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	Comments on: GREAT DECISION: Nassau County (FL) SORR violated Ex Post Facto provisions.	</title>
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		By: CMC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CMC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2020 01:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32568&quot;&gt;CMC&lt;/a&gt;.

This argument will be advocated very very very shortly..]]></description>
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<p>This argument will be advocated very very very shortly..</p>
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		By: Tired		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-5/#comment-32581</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tired]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2020 16:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So tell me this I&#039;m from brevard and my charge is from 1991.You mean to tell me that the resident restrictions didn&#039;t apply to me? Because I had to move before because I was to close to a park and if this is true I will take off tomorrow and find me an attorney because of this so please let me know asap]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So tell me this I&#8217;m from brevard and my charge is from 1991.You mean to tell me that the resident restrictions didn&#8217;t apply to me? Because I had to move before because I was to close to a park and if this is true I will take off tomorrow and find me an attorney because of this so please let me know asap</p>
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		By: CMC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CMC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2020 18:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-5/#comment-32578&quot;&gt;JoeM&lt;/a&gt;.

Florida State constitution PROHIBITS the Counties from imposing &quot;PUNISHMENT&quot;. So if a State Court rules that the legislators intended 775.215 to punish, than its out of the Counties purview. On the other hand if a Court finds 775.215 to be remedial than it would not preempt the County meaning the County would be free to extend the range and to regulate in the area as it sees fit.

As the Wright Judge Stated no one has ever challenged whether or not 775.215 was intended to be a Punishment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-5/#comment-32578">JoeM</a>.</p>
<p>Florida State constitution PROHIBITS the Counties from imposing &#8220;PUNISHMENT&#8221;. So if a State Court rules that the legislators intended 775.215 to punish, than its out of the Counties purview. On the other hand if a Court finds 775.215 to be remedial than it would not preempt the County meaning the County would be free to extend the range and to regulate in the area as it sees fit.</p>
<p>As the Wright Judge Stated no one has ever challenged whether or not 775.215 was intended to be a Punishment.</p>
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		By: Florida Action Committee		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32579</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Florida Action Committee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2020 13:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32577&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

Not only that, but they sued us and we won! Got their case dismissed.
Also, not trying to come off as defensive or justify our existence, but think of how many of our members would have lost money to other scams or unscrupulous &quot;legal services&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32577">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>Not only that, but they sued us and we won! Got their case dismissed.<br />
Also, not trying to come off as defensive or justify our existence, but think of how many of our members would have lost money to other scams or unscrupulous &#8220;legal services&#8221;.</p>
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		By: JoeM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JoeM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2020 13:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CMC may be contrary, but they do raise a point that I have asked about for a while. Has anyone in the day County case or any other similar case argued that the state of Florida has, in fact, already declared that prior to October 1, 2004, residency restrictions were classified as punishment? As I have stated a number of times on this board, residency restrictions were, for the first seven years or so, statutorily mandated special conditions of probation a.k.a. punishment. That should solve the problem of anyone convicted during that time. In short order. Then The lawyers could get on to the more difficult task of arguing that you can’t take something that was punishment, extend its application to application to the lifetime of the defendant regardless of the sentencing guidelines for the specific offense, And then wave some kind of legal magic wand over the bill and declare it to no longer be punishment. FS 775.215  Also clearly states that the application of the section applies to those whose offense occurred after October 1, 2004. Yet these cities and counties a ledge and they have been given the authority to apply there enhanced residency restrictions To anyone who moved into a specific location after a date certain with no regard for when the registrant was convicted. Did I miss something? 
With that said, I also must comment on CMC’s remarks about donating. There are times when many of us can’t afford even five dollars much less $5000. I have attempted on several occasions to volunteer to make some kind of “in-kind” contribution as I was an attorney before my offense. I’ve never heard anything back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CMC may be contrary, but they do raise a point that I have asked about for a while. Has anyone in the day County case or any other similar case argued that the state of Florida has, in fact, already declared that prior to October 1, 2004, residency restrictions were classified as punishment? As I have stated a number of times on this board, residency restrictions were, for the first seven years or so, statutorily mandated special conditions of probation a.k.a. punishment. That should solve the problem of anyone convicted during that time. In short order. Then The lawyers could get on to the more difficult task of arguing that you can’t take something that was punishment, extend its application to application to the lifetime of the defendant regardless of the sentencing guidelines for the specific offense, And then wave some kind of legal magic wand over the bill and declare it to no longer be punishment. FS 775.215  Also clearly states that the application of the section applies to those whose offense occurred after October 1, 2004. Yet these cities and counties a ledge and they have been given the authority to apply there enhanced residency restrictions To anyone who moved into a specific location after a date certain with no regard for when the registrant was convicted. Did I miss something?<br />
With that said, I also must comment on CMC’s remarks about donating. There are times when many of us can’t afford even five dollars much less $5000. I have attempted on several occasions to volunteer to make some kind of “in-kind” contribution as I was an attorney before my offense. I’ve never heard anything back.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32577</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2020 13:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32575&quot;&gt;Florida Action Committee&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh to add to your defense F.A.C, were you not crucial in getting ClearMyCase taken down? I may be wrong but I know you brought heat on them. 
That in itself is good enough for me. I was informed enough (as ex law enforcement) to not fall for their scam but many others were desperate and fell for it, losing large sums of money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32575">Florida Action Committee</a>.</p>
<p>Oh to add to your defense F.A.C, were you not crucial in getting ClearMyCase taken down? I may be wrong but I know you brought heat on them.<br />
That in itself is good enough for me. I was informed enough (as ex law enforcement) to not fall for their scam but many others were desperate and fell for it, losing large sums of money.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32576</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2020 13:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32575&quot;&gt;Florida Action Committee&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;For her clients, she successfully appealed probation revocations of sex offenders, including a registrant from under the Causeway who broke curfew due to an emergency hospitalization and was sentenced to 25 years in prison&quot;

