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		By: P		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2025 12:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-3/#comment-62831&quot;&gt;FAC-3&lt;/a&gt;.

Nicely said]]></description>
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<p>Nicely said</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-4/#comment-62888</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2025 11:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Although I am not Catholic, I saw over night the Pope has passed away. The reason I bring it up, this last Pope that died overnight, seemed to have a bit more compassion for everyone, and many times he visited prisons and washed the feet of the inmates, just like Jesus washed the feet of some in His days on Earth. 
One fun fact about him is he spoke 11 languages, not all of them fluently. 
There are millions of Catholics in the U.S 

Thoughts or comments are welcome]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I am not Catholic, I saw over night the Pope has passed away. The reason I bring it up, this last Pope that died overnight, seemed to have a bit more compassion for everyone, and many times he visited prisons and washed the feet of the inmates, just like Jesus washed the feet of some in His days on Earth.<br />
One fun fact about him is he spoke 11 languages, not all of them fluently.<br />
There are millions of Catholics in the U.S </p>
<p>Thoughts or comments are welcome</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62860</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2025 13:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62853&quot;&gt;Derek W. Logue of OnceFallen.com&lt;/a&gt;.

@Derek

I do not like it either but what can we do? Sadly, some F.A.C members could potentially leave the site over this and that is what the trolls want, to shut F.A.C down. And some that donate on here may no longer want to donate due to the harassment. 
Since I am not a paid member, the only influence I have is making posts and getting the conversations going. Other than on F.A.C, the only other groups I have to talk to about our situation is while sitting in the registration office with a room full of other registered citizens waiting their turn to register. 
Most of them are pretty chill but occasionally a verbal fight will break out between the registrant and the Sheriff&#039;s employee when the registered person has to show off and yell at the clerk, like it was their fault the registrant had to register.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62853">Derek W. Logue of OnceFallen.com</a>.</p>
<p>@Derek</p>
<p>I do not like it either but what can we do? Sadly, some F.A.C members could potentially leave the site over this and that is what the trolls want, to shut F.A.C down. And some that donate on here may no longer want to donate due to the harassment.<br />
Since I am not a paid member, the only influence I have is making posts and getting the conversations going. Other than on F.A.C, the only other groups I have to talk to about our situation is while sitting in the registration office with a room full of other registered citizens waiting their turn to register.<br />
Most of them are pretty chill but occasionally a verbal fight will break out between the registrant and the Sheriff&#8217;s employee when the registered person has to show off and yell at the clerk, like it was their fault the registrant had to register.</p>
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		By: Derek W. Logue of OnceFallen.com		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62853</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek W. Logue of OnceFallen.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2025 09:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62808&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;No one but F.A.C can run me off (If I violated a rule or something) but it does get annoying that a bunch of high school acting people come on here to make us feel worse than we already are.&quot; -- Cherokee Jack

If it was up to me, I&#039;d give the trolls no quarter here. I used to have some fun taking on these weak, pathetic, low IQ scumbags, but after a while it was like replaying an easy game repeatedly that lacked a challenge and it got boring. 

At least in the old days of the Internet, back when there was a debate site called &quot;sexcriminals.com&quot; there was some actual back-and-forth with substance. Those of us who&#039;ve been around a decade or more probably remember the then-infamous &quot;Valigator&quot; (Valerie Parkhurst of Broward County FL). Annoying piece of work she was, but at least she offered more than lame memes and &quot;die-p-word-die&quot; comments. Today&#039;s trolls can&#039;t actually debate or do research; they make Valigator look like a Rhodes Scholar.These trolls don&#039;t have any talking points other than &quot;die-p-word-die&quot;. It is funny to get the rare troll who actually tries to use stats only to see them fall flat on their faces. Most, however, rely on tired memes and buzzwords because they can&#039;t think or write anything on their own. 

I stand by my statement that FAC should delete troll comments. I don&#039;t look at FAC as a &quot;debate me, bro&quot; site. 

