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		By: Jacob		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-4/#comment-39059</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2021 21:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Compliance op finds NO reoffending, ‘protects public’:

http://1057news.com/2021/07/15/13/45/33/u-s-marshals-join-cumberland-co-law-enforcement-in-sex-offender-compliance-operation/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compliance op finds NO reoffending, ‘protects public’:</p>
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		By: Ed C		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-4/#comment-39058</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-4/#comment-39057&quot;&gt;Ed C&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry 2.6% should have been 23.7%.  Rounding error and typo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-4/#comment-39057">Ed C</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry 2.6% should have been 23.7%.  Rounding error and typo.</p>
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		By: Ed C		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To be perfectly clear, I have no sympathy for those who were arrested for &quot;real&quot; sex crimes, particularly if they were registered.  Those were just slow learners, and probably need to have the lesson reinforced.

However, this was a typical public relations operation.  We must remember that police and prosecutors don’t get “promotion points” for actually stopping crime.  They get credit for making arrests and obtaining convictions.  Indeed, if the crime rate went to zero, they would be out of their jobs.

The briefing began with the naming of seven agencies involved to make sure that these can include “Operation Watchdog” in the departmental resumes at funding time.  A quick look at the numbers is revealing.  Of the 38 total arrests, 6 were arrested for traveling, 3 for possession of child pornography, and 29 for technical registry violations.  Only one of the travelers was registered, incidentally for the same crime.  He’s one of the slow learners.  In addition to the 6 traveler arrests, the 3 possession arrests were likely due to what the briefer referred to as the “online operation.”

That leaves the 29 violations of registry laws—although one of those may have been a probation violation.  Twenty-nine is 7.25% of the 400 registrants in the area.  The lone traveler who was a registrant represents 0.25% of all area registrants.  Of the 38 arrests, 9 were for real sex crimes, which is 2.6%.

Note that all 9 real crime arrests could have been obtained without a sweep of registered SOs!!  However that would not provide the desired effect of vilifying registrants, nor could it justify the manpower.  Since those 9 real crimes were detected through the online portion, they needed to pad the operation with technical violations to obtain the desired public relations benefit.  If I am being too cynical or am misinterpreting the data, please let me know.

Veritas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be perfectly clear, I have no sympathy for those who were arrested for &#8220;real&#8221; sex crimes, particularly if they were registered.  Those were just slow learners, and probably need to have the lesson reinforced.</p>
<p>However, this was a typical public relations operation.  We must remember that police and prosecutors don’t get “promotion points” for actually stopping crime.  They get credit for making arrests and obtaining convictions.  Indeed, if the crime rate went to zero, they would be out of their jobs.</p>
<p>The briefing began with the naming of seven agencies involved to make sure that these can include “Operation Watchdog” in the departmental resumes at funding time.  A quick look at the numbers is revealing.  Of the 38 total arrests, 6 were arrested for traveling, 3 for possession of child pornography, and 29 for technical registry violations.  Only one of the travelers was registered, incidentally for the same crime.  He’s one of the slow learners.  In addition to the 6 traveler arrests, the 3 possession arrests were likely due to what the briefer referred to as the “online operation.”</p>
<p>That leaves the 29 violations of registry laws—although one of those may have been a probation violation.  Twenty-nine is 7.25% of the 400 registrants in the area.  The lone traveler who was a registrant represents 0.25% of all area registrants.  Of the 38 arrests, 9 were for real sex crimes, which is 2.6%.</p>
<p>Note that all 9 real crime arrests could have been obtained without a sweep of registered SOs!!  However that would not provide the desired effect of vilifying registrants, nor could it justify the manpower.  Since those 9 real crimes were detected through the online portion, they needed to pad the operation with technical violations to obtain the desired public relations benefit.  If I am being too cynical or am misinterpreting the data, please let me know.</p>
<p>Veritas.</p>
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		By: Detroit		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39056</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Detroit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As Justice Holmes would say, &quot;men must turn square corners when dealing with the government&quot;.  Rock Island v U.S., 254 US 141 (1920).  Justice Holmes made it clear that you can&#039;t trust anyone in government 100 years ago.  Timeless advice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Justice Holmes would say, &#8220;men must turn square corners when dealing with the government&#8221;.  Rock Island v U.S., 254 US 141 (1920).  Justice Holmes made it clear that you can&#8217;t trust anyone in government 100 years ago.  Timeless advice.</p>
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		By: Detroit		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39055</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Detroit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sc:
You are under no obligation to answer your door if the police don&#039;t have a warrant.  The state places a duty on the police to do compliance checks but you have no corresponding duty to cooperate.
The same for registration forms.  You are not required, nor can they force you to sign a registration form.  The only thing they can do if you refuse to sign is write refused to sign on the form.
I worked for the military police and for a civilian police force prior to any of these registration laws being in effect.  We asked people to sign miranda waivers and about 1/2 refused.  It was no sweat off of our ass, we just wrote refused to sign and just moved on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sc:<br />
You are under no obligation to answer your door if the police don&#8217;t have a warrant.  The state places a duty on the police to do compliance checks but you have no corresponding duty to cooperate.<br />
The same for registration forms.  You are not required, nor can they force you to sign a registration form.  The only thing they can do if you refuse to sign is write refused to sign on the form.<br />
I worked for the military police and for a civilian police force prior to any of these registration laws being in effect.  We asked people to sign miranda waivers and about 1/2 refused.  It was no sweat off of our ass, we just wrote refused to sign and just moved on.</p>
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		By: Roger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Florida has many defense contracts so it is important for the security of out country that military contractors in Florida who have intimate knowledge of defense systems can be framed for CP. If they ever get out of prison they will be released in Florida and arrested again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florida has many defense contracts so it is important for the security of out country that military contractors in Florida who have intimate knowledge of defense systems can be framed for CP. If they ever get out of prison they will be released in Florida and arrested again.</p>
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		By: Bob		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39053</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39049&quot;&gt;Detroit&lt;/a&gt;.

