case-highlights-vagueness-in-registration-statute/comment-page-1/#comment-36861 Fri, 06 Nov 2020 22:37:28 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14340#comment-36861 Sounds like the plaintiffs have to stage a scenario in which they can back out of after testifying so that they won’t incur the legal liability.

]]> By: Dustin https://floridaactioncommittee.org/battle-in-ex-post-facto-plus-case-highlights-vagueness-in-registration-statute/comment-page-1/#comment-36860 Fri, 06 Nov 2020 22:36:20 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14340#comment-36860 One other problem that I dont see addressed in the motion. Not only does every different FDLE officer interpret the statutes the statutes in general as they see fit, they also interpret them differently to each individual registrant.

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