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	Comments on: Florida&#8217;s Senate Bill 560: Renaming the Criminal Punishment Code	</title>
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	<description>Reforming Florida’s Sex Offender Registry Laws</description>
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		By: wihz		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-2/#comment-27483</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wihz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2019 02:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The best thing you can do is NOT to move. That way you stay in one jurisdiction.

In California, SB 384 was signed in 2017 to move to a tiered system as of 2021.

AB 884 is trying to re-tier offenders again. Before SB 384 even took effect lol.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB884

So the tier 1 is a problem to prosecutors because of misdemeanors. That&#039;s because the prosecutors rely on catch-all misdemeanors in &quot;touch&quot; cases. It allows them to save face when a defendent fails to meet felony charges.

Coupled with Marsys law &quot;victim&#039;s rights&quot; protections you can be accused of &quot;touching&quot; what literally amounts to a &quot;phantom&quot;. This is great for when there WAS no crime (or victim) but they don&#039;t want to drop the case.

So basically they can accuse and convict anyone of a sex offense regardless if there even WAS an offense. So might I suggest that &quot;what&#039;s good for the goose, is good for the gander.&quot; Now YOU play the victim and go accuse...I dunno Mister Rodgers.

Or even Abraham Lincoln.

Because it doesn&#039;t matter. When a prosecutor is faced with the impossible they&#039;ll pull the strings to MAKE it possible. They can fake names, they can fake ages, they can fake offenses, they can fake victims, they can fake offenders.

Marsys law grants nearly that same prosecutorial immunity to an accuser. In exchange for &quot;constitutionally guaranteed restitution&quot;.

The whole registration requirement is a manipulation of public safety and other post-incarceration punishments.

They are really just looking between the threads of existing laws to stick another thread and keep burying offenders in a collective blanket.

Thanks Mike Ramos! That&#039;s probably why you got voted out. And why Kamala Harris is NOT going to win.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best thing you can do is NOT to move. That way you stay in one jurisdiction.</p>
<p>In California, SB 384 was signed in 2017 to move to a tiered system as of 2021.</p>
<p>AB 884 is trying to re-tier offenders again. Before SB 384 even took effect lol.</p>
<p><a href="http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB884" rel="nofollow ugc">http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB884</a></p>
<p>So the tier 1 is a problem to prosecutors because of misdemeanors. That&#8217;s because the prosecutors rely on catch-all misdemeanors in &#8220;touch&#8221; cases. It allows them to save face when a defendent fails to meet felony charges.</p>
<p>Coupled with Marsys law &#8220;victim&#8217;s rights&#8221; protections you can be accused of &#8220;touching&#8221; what literally amounts to a &#8220;phantom&#8221;. This is great for when there WAS no crime (or victim) but they don&#8217;t want to drop the case.</p>
<p>So basically they can accuse and convict anyone of a sex offense regardless if there even WAS an offense. So might I suggest that &#8220;what&#8217;s good for the goose, is good for the gander.&#8221; Now YOU play the victim and go accuse&#8230;I dunno Mister Rodgers.</p>
<p>Or even Abraham Lincoln.</p>
<p>Because it doesn&#8217;t matter. When a prosecutor is faced with the impossible they&#8217;ll pull the strings to MAKE it possible. They can fake names, they can fake ages, they can fake offenses, they can fake victims, they can fake offenders.</p>
<p>Marsys law grants nearly that same prosecutorial immunity to an accuser. In exchange for &#8220;constitutionally guaranteed restitution&#8221;.</p>
<p>The whole registration requirement is a manipulation of public safety and other post-incarceration punishments.</p>
<p>They are really just looking between the threads of existing laws to stick another thread and keep burying offenders in a collective blanket.</p>
<p>Thanks Mike Ramos! That&#8217;s probably why you got voted out. And why Kamala Harris is NOT going to win.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-2/#comment-27482</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2019 19:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What would happen if all states in the Union changed the Heading of their Codebook from &#039;Rehabilitation Code&#039; or &#039;Penal Code&#039; to &#039;Public Safety Code?&#039;
It becomes much more difficult to prosecute the General Assembly of violating the Constitution since the wording of such laws no longer include, Punishment, Penal, Correction, etc. since now they are written as being &#039;remedial&#039;.
This has been the tipping point for many judgments against us.
Let&#039;s see it for what it is- an attempt by Florida to avoid prosecution for not only the registry being punishment, but anyone else that would want to sue for &#039;cruel and unusual punishment&#039; for any laws that Florida feel goods to addend in the future.
In other words, &quot;See, we are NOT punishing, we are protecting!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would happen if all states in the Union changed the Heading of their Codebook from &#8216;Rehabilitation Code&#8217; or &#8216;Penal Code&#8217; to &#8216;Public Safety Code?&#8217;<br />
It becomes much more difficult to prosecute the General Assembly of violating the Constitution since the wording of such laws no longer include, Punishment, Penal, Correction, etc. since now they are written as being &#8216;remedial&#8217;.<br />
This has been the tipping point for many judgments against us.<br />
Let&#8217;s see it for what it is- an attempt by Florida to avoid prosecution for not only the registry being punishment, but anyone else that would want to sue for &#8216;cruel and unusual punishment&#8217; for any laws that Florida feel goods to addend in the future.<br />
In other words, &#8220;See, we are NOT punishing, we are protecting!&#8221;</p>
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		By: JZ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-2/#comment-27481</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-2/#comment-27480&quot;&gt;CMC&lt;/a&gt;.