WOW. This right here proves how messed up registries are(not that we didn&#039;t already know that). That is more than 90% of us got sentenced to for an &quot;Actual&quot; offense.

So the &quot;non&quot; punitive registry laws are basically a trap to send us all back to prison for life? Yes 25 years for many of people in my age bracket is probably longer than we will live as many of us have health issues. Some of which were caused by being incarcerated. ( I ended up getting hepatitis from bad food and was refused medical help )

Thanks for all you, the volunteers and legal teams do. When a time comes that I have more than $5 in my wallet, I will donate. Scared to death my county will impose registrations fees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32575">Florida Action Committee</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;For her clients, she successfully appealed probation revocations of sex offenders, including a registrant from under the Causeway who broke curfew due to an emergency hospitalization and was sentenced to 25 years in prison&#8221;</p>
<p>WOW. This right here proves how messed up registries are(not that we didn&#8217;t already know that). That is more than 90% of us got sentenced to for an &#8220;Actual&#8221; offense.</p>
<p>So the &#8220;non&#8221; punitive registry laws are basically a trap to send us all back to prison for life? Yes 25 years for many of people in my age bracket is probably longer than we will live as many of us have health issues. Some of which were caused by being incarcerated. ( I ended up getting hepatitis from bad food and was refused medical help )</p>
<p>Thanks for all you, the volunteers and legal teams do. When a time comes that I have more than $5 in my wallet, I will donate. Scared to death my county will impose registrations fees.</p>
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		By: Florida Action Committee		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32575</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Florida Action Committee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2020 12:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32573&quot;&gt;CMC&lt;/a&gt;.

CMC,

Respectfully, you are offensive, but I&#039;ll post your insulting comment so that I can respond.

Let&#039;s see... of the cases we were involved in (in one manner or another), Val was lead attorney in our Internet Identifier case (WHICH WON IN A BIG WAY). She was also lead attorney in City of Ft. Lauderdale v. Anderson and Ford, which had the City of Ft Lauderdale Ordinance declared unconstitutional.