Very good advice!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39049">Detroit</a>.</p>
<p>Very good advice!</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39052</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2021 21:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39050&quot;&gt;AJ&lt;/a&gt;.

AJ

I use to work in Law enforcement, a Terry Stop can only be applied when the officer has a resonable suspicion that a person has committed a crime. For example, a lady stops an officer and tells him that the guy in the green shirt has a gun.

Even though the officer did not see the gun, he / she now has the right to stop the person and detain them for a reasonable amount of time based on the suspicion given by a citizen.

This BS is another reason the registry IS in fact punisment. We are under LIFETIME suspicion since all of us apparently are taking turns plundering the cities looking for new victims, like a blood thirsty vampire.

AND don&#039;t even get me started on officers lying to cover their ass. One of the many reasons I left. I got tired of looking the other way while homeless people got their brains bashed in for nothing.

There are in fact some real decent police officers and I met some both while being one myself and a few that stopped me while be a registrant. A few I will never forget for their kindness, and a few more I never forget for being detained for hours at a time just to mess with me, hoping they can cause me to lose my temper and get slammed the ground.

Usually asking for a &quot;Watch Commander&quot; causes them to crap themselves and let you go. Especially in larger agencies. The smaller departments seem to get away with more harassment, because the chief is the Father of the Captain, whose daughter is a dispacther and her boyfriend is a detective.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39050">AJ</a>.</p>
<p>AJ</p>
<p>I use to work in Law enforcement, a Terry Stop can only be applied when the officer has a resonable suspicion that a person has committed a crime. For example, a lady stops an officer and tells him that the guy in the green shirt has a gun.</p>
<p>Even though the officer did not see the gun, he / she now has the right to stop the person and detain them for a reasonable amount of time based on the suspicion given by a citizen.</p>
<p>This BS is another reason the registry IS in fact punisment. We are under LIFETIME suspicion since all of us apparently are taking turns plundering the cities looking for new victims, like a blood thirsty vampire.</p>
<p>AND don&#8217;t even get me started on officers lying to cover their ass. One of the many reasons I left. I got tired of looking the other way while homeless people got their brains bashed in for nothing.</p>
<p>There are in fact some real decent police officers and I met some both while being one myself and a few that stopped me while be a registrant. A few I will never forget for their kindness, and a few more I never forget for being detained for hours at a time just to mess with me, hoping they can cause me to lose my temper and get slammed the ground.</p>
<p>Usually asking for a &#8220;Watch Commander&#8221; causes them to crap themselves and let you go. Especially in larger agencies. The smaller departments seem to get away with more harassment, because the chief is the Father of the Captain, whose daughter is a dispacther and her boyfriend is a detective.</p>
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		By: Sc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39050&quot;&gt;AJ&lt;/a&gt;.

@ AJ / Detroit

Oh. I&#039;m aware that I am under no obligation to do anything more than show them my DL. I&#039;m under no &quot;official&quot; supervision nor do I ever provide info not required. I appreciate the responses...

I was hoping for some type of clarification like... Do they travel in groups and show up at your doorstep at dinner? Do they have a warrant to search the home area, etc. That sort of thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39050">AJ</a>.</p>
<p>@ AJ / Detroit</p>
<p>Oh. I&#8217;m aware that I am under no obligation to do anything more than show them my DL. I&#8217;m under no &#8220;official&#8221; supervision nor do I ever provide info not required. I appreciate the responses&#8230;</p>
<p>I was hoping for some type of clarification like&#8230; Do they travel in groups and show up at your doorstep at dinner? Do they have a warrant to search the home area, etc. That sort of thing.</p>
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		By: AJ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39050</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39047&quot;&gt;Sc&lt;/a&gt;.

SC: Miranda only comes into play &lt;strong&gt;after&lt;/strong&gt; arrest.  LE can ask anyone questions all day long, whether by knocking on doors (as validated in &lt;em&gt;Florida v. Jardines&lt;/em&gt;) or through what&#039;s known as a &lt;em&gt;Terry&lt;/em&gt; stop, after the SCOTUS case in the 1960s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/its-confirmed-recent-compliance-checks-were-an-operation/comment-page-3/#comment-39047">Sc</a>.</p>
<p>SC: Miranda only comes into play <strong>after</strong> arrest.  LE can ask anyone questions all day long, whether by knocking on doors (as validated in <em>Florida v. Jardines</em>) or through what&#8217;s known as a <em>Terry</em> stop, after the SCOTUS case in the 1960s.</p>
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