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		By: Ed C		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 12:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44096&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, but you&#039;d probably look like one of Cinderella&#039;s ugly step sisters trying squeeze into high heels! Try wearing flats instead. lol  Unlike you, I was blessed with good health and the privilege of serving as an engineer officer in the 82nd Airborne Division.

Best wishes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44096">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, but you&#8217;d probably look like one of Cinderella&#8217;s ugly step sisters trying squeeze into high heels! Try wearing flats instead. lol  Unlike you, I was blessed with good health and the privilege of serving as an engineer officer in the 82nd Airborne Division.</p>
<p>Best wishes.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2021 19:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44094&quot;&gt;Ed C&lt;/a&gt;.

Ed
Thank you. I was born on a military base. My Dad was in Vietnam along with his two brothers. My Grand Dad served in WWII.

I tried to join the military but they said I had too many health issues. One trait I did not get from my Native blood is flat feet. I have huge high arches and cause me a lot of pain. My Mom got the flat feet I got the high heel lady feet HAHAHA
I have to regularly buy arch supports to wear shoes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44094">Ed C</a>.</p>
<p>Ed<br />
Thank you. I was born on a military base. My Dad was in Vietnam along with his two brothers. My Grand Dad served in WWII.</p>
<p>I tried to join the military but they said I had too many health issues. One trait I did not get from my Native blood is flat feet. I have huge high arches and cause me a lot of pain. My Mom got the flat feet I got the high heel lady feet HAHAHA<br />
I have to regularly buy arch supports to wear shoes.</p>
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		By: Saddles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saddles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2021 18:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Punishment, Penalities or even persuading endeavers, who can be right in these matters. Sure many can cry foul on biblical grounds or as many say does one size fit all in this registry game. Many didn&#039;t have a chance to go to a jury but were given a plea deal or bargain. Should one look at a plea bargain, or deal as a bribery type of technique.

Man is always gonna have challenges and/or complications when it comes to others wanting to overthorw others such as in this registry ruse. Many citizens don&#039;t even understand this and conclude its about raping someone but is it actually protecting with this cloud over one&#039;s head.

One wonders if these able men and women are able to tie their shows right or is everything a plea deal away. Where is the true justice in that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Punishment, Penalities or even persuading endeavers, who can be right in these matters. Sure many can cry foul on biblical grounds or as many say does one size fit all in this registry game. Many didn&#8217;t have a chance to go to a jury but were given a plea deal or bargain. Should one look at a plea bargain, or deal as a bribery type of technique.</p>
<p>Man is always gonna have challenges and/or complications when it comes to others wanting to overthorw others such as in this registry ruse. Many citizens don&#8217;t even understand this and conclude its about raping someone but is it actually protecting with this cloud over one&#8217;s head.</p>
<p>One wonders if these able men and women are able to tie their shows right or is everything a plea deal away. Where is the true justice in that?</p>
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		By: Ed C		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2021 12:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44093&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

Cherokee, you are the embodiment of the objective of police reform.  Over the years, we have seen increasing militarization of the police.  I even heard one chief refer to his department as a &quot;para-military force.&quot;  That para-military attitude does not belong on the street where there are citizens, but on the battlefield where there are enemies.

Thanks for your good service.

Veritas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44093">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>Cherokee, you are the embodiment of the objective of police reform.  Over the years, we have seen increasing militarization of the police.  I even heard one chief refer to his department as a &#8220;para-military force.&#8221;  That para-military attitude does not belong on the street where there are citizens, but on the battlefield where there are enemies.</p>
<p>Thanks for your good service.</p>
<p>Veritas.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2021 01:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44091&quot;&gt;Ed C&lt;/a&gt;.

ED C

When I was a cop there was no registry. However, I could imagine if there was one and they assigned me to that detail, I would have declined. Not because of what I know now, but I would have considered that baby sitting and harassing people who we already caught doing something.

I was more interested in stopping crime and apprehending those doing something wrong, not messing with people who haven&#039;t gotten a chance to prove they can change. Even the most horrid person I came across, I never called anyone a scum bag or any derogatory name. I called even the worst of the worst &quot;Sir&quot; and Ma&#039;am&quot;. No matter how mean they were to me I remained not just professional but also kind, caring and compassionate to all people I came into contact.

I remember praying over a drug dealer as I watched him take his last breath. I got made fun of by other officers for a long time after that.

I can happily state I never got a single complaint against me when I worked in law enforcement, and that is hard to do. I never purposely put handcuffs on too tight, never &quot;Accidently bashed someone&#039;s head into the roof of the car as they were being placed under arrest. It was never my job to judge them or be the jury. It was not my job to deliver street justice.  It was my job to arrest them and take them to jail and let the courts and the lawyers do the rest.

