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	Comments on: IN: Victory&#8230; People not required to register just because they move to Indiana.	</title>
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		By: JZ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2021 19:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yet another narrow &quot;victory&quot; that only benefits the SIX litigants:

https://narsol.org/2021/01/seventh-circuit-orders-names-of-six-indiana-registrants-removed-from-registry/

Re-scratch Indiana from my exodus plan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another narrow &#8220;victory&#8221; that only benefits the SIX litigants:</p>
<p><a href="https://narsol.org/2021/01/seventh-circuit-orders-names-of-six-indiana-registrants-removed-from-registry/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://narsol.org/2021/01/seventh-circuit-orders-names-of-six-indiana-registrants-removed-from-registry/</a></p>
<p>Re-scratch Indiana from my exodus plan.</p>
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		By: Detroit		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38243</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Detroit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2021 06:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Indiana Supreme Court&#039;s ruling in Wallace was pretty encouraging, however, courts have narrowed Wallace, including in Jensen issued on the same day as Wallace.  Before moving to Indiana read Jensen v State, 905 NE2d 384 (2009); Healey v State, 969 NE2d 607 (2012); Lemmon v Harris, 949 NE2d 803 (2011); Vickery v State, 932 NE2d 678 (2010) and State v Kirby, 120 NE2d 574 (2019).
Wallace and Hope look encouraging but Indiana has backpedeled from Wallace significantly.  While Hope states that out of state registrants must be treated the same as instate registrants, you will find that instate registrants are having few victories.
Do your home work before you move to another state.  A temporary move may be advisable so you can return if your new state doesn&#039;t pan out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Indiana Supreme Court&#8217;s ruling in Wallace was pretty encouraging, however, courts have narrowed Wallace, including in Jensen issued on the same day as Wallace.  Before moving to Indiana read Jensen v State, 905 NE2d 384 (2009); Healey v State, 969 NE2d 607 (2012); Lemmon v Harris, 949 NE2d 803 (2011); Vickery v State, 932 NE2d 678 (2010) and State v Kirby, 120 NE2d 574 (2019).<br />
Wallace and Hope look encouraging but Indiana has backpedeled from Wallace significantly.  While Hope states that out of state registrants must be treated the same as instate registrants, you will find that instate registrants are having few victories.<br />
Do your home work before you move to another state.  A temporary move may be advisable so you can return if your new state doesn&#8217;t pan out.</p>
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		By: AJ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38242</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2021 03:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38233&quot;&gt;David&lt;/a&gt;.

A perhaps more suitable case showing a competing outcome is Doe v. Jindal (E.E. La. 2015): https://mitchellhamline.edu/sex-offense-litigation-policy/wp-content/uploads/sites/61/2019/04/Trial-Court-Opinion-1.pdf

In this suit, the Court took the exact opposite position on Saenz v. Roe&#039;s application here.  What I find interesting is the Opinion says out-of-state offenders are &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; similarly situated because the offenses happened in different states.  And yet somehow the state claims that same offense is similar to whatever offense in its list and compels registration.  So it&#039;s not the same when the offender sues, but it is the same when the state wants to throw a smackdown?  uhhh....not ok.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38233">David</a>.</p>
<p>A perhaps more suitable case showing a competing outcome is Doe v. Jindal (E.E. La. 2015): <a href="https://mitchellhamline.edu/sex-offense-litigation-policy/wp-content/uploads/sites/61/2019/04/Trial-Court-Opinion-1.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://mitchellhamline.edu/sex-offense-litigation-policy/wp-content/uploads/sites/61/2019/04/Trial-Court-Opinion-1.pdf</a></p>
<p>In this suit, the Court took the exact opposite position on Saenz v. Roe&#8217;s application here.  What I find interesting is the Opinion says out-of-state offenders are <em>never</em> similarly situated because the offenses happened in different states.  And yet somehow the state claims that same offense is similar to whatever offense in its list and compels registration.  So it&#8217;s not the same when the offender sues, but it is the same when the state wants to throw a smackdown?  uhhh&#8230;.not ok.</p>
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		By: AJ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38241</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2021 22:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38233&quot;&gt;David&lt;/a&gt;.

The case you cite isn’t wholly settled. What the WASC said is that it’s not an unconstitutional delegation to AZ. It then remanded the case back to the lower court to consider the further claims of, “ex post facto, double jeopardy, and equal protection,” violations. It’s the last one, equal protection, that this IN case addresses. This WA case may end up falling the same way as the IN case. The plaintiff should certainly raise the claim that he’s being treated differently than a native, non-traveling, citizen would be. That is the crux of the case(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38233">David</a>.</p>
<p>The case you cite isn’t wholly settled. What the WASC said is that it’s not an unconstitutional delegation to AZ. It then remanded the case back to the lower court to consider the further claims of, “ex post facto, double jeopardy, and equal protection,” violations. It’s the last one, equal protection, that this IN case addresses. This WA case may end up falling the same way as the IN case. The plaintiff should certainly raise the claim that he’s being treated differently than a native, non-traveling, citizen would be. That is the crux of the case(</p>
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		By: AJ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38240</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2021 22:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38230&quot;&gt;Hopeful&lt;/a&gt;.

