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	Comments on: Clements v Florida at SCOTUS	</title>
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	<description>Reforming Florida’s Sex Offender Registry Laws</description>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2023 22:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59279&quot;&gt;Kyle M&lt;/a&gt;.

@Kyle

Well, back to the drawing board?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59279">Kyle M</a>.</p>
<p>@Kyle</p>
<p>Well, back to the drawing board?</p>
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		By: Kyle M		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59279</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2023 16:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59278&quot;&gt;Eugene V. Debs&lt;/a&gt;.

Supreme Court denied the petition today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59278">Eugene V. Debs</a>.</p>
<p>Supreme Court denied the petition today.</p>
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		By: Eugene V. Debs		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59278</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugene V. Debs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2023 13:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With the death of Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Conner the Clements case has been pushed back to the 8th https://certpool.com/dockets/23-107]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the death of Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Conner the Clements case has been pushed back to the 8th <a href="https://certpool.com/dockets/23-107" rel="nofollow ugc">https://certpool.com/dockets/23-107</a></p>
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		By: Eugene V. Debs		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59277</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugene V. Debs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2023 13:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59272&quot;&gt;David<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/269c.png" alt="⚜" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes it seems to be a great law firm. Really loved this part on page 8: 
“Once a federal claim is properly presented,” as is petitioner’s claim that he is in custody, a party before this Court is “not limited to the precise arguments [he] made below.” Hemphill v. New York, 595 U.S. 140, 149 (2022) (quoting Yee v. City of Escondido, 503 U.S. 519, 534 (1992)). Rather, the “traditional rule” is that parties may expand upon and refine their arguments, so long as they are fairly subsumed by the question presented and raised “to support what has been [a] consistent claim” before the lower courts. Lebron v. National R.R. Passenger Corp., 513 U.S. 374, 379 (1995). See also Citizens United v. FEC, 558 U.S. 310, 330 (2010) (applying this rule). There is thus no barrier to the Court considering this point.“ and since his initial argument of “At every level of review, petitioner has argued that he is “in custody” within the meaning of Section 2254, not just because he must appear regularly at the sheriff’s office, but also because of “all the other restrictions that come with being a registered sex of- fender”

So there is still a way to take a look at residency restrictions even tho the 11th said no. So this makes our custody case a lot stronger. Since exclusion zone render you from going to nearby areas. They use the figure 1,000 as the standard state example saying it bars you from 72 acres but in reality very few areas seem to be 1,000 feet any more. It’s more like 450 acres (a square mile is 640) if going by the 2,500 foot line I wish they would have used a more extensive area.

So 7/10th of a square mile is off limits in some jurisdictions, not only should the registry qualify as custody it should be argued that it qualifies as banishment as well.

And it all comes down to are we allowed liberty to do those things which in this country free men are entitled to do” (Jones, 371 U.S. at 243)

and we all know the answer to that question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59272">David⚜️</a>.</p>
<p>Yes it seems to be a great law firm. Really loved this part on page 8:<br />
“Once a federal claim is properly presented,” as is petitioner’s claim that he is in custody, a party before this Court is “not limited to the precise arguments [he] made below.” Hemphill v. New York, 595 U.S. 140, 149 (2022) (quoting Yee v. City of Escondido, 503 U.S. 519, 534 (1992)). Rather, the “traditional rule” is that parties may expand upon and refine their arguments, so long as they are fairly subsumed by the question presented and raised “to support what has been [a] consistent claim” before the lower courts. Lebron v. National R.R. Passenger Corp., 513 U.S. 374, 379 (1995). See also Citizens United v. FEC, 558 U.S. 310, 330 (2010) (applying this rule). There is thus no barrier to the Court considering this point.“ and since his initial argument of “At every level of review, petitioner has argued that he is “in custody” within the meaning of Section 2254, not just because he must appear regularly at the sheriff’s office, but also because of “all the other restrictions that come with being a registered sex of- fender”</p>
<p>So there is still a way to take a look at residency restrictions even tho the 11th said no. So this makes our custody case a lot stronger. Since exclusion zone render you from going to nearby areas. They use the figure 1,000 as the standard state example saying it bars you from 72 acres but in reality very few areas seem to be 1,000 feet any more. It’s more like 450 acres (a square mile is 640) if going by the 2,500 foot line I wish they would have used a more extensive area.</p>
<p>So 7/10th of a square mile is off limits in some jurisdictions, not only should the registry qualify as custody it should be argued that it qualifies as banishment as well.</p>
<p>And it all comes down to are we allowed liberty to do those things which in this country free men are entitled to do” (Jones, 371 U.S. at 243)</p>
<p>and we all know the answer to that question.</p>
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		By: Old Karen		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-2/#comment-59276</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Karen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2023 09:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-2/#comment-59242&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

