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	Comments on: Changes to sex offense registry cause confusion in Michigan	</title>
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	<description>Reforming Florida’s Sex Offender Registry Laws</description>
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		By: Disgusted in Michigan		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44066</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Disgusted in Michigan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2021 13:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44064&quot;&gt;Gerald&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah.  10 years of fighting in court and we don&#039;t have to provide email addresses and our tier levels are no longer made public, yet I and others are still being retroactively punished by the 2011 amendments changing us from 25 years to life.
Whoopty freaking doo.
My mother is Ukrainian, and I have a lot of family over there.  A permanent vacation is starting to sound really nice right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44064">Gerald</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah.  10 years of fighting in court and we don&#8217;t have to provide email addresses and our tier levels are no longer made public, yet I and others are still being retroactively punished by the 2011 amendments changing us from 25 years to life.<br />
Whoopty freaking doo.<br />
My mother is Ukrainian, and I have a lot of family over there.  A permanent vacation is starting to sound really nice right now.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44065</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2021 13:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44064&quot;&gt;Gerald&lt;/a&gt;.

Gerald
So from reading this, basically everyone still has to register just with some new rules. The court agrees with ex post facto prosecution but NOT the ex post facto application of the registry? UN-freakin-real.

The Michigan case was supposed to be the case of the century for us. But the justices folded and called our bluff. Seems all that was accomplished was for them to say, all your past sins on the registry are forgiven, lets start over fresh on a new registry that is really no better for our safety than before?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44064">Gerald</a>.</p>
<p>Gerald<br />
So from reading this, basically everyone still has to register just with some new rules. The court agrees with ex post facto prosecution but NOT the ex post facto application of the registry? UN-freakin-real.</p>
<p>The Michigan case was supposed to be the case of the century for us. But the justices folded and called our bluff. Seems all that was accomplished was for them to say, all your past sins on the registry are forgiven, lets start over fresh on a new registry that is really no better for our safety than before?</p>
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		By: Gerald		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44064</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2021 03:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44056&quot;&gt;Disgusted in Michigan&lt;/a&gt;.

11/17/21, I finally got a letter from the Michigan State Police about the final decision. The short answer is that we DO have to follow the requirements of the new Michigan SORA law, unfortunately. You can read it here:
https://www.aclumich.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/english_notice_for_registrants.pdf
Also contains other informational links:
https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/SORA_Notification_720161_7.pdf
https://www.aclumich.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/does_betts_info_packet_9.13.2021_final.pdf
https://www.oliverlawgroup.com/michigans-sex-offender-registration-act/
Of course, the ACLU is planning to challenge the new SORA as well, but very little has changed for me. It&#039;s nice that the school exclusion zones were eliminated, but I and others will continue to be treated like lepers by society.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44056">Disgusted in Michigan</a>.</p>
<p>11/17/21, I finally got a letter from the Michigan State Police about the final decision. The short answer is that we DO have to follow the requirements of the new Michigan SORA law, unfortunately. You can read it here:<br />
<a href="https://www.aclumich.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/english_notice_for_registrants.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.aclumich.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/english_notice_for_registrants.pdf</a><br />
Also contains other informational links:<br />
<a href="https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/SORA_Notification_720161_7.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/SORA_Notification_720161_7.pdf</a><br />
<a href="https://www.aclumich.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/does_betts_info_packet_9.13.2021_final.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.aclumich.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/does_betts_info_packet_9.13.2021_final.pdf</a><br />
<a href="https://www.oliverlawgroup.com/michigans-sex-offender-registration-act/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.oliverlawgroup.com/michigans-sex-offender-registration-act/</a><br />
Of course, the ACLU is planning to challenge the new SORA as well, but very little has changed for me. It&#8217;s nice that the school exclusion zones were eliminated, but I and others will continue to be treated like lepers by society.</p>
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		By: Gerald		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44063</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2021 03:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44056&quot;&gt;Disgusted in Michigan&lt;/a&gt;.