For her clients, she successfully appealed probation revocations of sex offenders, including a registrant from under the Causeway who broke curfew due to an emergency hospitalization and was sentenced to 25 years in prison. She successfully defended a sex offender with intellectual deficits disability in a probation revocation proceeding arising from a failure to register plea. She then persuaded the County that its residency restriction did not apply to him, allowing him to live with his wife, who also suffers cognitive deficits, and her parents. She vacated a failure to register conviction, succeeded in modifying the probation of a sex offender to permit contact visitation with his minor grandchildren. Successfully challenged the GPS-monitoring condition of his probation. Was successful in an ex post facto and substantive due process challenge to the registration statute, on behalf of a sex offender whose predicate offense – lewd and lascivious conduct with a girl two weeks short of her 16th birthday – was incurred twenty years ago. Removed from the Florida registry an out-of-state sex offender whose own state had released him from its registry... among many others.

And what about her performance thus far in the Ex Post Facto Plus case? Are you dissatisfied?!?!?

I&#039;m not sure what you mean by &quot;demanding results&quot;? Is it up to us to dictate to a judge they NEED to decide one way or another? Which plaintiffs, exactly, have embarrassed us in depositions? You are clearly talking out of your ass without any insight or knowledge of what has been going on.

And there are no limits to what we are trying to raise - there are GOALS. Goals to let our members know what it will take to bring a challenge. We also have thermometers on our website so we can show, &lt;em&gt;in complete transparency&lt;/em&gt;, how much has been raised for each challenge. Maybe you don&#039;t appreciate that MOST of our members are unemployed or grossly underemployed because it&#039;s so hard to find employment with this label? For many, a $5 donation means skipping a meal. How about instead of insulting smaller but very meaningful contributions you put your money where your mouth is? As an insider, I was able to confer with membership to see how much you&#039;ve donated and you have no business insulting anybody!

We constantly invite individuals to volunteer and take a role in steering this organization. You&#039;re talking up your qualifications but have you stepped up? No, you have not.

We moderate out many of your comments because they are usually misguided and disrespectful. We will continue to do so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32573">CMC</a>.</p>
<p>CMC,</p>
<p>Respectfully, you are offensive, but I&#8217;ll post your insulting comment so that I can respond.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see&#8230; of the cases we were involved in (in one manner or another), Val was lead attorney in our Internet Identifier case (WHICH WON IN A BIG WAY). She was also lead attorney in City of Ft. Lauderdale v. Anderson and Ford, which had the City of Ft Lauderdale Ordinance declared unconstitutional.</p>
<p>For her clients, she successfully appealed probation revocations of sex offenders, including a registrant from under the Causeway who broke curfew due to an emergency hospitalization and was sentenced to 25 years in prison. She successfully defended a sex offender with intellectual deficits disability in a probation revocation proceeding arising from a failure to register plea. She then persuaded the County that its residency restriction did not apply to him, allowing him to live with his wife, who also suffers cognitive deficits, and her parents. She vacated a failure to register conviction, succeeded in modifying the probation of a sex offender to permit contact visitation with his minor grandchildren. Successfully challenged the GPS-monitoring condition of his probation. Was successful in an ex post facto and substantive due process challenge to the registration statute, on behalf of a sex offender whose predicate offense – lewd and lascivious conduct with a girl two weeks short of her 16th birthday – was incurred twenty years ago. Removed from the Florida registry an out-of-state sex offender whose own state had released him from its registry&#8230; among many others.</p>
<p>And what about her performance thus far in the Ex Post Facto Plus case? Are you dissatisfied?!?!?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8220;demanding results&#8221;? Is it up to us to dictate to a judge they NEED to decide one way or another? Which plaintiffs, exactly, have embarrassed us in depositions? You are clearly talking out of your ass without any insight or knowledge of what has been going on.</p>
<p>And there are no limits to what we are trying to raise &#8211; there are GOALS. Goals to let our members know what it will take to bring a challenge. We also have thermometers on our website so we can show, <em>in complete transparency</em>, how much has been raised for each challenge. Maybe you don&#8217;t appreciate that MOST of our members are unemployed or grossly underemployed because it&#8217;s so hard to find employment with this label? For many, a $5 donation means skipping a meal. How about instead of insulting smaller but very meaningful contributions you put your money where your mouth is? As an insider, I was able to confer with membership to see how much you&#8217;ve donated and you have no business insulting anybody!</p>
<p>We constantly invite individuals to volunteer and take a role in steering this organization. You&#8217;re talking up your qualifications but have you stepped up? No, you have not.</p>
<p>We moderate out many of your comments because they are usually misguided and disrespectful. We will continue to do so.</p>
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		By: Jacob		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32574</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2020 12:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32573&quot;&gt;CMC&lt;/a&gt;.

