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	Comments on: Member Submission:  Victimless Police Proactive Sex Stings	</title>
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		By: Brandon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2021 12:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I got caught in one of these stings and I have to say it opened my eyes to ugliness of the justice system.  I never supported the registry and other restrictions placed on people who have done their time.  Just because someone thinks they have to know doesn’t mean they should. Way not throw out everyone’s baggage because it’s not the government’s job to keep you safe, it’s yours.

I’ll have ask my sister in law if there’s any updated research on sexual offenses.  Being a Criminologist/Sociologist/Researcher/ and Professor I’m sure she can point me in the right direction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got caught in one of these stings and I have to say it opened my eyes to ugliness of the justice system.  I never supported the registry and other restrictions placed on people who have done their time.  Just because someone thinks they have to know doesn’t mean they should. Way not throw out everyone’s baggage because it’s not the government’s job to keep you safe, it’s yours.</p>
<p>I’ll have ask my sister in law if there’s any updated research on sexual offenses.  Being a Criminologist/Sociologist/Researcher/ and Professor I’m sure she can point me in the right direction.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-2/#comment-44002</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2021 03:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-2/#comment-44001&quot;&gt;rpsabq&lt;/a&gt;.

rpsabq

Your story contains one flaw. AOL not only exists, I am using it right now. I have been an AOL member since 1985. Maybe you meant AOL chat or rooms don&#039;t exist anymore. My Mom and Dad still have AOL accounts as well.
Verizon bought out AOL but kept the name. I log into my AOL every day and have it registered with the Gestapo as required by the registry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-2/#comment-44001">rpsabq</a>.</p>
<p>rpsabq</p>
<p>Your story contains one flaw. AOL not only exists, I am using it right now. I have been an AOL member since 1985. Maybe you meant AOL chat or rooms don&#8217;t exist anymore. My Mom and Dad still have AOL accounts as well.<br />
Verizon bought out AOL but kept the name. I log into my AOL every day and have it registered with the Gestapo as required by the registry.</p>
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		By: rpsabq		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-2/#comment-44001</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rpsabq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 23:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes the fact that it doesn&#039;t matter that it was an undercover agent is written into the statute.

The charge is called &quot;Computer Pornography&quot; which I&#039;ve sense realized is totally on purpose.  Always fair when the title of the crime under which i was convicted is actually worse than the crime itself.

Further my situation only became a crime due to a specific feature to AOL online chat system.   I was in a room called WPBM4M (that&#039;s men for men, btw).  AOL of course doesn&#039;t even exit today.   When I was first arrested I truly felt that it would soon be realized this is all a big misunderstanding.   WRONG!   I was a pedophilic monster lurky the internet for kids and that was the end of it!!

22 years and it still feels like the Twilight Zone.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the fact that it doesn&#8217;t matter that it was an undercover agent is written into the statute.</p>
<p>The charge is called &#8220;Computer Pornography&#8221; which I&#8217;ve sense realized is totally on purpose.  Always fair when the title of the crime under which i was convicted is actually worse than the crime itself.</p>
<p>Further my situation only became a crime due to a specific feature to AOL online chat system.   I was in a room called WPBM4M (that&#8217;s men for men, btw).  AOL of course doesn&#8217;t even exit today.   When I was first arrested I truly felt that it would soon be realized this is all a big misunderstanding.   WRONG!   I was a pedophilic monster lurky the internet for kids and that was the end of it!!</p>
<p>22 years and it still feels like the Twilight Zone&#8230;..</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-1/#comment-44000</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 13:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-1/#comment-43997&quot;&gt;Sidney Chapman&lt;/a&gt;.

Sidney

Thank you for your service to the community. I was in law enforcement for a while as well. If you are a decent person, you saw things that really bothered you. I could no longer take the abuse of people like homeless that got their teeth knocked out because they were sleeping on a park bench. One particular guy was a decorated Marine in Vietnam.

Anyway, what I wanted to say is, former cops who have a relative on the registry would make great speakers in front of the legislators concerning the pathetic retro actively punishment placed on ex offenders on the registry.

I cannot do it myself because an ex cop on the registry would fall on deaf ears. But someone who was in law enforcement and has a relative on the registry would make a great impact even if just one person &quot;Got it&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-1/#comment-43997">Sidney Chapman</a>.</p>
<p>Sidney</p>
<p>Thank you for your service to the community. I was in law enforcement for a while as well. If you are a decent person, you saw things that really bothered you. I could no longer take the abuse of people like homeless that got their teeth knocked out because they were sleeping on a park bench. One particular guy was a decorated Marine in Vietnam.</p>
<p>Anyway, what I wanted to say is, former cops who have a relative on the registry would make great speakers in front of the legislators concerning the pathetic retro actively punishment placed on ex offenders on the registry.</p>
<p>I cannot do it myself because an ex cop on the registry would fall on deaf ears. But someone who was in law enforcement and has a relative on the registry would make a great impact even if just one person &#8220;Got it&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Ed C		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-2/#comment-43999</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 12:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very helpful information!  All we can assert from the &quot;missing&quot; data is that the number of victims and people seeking victims is less than that reported by ICAC.  Although we can never discern whether it is 10% or 90% less.  That is a fact I can use to diminish LE credibility when I ​write my legislature.  Not including a simple one-bit flag in the computer data to indicate a sting is nothing less than willful blindness, or willful deceit. I wonder if it is possible to resurrect that information from ICAC archives.  Is a FOIA request possible?