CJ - I hope you tell them that is not proof the registry works unless the purpose is to punish you. I thought the purpose was to stop sexual offense. If that’s the purpose it’s not working at all.]]></description>
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<p>CJ &#8211; I hope you tell them that is not proof the registry works unless the purpose is to punish you. I thought the purpose was to stop sexual offense. If that’s the purpose it’s not working at all.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59275</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2023 02:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59266&quot;&gt;Facts should matter&lt;/a&gt;.

@Facts
I want the judges and law makers to look into the faces of their relatives who were on the registry and killed in a targeted manner that this is not punishment. Please, please come spend a month with us and see what we go through and then tell us it is not punishment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59266">Facts should matter</a>.</p>
<p>@Facts<br />
I want the judges and law makers to look into the faces of their relatives who were on the registry and killed in a targeted manner that this is not punishment. Please, please come spend a month with us and see what we go through and then tell us it is not punishment.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59274</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2023 02:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59264&quot;&gt;Just Sayin&lt;/a&gt;.

@Just

Thanks for that link]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59264">Just Sayin</a>.</p>
<p>@Just</p>
<p>Thanks for that link</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59273</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2023 02:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59270&quot;&gt;Eugene V. Debs&lt;/a&gt;.

The good news is, every state in the U.S citizens on the registry are going to keep flooding the courts with law suits if it take 100 years to get someone to listen. 
The facts are, no other people not on paper/sanctions are required to comply to 100s of sanctions/laws/rules/ordinances and more. And they not only affect us, but our families, including our children and grandchildren who are not allowed to play with neighbor kids because they get beat up because someone in their household is a registered sex offender. The courts and law makers have that blood on their hands.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59270">Eugene V. Debs</a>.</p>
<p>The good news is, every state in the U.S citizens on the registry are going to keep flooding the courts with law suits if it take 100 years to get someone to listen.<br />
The facts are, no other people not on paper/sanctions are required to comply to 100s of sanctions/laws/rules/ordinances and more. And they not only affect us, but our families, including our children and grandchildren who are not allowed to play with neighbor kids because they get beat up because someone in their household is a registered sex offender. The courts and law makers have that blood on their hands.</p>
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		By: David⚜️		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David⚜️]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2023 21:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59259&quot;&gt;Eugene V. Debs&lt;/a&gt;.

Just read it.  Very good Petitioner&#039;s arguments.  Praying SCOTUS grants cert. <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f64f-1f3fb.png" alt="🙏🏻" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />

(And Wow! &quot;McDermott Will &#038; Emery&quot; - a real powerhouse law firm! No joke! <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f633.png" alt="😳" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59259">Eugene V. Debs</a>.</p>
<p>Just read it.  Very good Petitioner&#8217;s arguments.  Praying SCOTUS grants cert. 🙏🏻</p>
<p>(And Wow! &#8220;McDermott Will &amp; Emery&#8221; &#8211; a real powerhouse law firm! No joke! 😳)</p>
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		By: TS		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59271</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2023 19:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/clements-v-florida-at-scotus/comment-page-3/#comment-59269&quot;&gt;Saddles&lt;/a&gt;.

There never has been true justice in this country because it is subjective.  It is a legal system, not a justice system.  Justice means something different to everyone.]]></description>
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<p>There never has been true justice in this country because it is subjective.  It is a legal system, not a justice system.  Justice means something different to everyone.</p>
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