It’s true that we need to donate more to FAC’s legal challenges.  And that our war chest is modest.  I would not want to pay someone to prepare financial statements on such a modest amount.  FAC legal challenge funds are spent on court transcripts, filing fees, and expert witness fees.

I am grateful for the FAC internet challenge— without it, using the internet would be burdensome to impossible for Florida residents. Has Val Jonas ever lost a case for us?  If so, what was  her mistake?

But you can’t just “demand results” from the courts.  It doesn’t work that way.  Nor can we demand an attorney to promise results.  They’d lose their law license.  All we can do is choose the best attorneys to make the best arguments, at their own risk.  Have you seen the complaint filed in our ex post facto plus challenge, Does v Swearingen?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32573">CMC</a>.</p>
<p>It’s true that we need to donate more to FAC’s legal challenges.  And that our war chest is modest.  I would not want to pay someone to prepare financial statements on such a modest amount.  FAC legal challenge funds are spent on court transcripts, filing fees, and expert witness fees.</p>
<p>I am grateful for the FAC internet challenge— without it, using the internet would be burdensome to impossible for Florida residents. Has Val Jonas ever lost a case for us?  If so, what was  her mistake?</p>
<p>But you can’t just “demand results” from the courts.  It doesn’t work that way.  Nor can we demand an attorney to promise results.  They’d lose their law license.  All we can do is choose the best attorneys to make the best arguments, at their own risk.  Have you seen the complaint filed in our ex post facto plus challenge, Does v Swearingen?</p>
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		By: CMC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CMC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2020 01:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/great-decision-nassau-county-fl-sorr-violated-ex-post-facto-provisions/comment-page-4/#comment-32571&quot;&gt;Florida Action Committee&lt;/a&gt;.

Refusing once again to post my rebuttal to your crap comment? Name one case in the last 10 years that Val Jonas has prevailed.

Maybe one the internet identification case?

Correct me if I’m wrong. I believe it’s time for FAC to shake things, demand results, screen plaintiffs so not to embarrass us in depositions.

Rather than raise donations for this case or that limits why not just create a legal fund without limits.

Build a war chest. Solicit funding from every dues paying member. 5 bucks here 50 there $5,000 here.

Be transparent Provide annual or quarterly financial statements to members. I like to know how my investments are preforming.

Your a Not for Profit organization by including membership with voting rights we can be an association. We can become a power to be reckoned with to be feared.

Money = Power. It pays for lobbyists and attorneys which is much better than posting comments in the comment section.

I’m no schlep being secretary &#038; treasurer of one of the largest Not for Profit taxi association in Miami I lived in court and worked very well with our legal teams.

Anyway someone once said “Bring on”....Let’s.]]></description>
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<p>Refusing once again to post my rebuttal to your crap comment? Name one case in the last 10 years that Val Jonas has prevailed.</p>
<p>Maybe one the internet identification case?</p>
<p>Correct me if I’m wrong. I believe it’s time for FAC to shake things, demand results, screen plaintiffs so not to embarrass us in depositions.</p>
<p>Rather than raise donations for this case or that limits why not just create a legal fund without limits.</p>
<p>Build a war chest. Solicit funding from every dues paying member. 5 bucks here 50 there $5,000 here.</p>
<p>Be transparent Provide annual or quarterly financial statements to members. I like to know how my investments are preforming.</p>
<p>Your a Not for Profit organization by including membership with voting rights we can be an association. We can become a power to be reckoned with to be feared.</p>
<p>Money = Power. It pays for lobbyists and attorneys which is much better than posting comments in the comment section.</p>
<p>I’m no schlep being secretary &amp; treasurer of one of the largest Not for Profit taxi association in Miami I lived in court and worked very well with our legal teams.</p>
<p>Anyway someone once said “Bring on”&#8230;.Let’s.</p>
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