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	Comments on: GA: Supreme Court declares lifetime GPS outside of sentence is unconstitutional.	</title>
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		By: sad		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2019 04:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22040&quot;&gt;NothingToLose?&lt;/a&gt;.

The public would not tolerate it? They would cheer it and prefer castration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22040">NothingToLose?</a>.</p>
<p>The public would not tolerate it? They would cheer it and prefer castration.</p>
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		By: sad		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-2/#comment-22041</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2019 04:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SCOTUS makes no sense! On one hand these laws can be retroactive, but parts of it are punitive? On one hand they uphold civil commitment, but THIS violates the constitution?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCOTUS makes no sense! On one hand these laws can be retroactive, but parts of it are punitive? On one hand they uphold civil commitment, but THIS violates the constitution?</p>
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		By: NothingToLose?		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22040</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NothingToLose?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2019 02:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22036&quot;&gt;Bob&lt;/a&gt;.

I am not a lawyer, but that seems questionable. If the order says that monitoring has to end when supervision ends, then that is that.

Yes, the legislative could change all sex offenses to lifetime, but that would come with a fight even from the general public. The public would not tolerate everyone on the registry being in prison for life, especially as they learn what small infractions can put them or their loved ones on it. You would have much less approval for that than you do for the registry, which already seems to be heading toward a downswing. Yes, we have a prison-industrial complex, but going to prison for life for indecent exposure, or solicitation? Doubt that would be accepted without some serious debate. And, even if it is, it could also be challenged in the judicial. It&#039;s more blatantly cruel and unusual than any other criminal law or sanction I know of, including SORNA.

Also, on the lifetime sentencing possibility, you would have much much much less plea deals being accepted. Nobody is going to plead out to a life sentence, unless maybe they are facing death? And even then, still a toss. This would create a huge burden on the courts, law enforcement, prosecutors, and so on. They don&#039;t want life sentences either. They want to be able to snag quick wins, not long and drawn out trials with burdens of proof and so on.

FAC Legal, if you can do so without risk please chime in with some non-legal-advice opinion.

Anyway, there&#039;s a lot of pessimism about this not being a good enough win, or not really a win because of some hypothetical new legislation. Plain and simple, the judge could have easily ruled against our community if he wanted to, without much repercussion. He ruled in our favor. Just like receiving praise or thanks, accept some good news when you hear it. Lavish it, for today it is a win. Why not have something to feel good about?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22036">Bob</a>.</p>
<p>I am not a lawyer, but that seems questionable. If the order says that monitoring has to end when supervision ends, then that is that.</p>
<p>Yes, the legislative could change all sex offenses to lifetime, but that would come with a fight even from the general public. The public would not tolerate everyone on the registry being in prison for life, especially as they learn what small infractions can put them or their loved ones on it. You would have much less approval for that than you do for the registry, which already seems to be heading toward a downswing. Yes, we have a prison-industrial complex, but going to prison for life for indecent exposure, or solicitation? Doubt that would be accepted without some serious debate. And, even if it is, it could also be challenged in the judicial. It&#8217;s more blatantly cruel and unusual than any other criminal law or sanction I know of, including SORNA.</p>
<p>Also, on the lifetime sentencing possibility, you would have much much much less plea deals being accepted. Nobody is going to plead out to a life sentence, unless maybe they are facing death? And even then, still a toss. This would create a huge burden on the courts, law enforcement, prosecutors, and so on. They don&#8217;t want life sentences either. They want to be able to snag quick wins, not long and drawn out trials with burdens of proof and so on.</p>
<p>FAC Legal, if you can do so without risk please chime in with some non-legal-advice opinion.</p>
<p>Anyway, there&#8217;s a lot of pessimism about this not being a good enough win, or not really a win because of some hypothetical new legislation. Plain and simple, the judge could have easily ruled against our community if he wanted to, without much repercussion. He ruled in our favor. Just like receiving praise or thanks, accept some good news when you hear it. Lavish it, for today it is a win. Why not have something to feel good about?</p>
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		By: Gerald		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22039</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2019 00:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I sure hope that individuals subject to that lifetime requirement here in Michigan eventually succeed in getting that law tossed. Michigan&#039;s Supreme Court intentionally ignores U.S. Supreme Court decisions unless and until an actual Michigan case reaches the higher courts. I had to wear an ankle monitor for 2 years and 3 days while on parole. I can&#039;t imagine what it&#039;s like to have to wear it for life. It malfunctioned several times when I wore it, and the burden was always on me to show that I didn&#039;t tamper with it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope that individuals subject to that lifetime requirement here in Michigan eventually succeed in getting that law tossed. Michigan&#8217;s Supreme Court intentionally ignores U.S. Supreme Court decisions unless and until an actual Michigan case reaches the higher courts. I had to wear an ankle monitor for 2 years and 3 days while on parole. I can&#8217;t imagine what it&#8217;s like to have to wear it for life. It malfunctioned several times when I wore it, and the burden was always on me to show that I didn&#8217;t tamper with it.</p>
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		By: Bob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2019 20:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22032&quot;&gt;Mp&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly!  That&#039;s what I got out of his ruling.  Very unsympathetic and seeming to apologize for his ruling and citing ways to make the laws tougher so they will not be able to be challenged again.  I think this ruling will make things worse for the majority of offenders with lifetime probation for most sex offenses...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22032">Mp</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly!  That&#8217;s what I got out of his ruling.  Very unsympathetic and seeming to apologize for his ruling and citing ways to make the laws tougher so they will not be able to be challenged again.  I think this ruling will make things worse for the majority of offenders with lifetime probation for most sex offenses&#8230;</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2019 20:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22030&quot;&gt;Bob&lt;/a&gt;.