PS: I kept my receipts, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62808">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;No one but F.A.C can run me off (If I violated a rule or something) but it does get annoying that a bunch of high school acting people come on here to make us feel worse than we already are.&#8221; &#8212; Cherokee Jack</p>
<p>If it was up to me, I&#8217;d give the trolls no quarter here. I used to have some fun taking on these weak, pathetic, low IQ scumbags, but after a while it was like replaying an easy game repeatedly that lacked a challenge and it got boring. </p>
<p>At least in the old days of the Internet, back when there was a debate site called &#8220;sexcriminals.com&#8221; there was some actual back-and-forth with substance. Those of us who&#8217;ve been around a decade or more probably remember the then-infamous &#8220;Valigator&#8221; (Valerie Parkhurst of Broward County FL). Annoying piece of work she was, but at least she offered more than lame memes and &#8220;die-p-word-die&#8221; comments. Today&#8217;s trolls can&#8217;t actually debate or do research; they make Valigator look like a Rhodes Scholar.These trolls don&#8217;t have any talking points other than &#8220;die-p-word-die&#8221;. It is funny to get the rare troll who actually tries to use stats only to see them fall flat on their faces. Most, however, rely on tired memes and buzzwords because they can&#8217;t think or write anything on their own. </p>
<p>I stand by my statement that FAC should delete troll comments. I don&#8217;t look at FAC as a &#8220;debate me, bro&#8221; site. </p>
<p>PS: I kept my receipts, too.</p>
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		By: Joseph Pratt		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62851</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Pratt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2025 00:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62847&quot;&gt;WS&lt;/a&gt;.

However When a Person Shows Remorse and Repents and They experience Grace and Mercy their Past Does Not Define Them and Their Past Is Not Their Identity Because God Ultimately Forgives that Person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62847">WS</a>.</p>
<p>However When a Person Shows Remorse and Repents and They experience Grace and Mercy their Past Does Not Define Them and Their Past Is Not Their Identity Because God Ultimately Forgives that Person.</p>
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		By: P		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-3/#comment-62850</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2025 20:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-3/#comment-62836&quot;&gt;Megans Law&#039;s John Doe&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the whole registry is short circuited.

It’s a judicial football.     The system just kicks it back and forth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-3/#comment-62836">Megans Law&#8217;s John Doe</a>.</p>
<p>I think the whole registry is short circuited.</p>
<p>It’s a judicial football.     The system just kicks it back and forth.</p>
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		By: FAC-3		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-3/#comment-62849</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FAC-3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2025 15:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-3/#comment-62845&quot;&gt;Megans Law&#039;s John Doe&lt;/a&gt;.

Mr Doe,
The “report” you link to is a &lt;strong&gt;1997&lt;/strong&gt; opinion in a 3rd Circuit case. It predates &lt;strong&gt;2003&lt;/strong&gt;’s Supreme Court of the United States case Smith v Doe. 
We don’t want to come off as argumentative or deflate your beliefs, but we have thousands of readers that visit our forum each month and it’s important that we disseminate good information. 
It appears there is good reason why Attorney Val Jonas didn’t feel your information was useful to her case. 
As always, we want to be open to the productive exchange of information and ideas, but we need to balance that want with a need to prevent the dissemination of misleading information.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-3/#comment-62845">Megans Law&#8217;s John Doe</a>.</p>
<p>Mr Doe,<br />
The “report” you link to is a <strong>1997</strong> opinion in a 3rd Circuit case. It predates <strong>2003</strong>’s Supreme Court of the United States case Smith v Doe.<br />
We don’t want to come off as argumentative or deflate your beliefs, but we have thousands of readers that visit our forum each month and it’s important that we disseminate good information.<br />
It appears there is good reason why Attorney Val Jonas didn’t feel your information was useful to her case.<br />
As always, we want to be open to the productive exchange of information and ideas, but we need to balance that want with a need to prevent the dissemination of misleading information.</p>
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		By: Norman M. Achin, ICAC-UNPACKED! On Youtube		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-3/#comment-62848</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norman M. Achin, ICAC-UNPACKED! On Youtube]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2025 14:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To the person who loves to throw out labels, saying an SO is like that forever. No ifs and or buts..