What am I wrong about? Have you read the bill?

http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2020/560/BillText/Filed/HTML]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-2/#comment-27480">CMC</a>.</p>
<p>What am I wrong about? Have you read the bill?</p>
<p><a href="http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2020/560/BillText/Filed/HTML" rel="nofollow ugc">http://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2020/560/BillText/Filed/HTML</a></p>
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		By: CMC		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-2/#comment-27480</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CMC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 04:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-2/#comment-27478&quot;&gt;JZ&lt;/a&gt;.

Wrong. The administration of criminal punishment is very different than that of a remedial public safe concern. Already the line has been blurred between what is Punishment and what is regulatory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-2/#comment-27478">JZ</a>.</p>
<p>Wrong. The administration of criminal punishment is very different than that of a remedial public safe concern. Already the line has been blurred between what is Punishment and what is regulatory.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-2/#comment-27479</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 20:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-2/#comment-27472&quot;&gt;Jacob&lt;/a&gt;.

I was just going to say this. The registry makes up a small portion of this. Why change the name? Florida DOC has zero to do with rehabilitation and they have gotten a lot of bad press lately thanks to cell phones being everywhere in prison. I think this is just a small part of a larger media type move by the state to make it look like they give a hoot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-2/#comment-27472">Jacob</a>.</p>
<p>I was just going to say this. The registry makes up a small portion of this. Why change the name? Florida DOC has zero to do with rehabilitation and they have gotten a lot of bad press lately thanks to cell phones being everywhere in prison. I think this is just a small part of a larger media type move by the state to make it look like they give a hoot.</p>
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		By: JZ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-2/#comment-27478</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 20:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This bill is gaslighting, plain and simple. Nothing but a superficial, politically correct, virtue signalling, renaming so as to appear as &quot;justice reform.&quot; &quot;Look! See? Floriduh is fully engaged in justice reform!&quot;

Nothing changed but the name! I don&#039;t know why they saw fit to include 100+ pages with no changes! Nothing concerning registered citizens (that&#039;s why it&#039;s not in my legislative updates). This is not the bill you&#039;re looking for, you can go about your business, move along ... move along.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bill is gaslighting, plain and simple. Nothing but a superficial, politically correct, virtue signalling, renaming so as to appear as &#8220;justice reform.&#8221; &#8220;Look! See? Floriduh is fully engaged in justice reform!&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing changed but the name! I don&#8217;t know why they saw fit to include 100+ pages with no changes! Nothing concerning registered citizens (that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s not in my legislative updates). This is not the bill you&#8217;re looking for, you can go about your business, move along &#8230; move along.</p>
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		By: JZ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-1/#comment-27477</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 19:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-1/#comment-27473&quot;&gt;Media&lt;/a&gt;.

@SarahF/Jacob,

I believe the bill you speak of was CS/CS/HB987. It was introduced by Grant and Sabatini. While in the Commerce Committee, the asinine 48-hour and notification provisos where added at the behest of Santiago and  Goff-Marcil. Thank God this bill died, because it was on the calendar and about to be voted on.

The Senate companion bill was SB 824. It was introduced by Diaz, but the aforementioned provisos were attempted to be added while the bill was in the Innovation, Industry, and Technology Committee by Farmer. Thankfully, it died in that committee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-1/#comment-27473">Media</a>.</p>
<p>@SarahF/Jacob,</p>
<p>I believe the bill you speak of was CS/CS/HB987. It was introduced by Grant and Sabatini. While in the Commerce Committee, the asinine 48-hour and notification provisos where added at the behest of Santiago and  Goff-Marcil. Thank God this bill died, because it was on the calendar and about to be voted on.</p>
<p>The Senate companion bill was SB 824. It was introduced by Diaz, but the aforementioned provisos were attempted to be added while the bill was in the Innovation, Industry, and Technology Committee by Farmer. Thankfully, it died in that committee.</p>
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		By: Media		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-1/#comment-27476</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Media]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 16:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-1/#comment-27475&quot;&gt;Jacob&lt;/a&gt;.

Quite possibly I am incorrect in giving Brandes credit for such an amendment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-1/#comment-27475">Jacob</a>.</p>
<p>Quite possibly I am incorrect in giving Brandes credit for such an amendment.</p>
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		By: Jacob		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-1/#comment-27475</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-1/#comment-27473&quot;&gt;Media&lt;/a&gt;.

I do not recall Brandes’ name on that awful hotel bill amendment.  I reserve the right to revise my assessment of him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-1/#comment-27473">Media</a>.</p>
<p>I do not recall Brandes’ name on that awful hotel bill amendment.  I reserve the right to revise my assessment of him.</p>
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		By: Ed C		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-1/#comment-27474</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 04:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-1/#comment-27468&quot;&gt;Debbie&lt;/a&gt;.

I suspect you are exactly right.  The Supreme Court has allowed laws such as registration to be applied retroactively because they are not punishment, but serve a legitimate public safety purpose.  Changing the name of the codes will only reinforce that view.  Call me paranoid, but I see the name change as insidious move.

It is important that registries be determined to be a form of punishment.  That opens the door to challenges such as ex post facto and to cruel and unusual punishment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/floridas-senate-bill-560-renaming-the-criminal-punishment-code/comment-page-1/#comment-27468">Debbie</a>.</p>
<p>I suspect you are exactly right.  The Supreme Court has allowed laws such as registration to be applied retroactively because they are not punishment, but serve a legitimate public safety purpose.  Changing the name of the codes will only reinforce that view.  Call me paranoid, but I see the name change as insidious move.</p>
<p>It is important that registries be determined to be a form of punishment.  That opens the door to challenges such as ex post facto and to cruel and unusual punishment.</p>
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