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		By: fac-admin		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2051</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fac-admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2048&quot;&gt;violafury&lt;/a&gt;.

EXACTLY!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2048">violafury</a>.</p>
<p>EXACTLY!!!!</p>
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		By: fac-admin		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2050</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fac-admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2049&quot;&gt;violafury&lt;/a&gt;.

You highlight a VERY important point and one that we&#039;ve been making for a long time... In a state with ELECTED judges; our judges are politicians. If they make an unpopular decision they see 100K votes going out the door. Who will do that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2049">violafury</a>.</p>
<p>You highlight a VERY important point and one that we&#8217;ve been making for a long time&#8230; In a state with ELECTED judges; our judges are politicians. If they make an unpopular decision they see 100K votes going out the door. Who will do that?</p>
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		By: violafury		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2049</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[violafury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2015 23:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2043&quot;&gt;Charles Munsey Jr&lt;/a&gt;.

Charles, but it&#039;s very nature, Statute 777.201(1) and 777.201(2) stack the deck against the &quot;defendant&quot;. It reads as follows:

“A law enforcement officer, a person engaged in cooperation with a law enforcement officer, or a person acting as an agent of a law enforcement officer perpetrates an entrapment if, for the purpose of obtaining evidence of the commission of a crime, he or she induces or encourages and, as a direct result, causes another person to engage in conduct constituting such crime by employing methods of persuasion or inducement which create a substantial risk that such crime will be committed by a person other than one who is ready to commit it.&quot;
The above paragraph is language taken directly from Florida Statutes 777.201 (1) which describes entrapment. What clearly takes place in these &quot;stings&quot; is entrapment and entrapment is a defense to a crime F.S. 777.201 (2)&quot;A person prosecuted for a crime shall be acquitted if the person proves by a preponderance of the evidence that his or her criminal conduct occurred as a result of an entrapment. The issue of entrapment shall be tried by the trier of fact.”

The problem here is that the &quot;issue of entrapment&quot; shall be tried by the &quot;trier of the fact&quot;, i. e. the judge adjudicating. Therefore, what judge is going to backtrack on a verdict, when he is worried about his constituency, since he or she is elected, and not appointed.

The fact is this needs to be addressed on two fronts: 1) Educating the computer-using public and I mean EVERYONE in &quot;safe computing&quot;. If the conversation doesn&#039;t sit well with the individual, the person who is the target should IMMEDIATELY contact their local law enforcement and tell them that they believe there is a minor in whatever &quot;adults only&quot; chat room the incident is occurring. The individual can also just say, &quot;I think you&#039;re a cop, trying to entrap me, and I&#039;m ending this conversation NOW!&quot; But the word needs to be gotten out. Number 2) ALL of these laws need to be challenged on a Constitutional level, and if possible need to be addressed, much in the way the Miranda Act (Miranda v. Arizona 1966) and CHANGED so that the onus is put back on the law enforcement agencies. This is not only unfair, it&#039;s horrible police work. Time and money could be spent in much more fruitful ways, and just depending on a &quot;nice&quot; sheriff&#039;s department, such as HCSO is not enough, when Polk County has a rabid dog as Sheriff and his whole reason for being seems to be running these police &quot;stings&quot;.