From my reading of this case, it shouldn&#039;t matter what the previous state imposes.  From my understanding, IN must assess you based on if your crime had happened in IN.  Note that there is a dividing line for offenders before and after the 2006 SORA amendment in IN, so if convicted after that date, you may not have the same protections.  That said, if your FL crime only requires 15 years in IN and you&#039;re 16 years down the road, IN should be prohibited from forcing you to register.  As the Opinion says, &quot;[t]he other jurisdiction requirement of Indiana’s SORA imposes a duty to register and its attendant burdens upon a relocating citizen that it would not impose upon a lifelong Indiana resident. The Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits this differential treatment.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38230">Hopeful</a>.</p>
<p>From my reading of this case, it shouldn&#8217;t matter what the previous state imposes.  From my understanding, IN must assess you based on if your crime had happened in IN.  Note that there is a dividing line for offenders before and after the 2006 SORA amendment in IN, so if convicted after that date, you may not have the same protections.  That said, if your FL crime only requires 15 years in IN and you&#8217;re 16 years down the road, IN should be prohibited from forcing you to register.  As the Opinion says, &#8220;[t]he other jurisdiction requirement of Indiana’s SORA imposes a duty to register and its attendant burdens upon a relocating citizen that it would not impose upon a lifelong Indiana resident. The Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits this differential treatment.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AJ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38239</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2021 21:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38235&quot;&gt;RM&lt;/a&gt;.

I fully agree, RM.  In fact, I have long stated that the &quot;other jurisdiction&quot; parts of SORAs violate the 14th/Freedom of Travel Clause.  The specific instance of which I&#039;m aware (though not subject to) is in Minnesota.  Minnesota uses the greater of its terms or the terms of the state from whence the migrant came.  That is 100% discriminating between natives and migrants, not to mention against those migrants.  Though only persuasive outside the 7th&#039;s turf (IN, IL, WI), I foresee this case as a solid arrow in the quiver for challenging these types of provisions everywhere.

A twist on this type of deal is the state where I live only counts the time &lt;em&gt;while a resident of the State&lt;/em&gt; towards satisfying the number of years registered.  In other words, the registration period starts from the time residency is established, NOT from when the crime took place.  They also do not give &quot;credit&quot; if one leaves and comes back.  Any time spent as a non-resident tolls the clock on registration.  Blatantly unconstitutional, IMO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38235">RM</a>.</p>
<p>I fully agree, RM.  In fact, I have long stated that the &#8220;other jurisdiction&#8221; parts of SORAs violate the 14th/Freedom of Travel Clause.  The specific instance of which I&#8217;m aware (though not subject to) is in Minnesota.  Minnesota uses the greater of its terms or the terms of the state from whence the migrant came.  That is 100% discriminating between natives and migrants, not to mention against those migrants.  Though only persuasive outside the 7th&#8217;s turf (IN, IL, WI), I foresee this case as a solid arrow in the quiver for challenging these types of provisions everywhere.</p>
<p>A twist on this type of deal is the state where I live only counts the time <em>while a resident of the State</em> towards satisfying the number of years registered.  In other words, the registration period starts from the time residency is established, NOT from when the crime took place.  They also do not give &#8220;credit&#8221; if one leaves and comes back.  Any time spent as a non-resident tolls the clock on registration.  Blatantly unconstitutional, IMO.</p>
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		By: Cbus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cbus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2021 03:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38237&quot;&gt;JZ&lt;/a&gt;.

To clarify, does this only benefit those with older pre SORA convictions?

Or does this provide any relief to those willing to relocate to Indiana but have more recent post SORA convictions?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38237">JZ</a>.</p>
<p>To clarify, does this only benefit those with older pre SORA convictions?</p>
<p>Or does this provide any relief to those willing to relocate to Indiana but have more recent post SORA convictions?</p>
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		By: JZ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2021 23:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38235&quot;&gt;RM&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for your prompt response. So when should we pack up and head for [Southern] Indiana?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38235">RM</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for your prompt response. So when should we pack up and head for [Southern] Indiana?</p>
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		By: JZ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2021 23:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38231&quot;&gt;JoeM&lt;/a&gt;.

http://iga.in.gov/legislative/laws/2020/ic/titles/011#11-8-8]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38231">JoeM</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://iga.in.gov/legislative/laws/2020/ic/titles/011#11-8-8" rel="nofollow ugc">http://iga.in.gov/legislative/laws/2020/ic/titles/011#11-8-8</a></p>
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		By: RM		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38235</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2021 21:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38234&quot;&gt;JZ&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m no lawyer, but I carefully read the opinion of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeal and their holding appears to invalidate this provision. This is the &quot;other-jurisdiction&quot; requirement that the Court struck down as a violation of the right to travel. The Court said that the State of Indiana must treat Indianans and citizens of other states who relocate to Indiana equally in terms of their registration obligations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/in-victory-people-not-required-to-register-just-because-they-move-to-indiana/comment-page-1/#comment-38234">JZ</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no lawyer, but I carefully read the opinion of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeal and their holding appears to invalidate this provision. This is the &#8220;other-jurisdiction&#8221; requirement that the Court struck down as a violation of the right to travel. The Court said that the State of Indiana must treat Indianans and citizens of other states who relocate to Indiana equally in terms of their registration obligations.</p>
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