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	Comments on: UPDATED CALL TO ACTION: Brevard County. Oppose proposed ordinance	</title>
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	<description>Reforming Florida’s Sex Offender Registry Laws</description>
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		By: Capt Charles Munsey Jr. USN Ret		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-7/#comment-34815</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Capt Charles Munsey Jr. USN Ret]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2020 02:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Today I discussed a meeting place for FAC members at the Warbird Museum in Titusville at the airport.  I have known the commander for some time so we had a good talk.  He had nothing good to say about the Brevard County commissioners.  In his opinion their only goal is to move forward their political careers with justice not in the equation. He said a lawsuit is about the only thing that will get their attention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I discussed a meeting place for FAC members at the Warbird Museum in Titusville at the airport.  I have known the commander for some time so we had a good talk.  He had nothing good to say about the Brevard County commissioners.  In his opinion their only goal is to move forward their political careers with justice not in the equation. He said a lawsuit is about the only thing that will get their attention.</p>
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		By: Michael B		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-7/#comment-34814</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2020 22:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-7/#comment-34812&quot;&gt;Frederic K Wenz&lt;/a&gt;.

Does this mean I cannot accept a job if my office will be in the zone?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-7/#comment-34812">Frederic K Wenz</a>.</p>
<p>Does this mean I cannot accept a job if my office will be in the zone?</p>
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		By: RayO		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-6/#comment-34813</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RayO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2020 00:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-6/#comment-34800&quot;&gt;RayO&lt;/a&gt;.

Sadly, the Oaf Tobia won his primary challenge as a Republican.  So, it&#039;s more likely than not that he&#039;ll be re-elected in the general election, since Brevard loves its Republicans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-6/#comment-34800">RayO</a>.</p>
<p>Sadly, the Oaf Tobia won his primary challenge as a Republican.  So, it&#8217;s more likely than not that he&#8217;ll be re-elected in the general election, since Brevard loves its Republicans.</p>
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		By: Frederic K Wenz		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-7/#comment-34812</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederic K Wenz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2020 21:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ANOTHER PROXIMITY LAW/ORDINANCE ATTEMPTING TO CIRCUMVENT AND EXPAND BEYOND THE SCOPE OF LEGISLATORS INTENT

(948.30(1)(b)), &quot;a prohibition on living within 1,000 feet of a school, child care facility, park, playground, or other place where children regularly congregate, as prescribed by the court.

Ok, so it seems a lot of people are missing his 2 objectives here. At least, from what i&#039;ve read and know about political duckery.

This ordinance is nearly identical to the 1,000ft portion part of the statute, except to incorporate private businesses into the fold of enabling police to make arbitrary arrests.

And obviously, he made that clear, this ordinance is to 
“... give law enforcement the ability to arrest...&quot;.

Not Protect anyone, to MAKE ARRESTS.

He merely wants to rearrest law abiding offenders. Though he&#039;d have better luck picking on DWLS offenders, since their recidivisms are much higher than sex offenders.

So its intent, [ HIS Intent ] is not to protect businesses ... NOR even children for that matter... its to:

{Arrest Sex Offenders for merely EXISTING in the vicinity of private businesses... for no more reason then, because}.

And if i&#039;m reading between the lines correctly here, in that he held the meeting where the target subjects cant attend &#038; therefore provide Professional, factual feedback on the matter. IMO, for that it should fail. His intent is malicious, deceitful and when you hide behind invisible boundaries to attack a class of people, every nation in the world calls that man, Cowardly.

In reflection of events, seems all he cares about is being able to say,

&quot;I redundantly expanded on an already existing law to arrest sex offenders for existing near any business&quot;.

Which will literally be all he can say. I couldn&#039;t imagine any moral person with a measure of integrity wanting that attached to their legacy.

Though I speculate he thought long and hard about how to circumvent the existing thousand foot statute so that even more of Brevard County would be inaccessible and uninhabitable to sex offenders. Isn&#039;t it about 70% currently?

