Comments on: EDITED: Bill REQUIRES registration for those with Fines or Fees https://floridaactioncommittee.org/bill-prevents-removal-from-registration-for-those-with-fines-or-fees/ Reforming Florida’s Sex Offender Registry Laws Thu, 31 Dec 2020 23:40:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: CherokeeJack https://floridaactioncommittee.org/bill-prevents-removal-from-registration-for-those-with-fines-or-fees/comment-page-3/#comment-38158 Thu, 31 Dec 2020 23:40:35 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14605#comment-38158 In reply to Detroit.

Rm
What is sick though, why should we have to move away from our families, our lives, our friends etc. to get away from these nasty, oppressive laws, rules, regulations, and ordinances?

I like living in Florida and do not want to have to go through the Michigan winters alone. Although I say I would do anything to get off the registry, there are limits for all of us.

It has been 30 years since the accusations against me. Been 18 since I got off probation. Hopefully in 2023, if nothing has changed by then, I can petition to get off the registry. Two roadblocks. First is no guarantee you will get a judge who will let you off. And secondly, where to come up with the untold thousands it will cost to hire the lawyer.

]]> By: Jacob https://floridaactioncommittee.org/bill-prevents-removal-from-registration-for-those-with-fines-or-fees/comment-page-3/#comment-38157 Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:30:30 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14605#comment-38157 In reply to Detroit.

State-by-state information may be found at the NARSOL State Wiki (select the state in the sidebar):

https://statewiki.narsol.org/doku.php

]]> By: Detroit https://floridaactioncommittee.org/bill-prevents-removal-from-registration-for-those-with-fines-or-fees/comment-page-3/#comment-38156 Wed, 30 Dec 2020 20:51:10 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14605#comment-38156 RM:
Thanks for this info. We have to get it out to registrants so they can find states where they are not required to register. Michigan obviously is the most sweeping and the most logical state to recommend to registrants. The largest number will be removed in Michigan. Some are removed in other states as well. We need to get this information published so registrants can strategize to get off of the registry. The first thing they need to know is that they have options to get off of the registry.

]]> By: RM https://floridaactioncommittee.org/bill-prevents-removal-from-registration-for-those-with-fines-or-fees/comment-page-3/#comment-38155 Wed, 30 Dec 2020 15:10:26 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14605#comment-38155 In reply to Detroit.

Virginia is another good state, depending on your offense (it’s a very bad state if the victim was 15 or younger, however). In some cases, it is possible to move to Virginia and then immediately petition the circuit court to relieve you of the requirement to register. Also, the District of Columbia is a 10 year/Life jurisdiction. If you fall under the 10 year registration requirement, which there starts from the date of release and not the end of probation like in Florida, and your 10 years have already lapsed, you will not be required to register in DC upon moving there. You should still go to the DC police and try to register, but if you are a 10 year registrant and your 10 years have expired, they will tell you you do not have to register and in fact they cannot even legally register you.

]]> By: Detroit https://floridaactioncommittee.org/bill-prevents-removal-from-registration-for-those-with-fines-or-fees/comment-page-3/#comment-38154 Wed, 30 Dec 2020 02:00:27 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14605#comment-38154 Concerned:
Also, the registry has been on hold in Michigan since February and is expected to be on hold for several more months.
You can take a break from the registry today by spending a few months in Michigan until the judge lifts his order.

]]> By: Detroit https://floridaactioncommittee.org/bill-prevents-removal-from-registration-for-those-with-fines-or-fees/comment-page-3/#comment-38153 Wed, 30 Dec 2020 01:44:19 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14605#comment-38153 Maestro:
The judge signed the order putting Michigan’s registry on hold in February. I haven’t heard of a registrant committing a new sex crime.
The situation in Michigan is quite confusing. Some police are telling registrants that they don’t have to register if their offense date preceded 2012. This isn’t rue. This won’t take effect until Does II becomes final in a few months we hope. There is at least on police department requiring people to register in direct contravention of the judge’s order. The Detroit police have long been loathe to enforce the registry and only do so to support the state police. Hundreds of people haven’t registered in Detroit in years and the police don’t care. Look on Michigan’s sex offender website at all of the registrants in Detroit who haven’t registered in 5 or 10 years. Most have warrants but as long as they continue to fly under the radar, the Detroit police don’t go looking for them.
It’s pretty bad when the police don’t even know the law or can determine who is required to register. What better proof do you want that the registry is unconstitutionally vague.
You bring up a good point and I do hope they do some type of study.

]]> By: Detroit https://floridaactioncommittee.org/bill-prevents-removal-from-registration-for-those-with-fines-or-fees/comment-page-3/#comment-38152 Wed, 30 Dec 2020 01:28:51 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14605#comment-38152 Concerned:
There are at least 3 or 4 states registrants can move to and be removed from the registry. Pennsylvania actually got a series of decisions removing several registrants. The Indiana Supreme Court in 2009 ruled in Wallace that Indiana’s registry was punitive then backpedeled a little bit. There was a good decision out of Oklahoma in Starkey perhaps 15 years ago.
Michigan just happens to the state where it was so sweeping that it is expected to remove over 1/2 the non-incarcerated registrants.
The ACLU won in the 6th Circuit which built on various state and federal court decisions in Michigan. You have to remember that Ohio, Tennessee and Kentucky are also in the 6th Circuit. The 6th Circuit decision only directly affected Michigan registrant’s but indirectly affected registrants in Tennessee, Kentucky and Ohio. The only reason the registrants in these states are on the registry is because they haven’t sued yet. Rest assured, as soon as the lawsuits hit the rest of the 6th Circuit, you are going to see a lot more registrants being removed.
There was a recent win in the 9th Circuit. This was a very narrow win but you have to remember there are over 50 million people in the 9th Circuit, so this is actually quite a victory.
And it’s not just court wins that are getting people off of the registry. It also depends on the facts of your case. For example, if you have sex with a 16 year-old in California, you will be on the registry. But move to Michigan and you’re off of the registry, because the age of consent in Michigan is 16.
Registrants have been moving to other states to get off of the registry as soon as they passed the registry acts. Registrants have even moved to another country to get off of the registry.
You just have to find which states you’re not required to register in. Michigan is the most sweeping but there may be other states where you can get off of the registry.

]]> By: CherokeeJack https://floridaactioncommittee.org/bill-prevents-removal-from-registration-for-those-with-fines-or-fees/comment-page-3/#comment-38151 Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:19:52 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14605#comment-38151 In reply to Al.

$2500.00 for a background check?????
What are you doing, applying for the FBI? Good lord. Do they want a stool sample as well?

]]> By: Bob https://floridaactioncommittee.org/bill-prevents-removal-from-registration-for-those-with-fines-or-fees/comment-page-3/#comment-38150 Tue, 29 Dec 2020 22:15:34 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14605#comment-38150 In reply to Al.

That’s why donating to FAC is so much more worthwhile. They can pool our donations for our cause, which is to abolish these punitive registry laws.

]]> By: Al https://floridaactioncommittee.org/bill-prevents-removal-from-registration-for-those-with-fines-or-fees/comment-page-3/#comment-38149 Tue, 29 Dec 2020 21:38:22 +0000 https://floridaactioncommittee.org/?p=14605#comment-38149 It is all about money. Even when you reach the years required to partition for removal you are not likely to afford the cost. I contacted an attorney and they want $2500.00 up front just to do a background check. That doesn’t include court cost or filing fees. You are basically screwed for life unless you can win the lotto.

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