If a state Congress or the U.S. Congress wanted to make any sex offense punishable by lifetime probation or supervised release or whatever jargon, then those legislative bodies have to power to do so.  But the statute at hand does not. And as far as guidelines go, they are only recommended and not actual statutes. We must all fight these issues as they come up in our individual cases and collectively when needed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22030">Bob</a>.</p>
<p>If a state Congress or the U.S. Congress wanted to make any sex offense punishable by lifetime probation or supervised release or whatever jargon, then those legislative bodies have to power to do so.  But the statute at hand does not. And as far as guidelines go, they are only recommended and not actual statutes. We must all fight these issues as they come up in our individual cases and collectively when needed.</p>
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		By: Bob		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22036</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2019 20:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22033&quot;&gt;Dustin&lt;/a&gt;.

Dustin,
I read the entire findings and the judge listed a bunch of offenses where he could see and recommend lifetime GPS.  Does not have to have a lifetime sentence to receive lifetime probation and GPS.  It is really a sad ruling when you read the bias of the judge that ruled on this, simply because it was so obvious that it was unconstitutional that he had no choice but to make this ruling.  He was actually trying to help the legislature pass laws that would institute lifetime GPS so that they would never be able to be challenged as unconstitutional.  He did not seem sympathetic to the cause at all...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22033">Dustin</a>.</p>
<p>Dustin,<br />
I read the entire findings and the judge listed a bunch of offenses where he could see and recommend lifetime GPS.  Does not have to have a lifetime sentence to receive lifetime probation and GPS.  It is really a sad ruling when you read the bias of the judge that ruled on this, simply because it was so obvious that it was unconstitutional that he had no choice but to make this ruling.  He was actually trying to help the legislature pass laws that would institute lifetime GPS so that they would never be able to be challenged as unconstitutional.  He did not seem sympathetic to the cause at all&#8230;</p>
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		By: Dustin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dustin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2019 20:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22028&quot;&gt;Nicholas Maietta&lt;/a&gt;.

@ Nicholas:

Not entirely.  I figure the USCS will eventually (but no time soon) rule that registration stops when sentences are completed, but continues for those on parole or probation.

I actually wonder if states that enacted other notification laws outside the registry did so under the prediction that the registry will sooner or later be held unconstitutional. But it&#039;s really hard to give any legislator credit for that kind of foresight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22028">Nicholas Maietta</a>.</p>
<p>@ Nicholas:</p>
<p>Not entirely.  I figure the USCS will eventually (but no time soon) rule that registration stops when sentences are completed, but continues for those on parole or probation.</p>
<p>I actually wonder if states that enacted other notification laws outside the registry did so under the prediction that the registry will sooner or later be held unconstitutional. But it&#8217;s really hard to give any legislator credit for that kind of foresight.</p>
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		By: Sc		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22034</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2019 20:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22031&quot;&gt;Dustin&lt;/a&gt;.

One more point of interest here,

It&#039;s a shame that Georgia did not reach this decision earlier, as in immediately after SCOTUS declared the very same thing.

Also, to reiterate what you mentioned earlier... That one has to go through so many legal hurdles to have the state go along with legal precedent established in a higher court.

Too much political bullshit for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22031">Dustin</a>.</p>
<p>One more point of interest here,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame that Georgia did not reach this decision earlier, as in immediately after SCOTUS declared the very same thing.</p>
<p>Also, to reiterate what you mentioned earlier&#8230; That one has to go through so many legal hurdles to have the state go along with legal precedent established in a higher court.</p>
<p>Too much political bullshit for me.</p>
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		By: Dustin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dustin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2019 20:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22030&quot;&gt;Bob&lt;/a&gt;.

Bob,

Good point, but pretty sure that lifetime GPS monitoring would only apply to life sentences. This same opinion holds that lifetime GPS can&#039;t be imposed once sentences are completed. Think the only way the state could get around that would be to amend all sex offenses to carry life sentences. Not saying that won&#039;t happen, but seems pretty unlikely. At least in Georgia.

Florida, on the other hand...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ga-supreme-court-declares-lifetime-gps-outside-of-sentence-is-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-22030">Bob</a>.</p>
<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Good point, but pretty sure that lifetime GPS monitoring would only apply to life sentences. This same opinion holds that lifetime GPS can&#8217;t be imposed once sentences are completed. Think the only way the state could get around that would be to amend all sex offenses to carry life sentences. Not saying that won&#8217;t happen, but seems pretty unlikely. At least in Georgia.</p>
<p>Florida, on the other hand&#8230;</p>
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