His short term goal here, seems to be to increase recidivism rates of sex offenders from less than 1% to  MAYBE  2% in the county, at exorbitant cost of resources to the cities &#038; county, at taxpayer expense.

If passed, It&#039;ll give people a false sense of security ( like the statute ) And this commissioner will BRIEFLY be perceived as &quot;tough on sex offenders&quot;. Which in these times, with statistical data already obliterating the effectiveness of these statutes, just isn&#039;t impressive.

In light of all that is, the ordinance will be as effective as the statute itself ( Just a taxpayer fiscal burden that even law enforcement is sick and tired of dealing with nationwide )

Which is basically a bunch of restrictions that do Nothing but COST TAXPAYERS and was enacted on the very same false premises in 2002/2004 this commissioner affirms in his innocuous statements.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANOTHER PROXIMITY LAW/ORDINANCE ATTEMPTING TO CIRCUMVENT AND EXPAND BEYOND THE SCOPE OF LEGISLATORS INTENT</p>
<p>(948.30(1)(b)), &#8220;a prohibition on living within 1,000 feet of a school, child care facility, park, playground, or other place where children regularly congregate, as prescribed by the court.</p>
<p>Ok, so it seems a lot of people are missing his 2 objectives here. At least, from what i&#8217;ve read and know about political duckery.</p>
<p>This ordinance is nearly identical to the 1,000ft portion part of the statute, except to incorporate private businesses into the fold of enabling police to make arbitrary arrests.</p>
<p>And obviously, he made that clear, this ordinance is to<br />
“&#8230; give law enforcement the ability to arrest&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not Protect anyone, to MAKE ARRESTS.</p>
<p>He merely wants to rearrest law abiding offenders. Though he&#8217;d have better luck picking on DWLS offenders, since their recidivisms are much higher than sex offenders.</p>
<p>So its intent, [ HIS Intent ] is not to protect businesses &#8230; NOR even children for that matter&#8230; its to:</p>
<p>{Arrest Sex Offenders for merely EXISTING in the vicinity of private businesses&#8230; for no more reason then, because}.</p>
<p>And if i&#8217;m reading between the lines correctly here, in that he held the meeting where the target subjects cant attend &amp; therefore provide Professional, factual feedback on the matter. IMO, for that it should fail. His intent is malicious, deceitful and when you hide behind invisible boundaries to attack a class of people, every nation in the world calls that man, Cowardly.</p>
<p>In reflection of events, seems all he cares about is being able to say,</p>
<p>&#8220;I redundantly expanded on an already existing law to arrest sex offenders for existing near any business&#8221;.</p>
<p>Which will literally be all he can say. I couldn&#8217;t imagine any moral person with a measure of integrity wanting that attached to their legacy.</p>
<p>Though I speculate he thought long and hard about how to circumvent the existing thousand foot statute so that even more of Brevard County would be inaccessible and uninhabitable to sex offenders. Isn&#8217;t it about 70% currently?</p>
<p>His short term goal here, seems to be to increase recidivism rates of sex offenders from less than 1% to  MAYBE  2% in the county, at exorbitant cost of resources to the cities &amp; county, at taxpayer expense.</p>
<p>If passed, It&#8217;ll give people a false sense of security ( like the statute ) And this commissioner will BRIEFLY be perceived as &#8220;tough on sex offenders&#8221;. Which in these times, with statistical data already obliterating the effectiveness of these statutes, just isn&#8217;t impressive.</p>
<p>In light of all that is, the ordinance will be as effective as the statute itself ( Just a taxpayer fiscal burden that even law enforcement is sick and tired of dealing with nationwide )</p>
<p>Which is basically a bunch of restrictions that do Nothing but COST TAXPAYERS and was enacted on the very same false premises in 2002/2004 this commissioner affirms in his innocuous statements.</p>
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		By: JZ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34811</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34724&quot;&gt;Pariah.oo1&lt;/a&gt;.