I use to really miss working in law enforcement. In today&#039;s environment I wouldn&#039;t do it if it was the last job on Earth and it paid $100,000 to start.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44091">Ed C</a>.</p>
<p>ED C</p>
<p>When I was a cop there was no registry. However, I could imagine if there was one and they assigned me to that detail, I would have declined. Not because of what I know now, but I would have considered that baby sitting and harassing people who we already caught doing something.</p>
<p>I was more interested in stopping crime and apprehending those doing something wrong, not messing with people who haven&#8217;t gotten a chance to prove they can change. Even the most horrid person I came across, I never called anyone a scum bag or any derogatory name. I called even the worst of the worst &#8220;Sir&#8221; and Ma&#8217;am&#8221;. No matter how mean they were to me I remained not just professional but also kind, caring and compassionate to all people I came into contact.</p>
<p>I remember praying over a drug dealer as I watched him take his last breath. I got made fun of by other officers for a long time after that.</p>
<p>I can happily state I never got a single complaint against me when I worked in law enforcement, and that is hard to do. I never purposely put handcuffs on too tight, never &#8220;Accidently bashed someone&#8217;s head into the roof of the car as they were being placed under arrest. It was never my job to judge them or be the jury. It was not my job to deliver street justice.  It was my job to arrest them and take them to jail and let the courts and the lawyers do the rest.</p>
<p>I use to really miss working in law enforcement. In today&#8217;s environment I wouldn&#8217;t do it if it was the last job on Earth and it paid $100,000 to start.</p>
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		By: Ed C		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2021 23:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-1/#comment-44086&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, but they probably don&#039;t eat much either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-1/#comment-44086">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, but they probably don&#8217;t eat much either.</p>
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		By: Ed C		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2021 23:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44087&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

I can&#039;t find any fault in that analysis, Cherokee.  Nor would it be hyperbole to call it the &quot;Registration Industrial Complex.&quot;

Veritas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44087">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t find any fault in that analysis, Cherokee.  Nor would it be hyperbole to call it the &#8220;Registration Industrial Complex.&#8221;</p>
<p>Veritas.</p>
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		By: Ed C		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2021 23:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44080&quot;&gt;redkat&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the link Redkat.  My point is that registration is not part of the punishment for a sex crime.  It may be a crime to not register, but the original sex crime does not include registration in the punishment specified in the statute.  I realize this is a fine legal point, and doesn&#039;t change the punitive aspects of registration.  However, to say that registration is part of &quot;the sentencing process&quot; is not quite correct.

If Florida does have a sex crime statute that lists registration as part of its punishment, I&#039;d love that link.  It would be quite useful.

Veritas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44080">redkat</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link Redkat.  My point is that registration is not part of the punishment for a sex crime.  It may be a crime to not register, but the original sex crime does not include registration in the punishment specified in the statute.  I realize this is a fine legal point, and doesn&#8217;t change the punitive aspects of registration.  However, to say that registration is part of &#8220;the sentencing process&#8221; is not quite correct.</p>
<p>If Florida does have a sex crime statute that lists registration as part of its punishment, I&#8217;d love that link.  It would be quite useful.</p>
<p>Veritas.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2021 17:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44088&quot;&gt;DavidM&lt;/a&gt;.

David
Foot ball is a team sport and it is team against team so it is: US vs. Them.

Golf is a game of &quot;Every man for himself&quot; (Or herself).

So the registry is like golf, us against everyone else. And F.A.C is like football, we are a team and it is us against them (The courts and law makers).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44088">DavidM</a>.</p>
<p>David<br />
Foot ball is a team sport and it is team against team so it is: US vs. Them.</p>
<p>Golf is a game of &#8220;Every man for himself&#8221; (Or herself).</p>
<p>So the registry is like golf, us against everyone else. And F.A.C is like football, we are a team and it is us against them (The courts and law makers).</p>
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		By: DavidM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavidM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2021 17:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44085&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

CherokeeJack 
 That might be a bad example I used as a illustration but I think the lesson learned would be appropriate.  Whether applied to a judge or a juror or anyone else. We never know all the circumstances in a situation so must be very careful in judgment matters. Especially when you are talking long term repercussions. Which the registry is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/jurors-dont-know-what-the-penalties-for-a-guilty-verdict-will-be-they-should/comment-page-2/#comment-44085">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>CherokeeJack<br />
 That might be a bad example I used as a illustration but I think the lesson learned would be appropriate.  Whether applied to a judge or a juror or anyone else. We never know all the circumstances in a situation so must be very careful in judgment matters. Especially when you are talking long term repercussions. Which the registry is.</p>
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