I went to my local sheriff to update my Michigan registry info on October first. Didn&#039;t get any definitive instructions on what&#039;s required under the court&#039;s final ruling. I was told that they hope to have better information by my next report month, which is January. As always, registrants AND enforcement people are left mystified by the confusing law and what parts of it will be applied against any particular person. I&#039;m sure that by the time they sort it out, new cases will hit the courts challenging the new law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44056">Disgusted in Michigan</a>.</p>
<p>I went to my local sheriff to update my Michigan registry info on October first. Didn&#8217;t get any definitive instructions on what&#8217;s required under the court&#8217;s final ruling. I was told that they hope to have better information by my next report month, which is January. As always, registrants AND enforcement people are left mystified by the confusing law and what parts of it will be applied against any particular person. I&#8217;m sure that by the time they sort it out, new cases will hit the courts challenging the new law.</p>
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		By: Tim		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-4/#comment-44062</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 19:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-4/#comment-44059&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

Too true my freind]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-4/#comment-44059">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>Too true my freind</p>
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		By: Brandon		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-4/#comment-44061</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 15:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-4/#comment-44060&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

CherokeeJack

Lifetime and death probation for those of us on Florida’s registry.  I never committed a crime in Florida and currently live in another state, but I’ll always be linked to Florida because of the 5 years I lived there and I have no desire to go back.  This is a relationship I don’t want and it’s  worse than having an abusive partner. The day Florida’s monies dry up will be justice served!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-4/#comment-44060">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>CherokeeJack</p>
<p>Lifetime and death probation for those of us on Florida’s registry.  I never committed a crime in Florida and currently live in another state, but I’ll always be linked to Florida because of the 5 years I lived there and I have no desire to go back.  This is a relationship I don’t want and it’s  worse than having an abusive partner. The day Florida’s monies dry up will be justice served!!</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-4/#comment-44060</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 00:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-4/#comment-44054&quot;&gt;Brandon&lt;/a&gt;.

Brandon

Your words
&quot;The registry wasn’t considered punitive or punishment; however the registry and restrictions have gone full insanity.&quot;

My Words

And they are not done adding more restrictions because they can get away with it. I cannot even image what horrible thing they might do to us next. I have seen some registration places requiring us to pay a fee to register. Isn&#039;t that exactly what we had to do on probation? Cops coming to check on us, Probation. Restrictions on what we can do and where we can live? Probation]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-4/#comment-44054">Brandon</a>.</p>
<p>Brandon</p>
<p>Your words<br />
&#8220;The registry wasn’t considered punitive or punishment; however the registry and restrictions have gone full insanity.&#8221;</p>
<p>My Words</p>
<p>And they are not done adding more restrictions because they can get away with it. I cannot even image what horrible thing they might do to us next. I have seen some registration places requiring us to pay a fee to register. Isn&#8217;t that exactly what we had to do on probation? Cops coming to check on us, Probation. Restrictions on what we can do and where we can live? Probation</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-4/#comment-44059</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 00:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-4/#comment-44055&quot;&gt;Tim&lt;/a&gt;.

Tim

My biggest issue is, we have 50 states that have 50 different rules, laws, statues, restrictions etc. One state judge rules the registry is punishment or that it cannot apply to anyone who had pre registry  arrests. Another judge rules nothing related to registry is punishment.

They say this info can be accessed by going down to the court house and looking it up so it is not punishment? Excuse me. Then why not leave it the way it was. Why sentence us to a life time of probation like registration requirements that lead to harassment, pain, depression and on occasion death by violence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-4/#comment-44055">Tim</a>.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
<p>My biggest issue is, we have 50 states that have 50 different rules, laws, statues, restrictions etc. One state judge rules the registry is punishment or that it cannot apply to anyone who had pre registry  arrests. Another judge rules nothing related to registry is punishment.</p>
<p>They say this info can be accessed by going down to the court house and looking it up so it is not punishment? Excuse me. Then why not leave it the way it was. Why sentence us to a life time of probation like registration requirements that lead to harassment, pain, depression and on occasion death by violence.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44058</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 00:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44056&quot;&gt;Disgusted in Michigan&lt;/a&gt;.

Disgusted

It is not a matter if he was telling the truth, it is a matter if he has your back if he was wrong. Many cops will lie to their own Mother if it means saving their career or causes discipline in their files.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44056">Disgusted in Michigan</a>.</p>
<p>Disgusted</p>
<p>It is not a matter if he was telling the truth, it is a matter if he has your back if he was wrong. Many cops will lie to their own Mother if it means saving their career or causes discipline in their files.</p>
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		By: Disgusted in Michigan		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44057</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Disgusted in Michigan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2021 18:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44053&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

Cherokeejack, they would definitely agree then that it is punishment and would be trying everything to get themselves removed.
That&#039;s straight up BS how Florida runs things.  I hear that if you just come visit for a couple days, they put you on their registry.  Remind me  to never to visit Florida.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/changes-to-sex-offense-registry-cause-confusion-in-michigan/comment-page-3/#comment-44053">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>Cherokeejack, they would definitely agree then that it is punishment and would be trying everything to get themselves removed.<br />
That&#8217;s straight up BS how Florida runs things.  I hear that if you just come visit for a couple days, they put you on their registry.  Remind me  to never to visit Florida.</p>
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