Here&#039;s a good source of information on some of  the Books&#039; indiscretions:

http://ronandlaurenbook.blogspot.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34724">Pariah.oo1</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good source of information on some of  the Books&#8217; indiscretions:</p>
<p><a href="http://ronandlaurenbook.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ronandlaurenbook.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		By: Jacob		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-7/#comment-34810</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Other observations from the commissioners meeting:


Commissioner Tobia got Commissioner Lober to agree to support the proposal, so long as selected offenses were exempt.  The exemptions would be offense-based, not risk based.  


Kind of a political victory for Tobia, as it put Lober in the difficult position of having to pick and choose offenses that would be exempt.


Commissioner Isnardi, in expressing her support for the proposal, indicated she would have gone even further.
Commissioner Tobia showed that he understands the political calculus, put as “the needs of the 60,000 who have chosen not to offend, outweigh the needs of the 847 who HAVE offended,” as if both populations don’t share common interests.
Commissioner Smith was not present?


Overall I observed more enthusiasm here than I observed in Clay County, which voted 5-0 anyway, but trying to remain optimistic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other observations from the commissioners meeting:</p>
<p>Commissioner Tobia got Commissioner Lober to agree to support the proposal, so long as selected offenses were exempt.  The exemptions would be offense-based, not risk based.  </p>
<p>Kind of a political victory for Tobia, as it put Lober in the difficult position of having to pick and choose offenses that would be exempt.</p>
<p>Commissioner Isnardi, in expressing her support for the proposal, indicated she would have gone even further.<br />
Commissioner Tobia showed that he understands the political calculus, put as “the needs of the 60,000 who have chosen not to offend, outweigh the needs of the 847 who HAVE offended,” as if both populations don’t share common interests.<br />
Commissioner Smith was not present?</p>
<p>Overall I observed more enthusiasm here than I observed in Clay County, which voted 5-0 anyway, but trying to remain optimistic.</p>
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		By: Jacob		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-5/#comment-34809</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-5/#comment-34781&quot;&gt;Florida Action Committee&lt;/a&gt;.

Finally watched the spouse speak. Wow was he powerful. Particularly for someone who is a regular citizen and not an elected official. So I must disagree with the poster who found it not well presented.

And Commissioner Tobia’s response to this citizen was so slick that it demonstrates that he probably already KNOWS the facts about registrants, given all the letters and e-mails we’ve sent him, and is simply undeterred by them.  The only thing he DOESN’T know is whether this bill is as politically popular as he assumes it is.  THAT’S where he and one or two of his colleagues need to be educated now.  If they receive an unexpected volume of letters, calls, e-mails, and meeting appearances from people who oppose the measure, then that should be enough to sway at least one vote in what could be a 3-2.  Am I right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-5/#comment-34781">Florida Action Committee</a>.</p>
<p>Finally watched the spouse speak. Wow was he powerful. Particularly for someone who is a regular citizen and not an elected official. So I must disagree with the poster who found it not well presented.</p>
<p>And Commissioner Tobia’s response to this citizen was so slick that it demonstrates that he probably already KNOWS the facts about registrants, given all the letters and e-mails we’ve sent him, and is simply undeterred by them.  The only thing he DOESN’T know is whether this bill is as politically popular as he assumes it is.  THAT’S where he and one or two of his colleagues need to be educated now.  If they receive an unexpected volume of letters, calls, e-mails, and meeting appearances from people who oppose the measure, then that should be enough to sway at least one vote in what could be a 3-2.  Am I right?</p>
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		By: JJJJ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-7/#comment-34808</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJJJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2020 01:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The following may be useful:

Vagrancy is a crime that is frequently regulated by lawmakers despite difficulties that have been encountered in defining it. Vagrancy laws are often drafted in such a way as to encompass ordinarily innocent activity. In one case the Supreme Court struck down an ordinance that prohibited &quot;loafing,&quot; &quot;strolling,&quot; or &quot;wandering around from place to place&quot; because such activity comprises an innocuous part of nearly everyone&#039;s life (Papachristou v. City of Jacksonville, 405 U.S. 156, 92 S. Ct. 839, 31 L. Ed. 2d 110 [1972]). The Court concluded that the ordinance did not provide society with adequate warning as to what type of conduct might be subject to prosecution.