This is your desire to press a hateful speech against people who don&#039;t have any protection and who may or may not be guilty of what you imagine one to be. 

And no matter how you slice it any which way hate speech is still hate speech. So if you&#039;re overweight or you are autistic or you&#039;re in any way different from another class and you admire or engage in hate speech, just remember it can be directed against you for the very same reasons which amounts to no real reason at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the person who loves to throw out labels, saying an SO is like that forever. No ifs and or buts..</p>
<p>This is your desire to press a hateful speech against people who don&#8217;t have any protection and who may or may not be guilty of what you imagine one to be. </p>
<p>And no matter how you slice it any which way hate speech is still hate speech. So if you&#8217;re overweight or you are autistic or you&#8217;re in any way different from another class and you admire or engage in hate speech, just remember it can be directed against you for the very same reasons which amounts to no real reason at all.</p>
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		By: WS		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62847</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2025 13:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62805&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

Sex offender is always sex offender
 No it&#039;s or but&#039;s]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62805">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>Sex offender is always sex offender<br />
 No it&#8217;s or but&#8217;s</p>
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		By: Megans Law's John Doe		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-3/#comment-62845</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Megans Law's John Doe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2025 03:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-3/#comment-62838&quot;&gt;FAC-3&lt;/a&gt;.

FAC-3 

This is why I see things differently maybe because I&#039;m not only the beginning of actual Megans Law, I was involved in the constitutional challenge rulings of it from the start. Megans Law started on 10/31/1994 in New Jersey ( not Alaska ) found constitutional on July 25th, 1995 ( John Doe v Poritz ) I was granted Due Process under the 14 Amendment because I was being placed on the registry retroactive. Are you suggesting they can strip this judgement away from me using a newer law?  So they can then use this retroactive due process civil judgment that required me to register retroactively but refuse the judgement itself that would become a punishment when made public record? If it was not retroactive I can see a state able to but not this, not an actual Ex Post Facto court ruling. You can hit me with case law but they are all up for a challenge and this can and will prove double jeopardy under US Constitutional Law. I&#039;m not looking to destroy it just fix it.

 Your Megan&#039;s Law (H.R. 2137 ) was introduced into the House 2 days later on July 27th 1995.  Zimmer stripped out Tier Level 1 in name only but kept us on the registry.  He created an amendment for sexually violent offenders calling for a 100% public notification registry and Due Process removed for the states and courts in 1 shot. Making it an all public non punitive non challenge able scheme. This is what he did. He took Level 1 &quot;register only&quot; an placed it into Level 2 which is today&#039;s offender classification. 
You can find this report here C-2 https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-3rd-circuit/1246264.html

New Jersey&#039;s Administrative Office of the Courts reports that, as of May 6, 1996, there were 528 registrants designated as Tier 1;  585 as Tier 2;  and 59 as Tier 3;  or 45 percent, 50 percent, and 5 percent, respectively, of all classified registrants.   According to the county prosecutors, as of May 16, 1996, notification was completed for 135 out of the 644 individuals classified to Tier 2 or Tier 3. Administrative Office information also indicates that of the 117 registrants who pursued their notification challenges to a resolution, 62 had their tier levels affirmed.   Fifty-two challenges resulted in changed tier classifications and 13 resulted in modification of the scope of notification.

Before you say it&#039;s New Jersey, it was Megan&#039;s Law Ex Post Facto stats they had at the time they voted on this Federal Amendment. 644 had some sort of public notification. 528 did not as it was registry only not for public notification. You can&#039;t free a man in one state then put him back in chains because you created a law that allows it. 
Let me show you where and who I am in this. I&#039;m one of the 117 challengers. I&#039;m one of the 52 who&#039;s challenge resulted into a reduced tier classification. I&#039;m not one of the 13 from a Tier 3 to a Tier 2, I&#039;m one of the 39 no state should have made it public record because my 14th Amendment of Due Process I was granted under constitutional law is an actual retroactive civil judgement not for public notification. 