In ending this, entrapment is one of the most egregious acts that can be committed against local citizenry, short of denying Writ of Habeas Corpus (where a law enforcer is REQUIRED to literally, &quot;produce the body&quot;:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2043">Charles Munsey Jr</a>.</p>
<p>Charles, but it&#8217;s very nature, Statute 777.201(1) and 777.201(2) stack the deck against the &#8220;defendant&#8221;. It reads as follows:</p>
<p>“A law enforcement officer, a person engaged in cooperation with a law enforcement officer, or a person acting as an agent of a law enforcement officer perpetrates an entrapment if, for the purpose of obtaining evidence of the commission of a crime, he or she induces or encourages and, as a direct result, causes another person to engage in conduct constituting such crime by employing methods of persuasion or inducement which create a substantial risk that such crime will be committed by a person other than one who is ready to commit it.&#8221;<br />
The above paragraph is language taken directly from Florida Statutes 777.201 (1) which describes entrapment. What clearly takes place in these &#8220;stings&#8221; is entrapment and entrapment is a defense to a crime F.S. 777.201 (2)&#8221;A person prosecuted for a crime shall be acquitted if the person proves by a preponderance of the evidence that his or her criminal conduct occurred as a result of an entrapment. The issue of entrapment shall be tried by the trier of fact.”</p>
<p>The problem here is that the &#8220;issue of entrapment&#8221; shall be tried by the &#8220;trier of the fact&#8221;, i. e. the judge adjudicating. Therefore, what judge is going to backtrack on a verdict, when he is worried about his constituency, since he or she is elected, and not appointed.</p>
<p>The fact is this needs to be addressed on two fronts: 1) Educating the computer-using public and I mean EVERYONE in &#8220;safe computing&#8221;. If the conversation doesn&#8217;t sit well with the individual, the person who is the target should IMMEDIATELY contact their local law enforcement and tell them that they believe there is a minor in whatever &#8220;adults only&#8221; chat room the incident is occurring. The individual can also just say, &#8220;I think you&#8217;re a cop, trying to entrap me, and I&#8217;m ending this conversation NOW!&#8221; But the word needs to be gotten out. Number 2) ALL of these laws need to be challenged on a Constitutional level, and if possible need to be addressed, much in the way the Miranda Act (Miranda v. Arizona 1966) and CHANGED so that the onus is put back on the law enforcement agencies. This is not only unfair, it&#8217;s horrible police work. Time and money could be spent in much more fruitful ways, and just depending on a &#8220;nice&#8221; sheriff&#8217;s department, such as HCSO is not enough, when Polk County has a rabid dog as Sheriff and his whole reason for being seems to be running these police &#8220;stings&#8221;.</p>
<p>In ending this, entrapment is one of the most egregious acts that can be committed against local citizenry, short of denying Writ of Habeas Corpus (where a law enforcer is REQUIRED to literally, &#8220;produce the body&#8221;:)</p>
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		By: violafury		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2048</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[violafury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2015 22:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let me see if I understand this correctly. According to Florida Statute 777.201(1) and (2), even though an adult is on an adult - no one under 18 allowed - website and is picked up in a &quot;sting&quot;, and it is shown, by the undercover officer&#039;s language that the officer was the initiator, AND, even if the adult backs off, suspecting that he or she is not talking with someone who is NOT a minor, that individual can still be prosecuted, but under the law must show (through discovery?) that the conversation was in fact not initiated by the individual. If so, what is the individual to do? Don&#039;t we need to make this one of our priorities, not just for our s. o.s, but the PUBLIC in general, on the usage of &quot;safe computing&quot;? To go along with this, shouldn&#039;t law enforcement agencies be responsible for their verbiage and in what constitutes &quot;proper&quot; usage? I agree this is a huge waste of time and money, but, I also feel, that with the encroachments upon innocent people and the lack of regard for any Constitutional rights, that there needs to be a push for a &quot;Miranda v. Arizona 1966&quot; statute, to mitigate these injustices.

We cannot rely on - obviously - local law enforcement to do the proper thing. While the HCSO may understand this and put their efforts and money to hunting down true predators, we still have to deal with people like the Polk County Sheriff.

I should also note that there is a swing, albeit, a slight one in the pendulum. I see that Sheriff Joe Arpaio may have cost his county millions of dollars and although he thinks he&#039;s running for re-election, his actions are coming under heavy scrutiny.