Second, the void for vagueness doctrine curbs the Arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement of criminal statutes. Penal laws must be understood not only by those persons who are required to obey them but by those persons who are charged with the duty of enforcing them. Statutes that do not carefully outline detailed procedures by which police officers may perform an investigation, conduct a search, or make an arrest confer wide discretion upon each officer to act as he or she sees fit. Precisely worded statutes are intended to confine an officer&#039;s activities to the letter of the law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following may be useful:</p>
<p>Vagrancy is a crime that is frequently regulated by lawmakers despite difficulties that have been encountered in defining it. Vagrancy laws are often drafted in such a way as to encompass ordinarily innocent activity. In one case the Supreme Court struck down an ordinance that prohibited &#8220;loafing,&#8221; &#8220;strolling,&#8221; or &#8220;wandering around from place to place&#8221; because such activity comprises an innocuous part of nearly everyone&#8217;s life (Papachristou v. City of Jacksonville, 405 U.S. 156, 92 S. Ct. 839, 31 L. Ed. 2d 110 [1972]). The Court concluded that the ordinance did not provide society with adequate warning as to what type of conduct might be subject to prosecution.</p>
<p>Second, the void for vagueness doctrine curbs the Arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement of criminal statutes. Penal laws must be understood not only by those persons who are required to obey them but by those persons who are charged with the duty of enforcing them. Statutes that do not carefully outline detailed procedures by which police officers may perform an investigation, conduct a search, or make an arrest confer wide discretion upon each officer to act as he or she sees fit. Precisely worded statutes are intended to confine an officer&#8217;s activities to the letter of the law.</p>
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		By: Capt Charles Munsey Jr. USN Ret		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-6/#comment-34807</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Capt Charles Munsey Jr. USN Ret]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-6/#comment-34806&quot;&gt;Media&lt;/a&gt;.

When &#039;punishment&#039; is doled out with no fact or truth to back it up, we can see what we get.  Politicians will &#039;hitch their wagon&#039; to any agenda that they can get an uneducated electorate to believe.  We must be patient and let our every action prove these &#039;vote bating efforts&#039; to be nothing but the lies that they are.  In life, there are times of high pressure or low pressure...but there are never times of no pressure.  Our choices during these changing times tell a lot about us.  We must live our lives so that when it is time for a politician &#039;put up&#039; all he/she can do is shut up.  Patience will win out over a politician&#039;s pursuit of power and dominance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-6/#comment-34806">Media</a>.</p>
<p>When &#8216;punishment&#8217; is doled out with no fact or truth to back it up, we can see what we get.  Politicians will &#8216;hitch their wagon&#8217; to any agenda that they can get an uneducated electorate to believe.  We must be patient and let our every action prove these &#8216;vote bating efforts&#8217; to be nothing but the lies that they are.  In life, there are times of high pressure or low pressure&#8230;but there are never times of no pressure.  Our choices during these changing times tell a lot about us.  We must live our lives so that when it is time for a politician &#8216;put up&#8217; all he/she can do is shut up.  Patience will win out over a politician&#8217;s pursuit of power and dominance.</p>
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		By: Media		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-6/#comment-34806</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Media]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2020 20:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-6/#comment-34801&quot;&gt;Donna&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, they are using registrants as a stepping stone for higher political ambitions.  The Clay County commissioner that force my husband and me out of Clay County announced his run for Congress about a month after pushing a sex offense ordinance through our county that was NOT needed.  They seem to all end up in Congress.  Maybe that is why Congress is so dysfunctional today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-brevard-county-2/comment-page-6/#comment-34801">Donna</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, they are using registrants as a stepping stone for higher political ambitions.  The Clay County commissioner that force my husband and me out of Clay County announced his run for Congress about a month after pushing a sex offense ordinance through our county that was NOT needed.  They seem to all end up in Congress.  Maybe that is why Congress is so dysfunctional today.</p>
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