If I was a Tier 2 or 3 I wouldn&#039;t have a leg to stand on. If Congressman Zimmer introduced H.R. 2137 into the House on July 24th and not July 27th I wouldn&#039;t have a leg to stand on to show what he did after it was found constitutional. If I didn&#039;t have a Federal 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals of Megans Law retroactive ruling showing it is a punishment if it was made public record, that is just one step below the Supreme Court of the United States.  You will not ever see another case like this one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-welcomes-trolls-and-vigilantes-with-one-condition/comment-page-3/#comment-62838">FAC-3</a>.</p>
<p>FAC-3 </p>
<p>This is why I see things differently maybe because I&#8217;m not only the beginning of actual Megans Law, I was involved in the constitutional challenge rulings of it from the start. Megans Law started on 10/31/1994 in New Jersey ( not Alaska ) found constitutional on July 25th, 1995 ( John Doe v Poritz ) I was granted Due Process under the 14 Amendment because I was being placed on the registry retroactive. Are you suggesting they can strip this judgement away from me using a newer law?  So they can then use this retroactive due process civil judgment that required me to register retroactively but refuse the judgement itself that would become a punishment when made public record? If it was not retroactive I can see a state able to but not this, not an actual Ex Post Facto court ruling. You can hit me with case law but they are all up for a challenge and this can and will prove double jeopardy under US Constitutional Law. I&#8217;m not looking to destroy it just fix it.</p>
<p> Your Megan&#8217;s Law (H.R. 2137 ) was introduced into the House 2 days later on July 27th 1995.  Zimmer stripped out Tier Level 1 in name only but kept us on the registry.  He created an amendment for sexually violent offenders calling for a 100% public notification registry and Due Process removed for the states and courts in 1 shot. Making it an all public non punitive non challenge able scheme. This is what he did. He took Level 1 &#8220;register only&#8221; an placed it into Level 2 which is today&#8217;s offender classification.<br />
You can find this report here C-2 <a href="https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-3rd-circuit/1246264.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-3rd-circuit/1246264.html</a></p>
<p>New Jersey&#8217;s Administrative Office of the Courts reports that, as of May 6, 1996, there were 528 registrants designated as Tier 1;  585 as Tier 2;  and 59 as Tier 3;  or 45 percent, 50 percent, and 5 percent, respectively, of all classified registrants.   According to the county prosecutors, as of May 16, 1996, notification was completed for 135 out of the 644 individuals classified to Tier 2 or Tier 3. Administrative Office information also indicates that of the 117 registrants who pursued their notification challenges to a resolution, 62 had their tier levels affirmed.   Fifty-two challenges resulted in changed tier classifications and 13 resulted in modification of the scope of notification.</p>
<p>Before you say it&#8217;s New Jersey, it was Megan&#8217;s Law Ex Post Facto stats they had at the time they voted on this Federal Amendment. 644 had some sort of public notification. 528 did not as it was registry only not for public notification. You can&#8217;t free a man in one state then put him back in chains because you created a law that allows it.<br />
Let me show you where and who I am in this. I&#8217;m one of the 117 challengers. I&#8217;m one of the 52 who&#8217;s challenge resulted into a reduced tier classification. I&#8217;m not one of the 13 from a Tier 3 to a Tier 2, I&#8217;m one of the 39 no state should have made it public record because my 14th Amendment of Due Process I was granted under constitutional law is an actual retroactive civil judgement not for public notification. </p>
<p>If I was a Tier 2 or 3 I wouldn&#8217;t have a leg to stand on. If Congressman Zimmer introduced H.R. 2137 into the House on July 24th and not July 27th I wouldn&#8217;t have a leg to stand on to show what he did after it was found constitutional. If I didn&#8217;t have a Federal 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals of Megans Law retroactive ruling showing it is a punishment if it was made public record, that is just one step below the Supreme Court of the United States.  You will not ever see another case like this one.</p>
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