One more note. I understand that our Florida judges are elected, but they must be held to the same scrutiny as other public officials. When judges begin to make bad calls because it will hurt them with their electorate, it may be time to look at judicial appointees, who have to be vetted and go through a process similar to that on the Federal level.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me see if I understand this correctly. According to Florida Statute 777.201(1) and (2), even though an adult is on an adult &#8211; no one under 18 allowed &#8211; website and is picked up in a &#8220;sting&#8221;, and it is shown, by the undercover officer&#8217;s language that the officer was the initiator, AND, even if the adult backs off, suspecting that he or she is not talking with someone who is NOT a minor, that individual can still be prosecuted, but under the law must show (through discovery?) that the conversation was in fact not initiated by the individual. If so, what is the individual to do? Don&#8217;t we need to make this one of our priorities, not just for our s. o.s, but the PUBLIC in general, on the usage of &#8220;safe computing&#8221;? To go along with this, shouldn&#8217;t law enforcement agencies be responsible for their verbiage and in what constitutes &#8220;proper&#8221; usage? I agree this is a huge waste of time and money, but, I also feel, that with the encroachments upon innocent people and the lack of regard for any Constitutional rights, that there needs to be a push for a &#8220;Miranda v. Arizona 1966&#8221; statute, to mitigate these injustices.</p>
<p>We cannot rely on &#8211; obviously &#8211; local law enforcement to do the proper thing. While the HCSO may understand this and put their efforts and money to hunting down true predators, we still have to deal with people like the Polk County Sheriff.</p>
<p>I should also note that there is a swing, albeit, a slight one in the pendulum. I see that Sheriff Joe Arpaio may have cost his county millions of dollars and although he thinks he&#8217;s running for re-election, his actions are coming under heavy scrutiny.</p>
<p>One more note. I understand that our Florida judges are elected, but they must be held to the same scrutiny as other public officials. When judges begin to make bad calls because it will hurt them with their electorate, it may be time to look at judicial appointees, who have to be vetted and go through a process similar to that on the Federal level.</p>
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		By: fac-admin		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2047</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fac-admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2046&quot;&gt;Val&lt;/a&gt;.

Agreed - it&#039;s all over the state.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2046">Val</a>.</p>
<p>Agreed &#8211; it&#8217;s all over the state.</p>
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		By: Val		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2046</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Val]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why only Central Florida Sex Stings? There are many that have happened in the Panhandle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why only Central Florida Sex Stings? There are many that have happened in the Panhandle.</p>
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		By: JR		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2045</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For those reading the above who have never been through this (I have) every letter of the above is true. My evidence in my case shows that although I communicated with the detectives (read: police who  posted an ad on an adult site looking for sex) I also said numerous times I was not interested in the minor.

I was offered 10 years in prison! I had a 3 year old son, a career, a marriage (albiet troubled) and a good life. How can one get out of that?

These stings are not law enforcement... They are law MANIPULATION.

This is the criminalization of U.S. citizens who needed help. We needed counseling, we needed support. What we got was taken advantage of. No one was saved. No child was protected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those reading the above who have never been through this (I have) every letter of the above is true. My evidence in my case shows that although I communicated with the detectives (read: police who  posted an ad on an adult site looking for sex) I also said numerous times I was not interested in the minor.</p>
<p>I was offered 10 years in prison! I had a 3 year old son, a career, a marriage (albiet troubled) and a good life. How can one get out of that?</p>
<p>These stings are not law enforcement&#8230; They are law MANIPULATION.</p>
<p>This is the criminalization of U.S. citizens who needed help. We needed counseling, we needed support. What we got was taken advantage of. No one was saved. No child was protected.</p>
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		By: Randy		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2044</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 19:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[there was a story out of Sanford on the news 3 days ago where an adult man used an app called grinder to meet another man at a park and during the interview with tv station the man said he thought he was talking to an adult as the profile said he was 19 or 21  i forget what was said and the picture that was used showed tatoo&#039;s sometime after they chated for a while they agreed to meet at a park and while the gut that was arrest was driving to the park he received a msg. that the other guy was 14. the gentelman that was arrested thought it was a typo or something as the profile showed a person with a tatoo and age listed in profile was over the age of concent. If that is not clearly bait and switch and entrapment i don&#039;t know what is]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there was a story out of Sanford on the news 3 days ago where an adult man used an app called grinder to meet another man at a park and during the interview with tv station the man said he thought he was talking to an adult as the profile said he was 19 or 21  i forget what was said and the picture that was used showed tatoo&#8217;s sometime after they chated for a while they agreed to meet at a park and while the gut that was arrest was driving to the park he received a msg. that the other guy was 14. the gentelman that was arrested thought it was a typo or something as the profile showed a person with a tatoo and age listed in profile was over the age of concent. If that is not clearly bait and switch and entrapment i don&#8217;t know what is</p>
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		By: Charles Munsey Jr		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/how-law-enforcement-gets-away-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2043</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Munsey Jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2015 18:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These law enforcement actions used to be called entrapment...an illegal act.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These law enforcement actions used to be called entrapment&#8230;an illegal act.</p>
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