The emphasis on human trafficking is the current political bandwagon, which I fully support if the data are real.  Do we actually know the extent of this problem, or is there manipulation of these data as well?

Veritas (if that is possible).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very helpful information!  All we can assert from the &#8220;missing&#8221; data is that the number of victims and people seeking victims is less than that reported by ICAC.  Although we can never discern whether it is 10% or 90% less.  That is a fact I can use to diminish LE credibility when I ​write my legislature.  Not including a simple one-bit flag in the computer data to indicate a sting is nothing less than willful blindness, or willful deceit. I wonder if it is possible to resurrect that information from ICAC archives.  Is a FOIA request possible?</p>
<p>The emphasis on human trafficking is the current political bandwagon, which I fully support if the data are real.  Do we actually know the extent of this problem, or is there manipulation of these data as well?</p>
<p>Veritas (if that is possible).</p>
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		By: Ike Diaz		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-2/#comment-43998</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ike Diaz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 04:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do not worry about Doctor Phil.  I remember a few years ago, after watching one of his show,  I noticed he was blinking nervously a lot.  I told my wife I am going to cure this madman.  I sent an e-mail to him making him aware of his eye twitch, and told him he was not fit to talk about the issue at hand that particular day.  Next day he stop twitching his eyes.  I told my wife I am a better psychologist than he is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not worry about Doctor Phil.  I remember a few years ago, after watching one of his show,  I noticed he was blinking nervously a lot.  I told my wife I am going to cure this madman.  I sent an e-mail to him making him aware of his eye twitch, and told him he was not fit to talk about the issue at hand that particular day.  Next day he stop twitching his eyes.  I told my wife I am a better psychologist than he is.</p>
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		By: Sidney Chapman		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-1/#comment-43997</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sidney Chapman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 02:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-1/#comment-43989&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

It is much easier to create a crime than it is to look for someone who actually broke the law.  That is why they do it.  Then they can ask the Justice Department for grants to fund the victimless crimes.  The more arrest the more money.  My son didn&#039;t make a call to talk to the , so called, under age girl the male office called him.  That should have thrown the case out but it was never brought up.  I had been an officer in Jacksonville,  Fl at one time and it took me three years before I understood how they trapped my son.  By then it was too late.  I have been saying if FAC and other groups would work together on the stings it would be like an house of cards.  Showing how stings trap people would destroy all the other sex related issues like registry where you can live etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-1/#comment-43989">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>It is much easier to create a crime than it is to look for someone who actually broke the law.  That is why they do it.  Then they can ask the Justice Department for grants to fund the victimless crimes.  The more arrest the more money.  My son didn&#8217;t make a call to talk to the , so called, under age girl the male office called him.  That should have thrown the case out but it was never brought up.  I had been an officer in Jacksonville,  Fl at one time and it took me three years before I understood how they trapped my son.  By then it was too late.  I have been saying if FAC and other groups would work together on the stings it would be like an house of cards.  Showing how stings trap people would destroy all the other sex related issues like registry where you can live etc.</p>
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		By: Maestro		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-1/#comment-43996</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maestro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2021 23:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-1/#comment-43985&quot;&gt;Mp&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually, yes, there are a few. I met a woman about 3 or so yrs ago who was 23 at the time and told me she’d been on and off the adult dating apps since she was 15.
Although you have to be 18+ to use the apps, you don’t have to PROVE your age. You just simply tick a box that says you have read the TOS rules. Anyone can do that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-1/#comment-43985">Mp</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, yes, there are a few. I met a woman about 3 or so yrs ago who was 23 at the time and told me she’d been on and off the adult dating apps since she was 15.<br />
Although you have to be 18+ to use the apps, you don’t have to PROVE your age. You just simply tick a box that says you have read the TOS rules. Anyone can do that.</p>
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		By: Maestro		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-1/#comment-43995</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maestro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2021 23:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-1/#comment-43989&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

I’ve never in my entire teen to adult life agreed with cops posing as drug DEALERS to catch the BUYERS. The buyers have an addiction that needs treatment. That tactic was a waste of resources. I can, however, agree with posing as the BUYER to catch the DEALER in order to stop the flow of narcotics.

But what they’re doing online is not even to be compared to undercover drug stings. Online, they are using ADULT DATING APPS to entrap men whose INITIAL INTENTIONS were to seek out other ADULTS for dating or what have you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-1/#comment-43989">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>I’ve never in my entire teen to adult life agreed with cops posing as drug DEALERS to catch the BUYERS. The buyers have an addiction that needs treatment. That tactic was a waste of resources. I can, however, agree with posing as the BUYER to catch the DEALER in order to stop the flow of narcotics.</p>
<p>But what they’re doing online is not even to be compared to undercover drug stings. Online, they are using ADULT DATING APPS to entrap men whose INITIAL INTENTIONS were to seek out other ADULTS for dating or what have you.</p>
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		By: Brandon		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-2/#comment-43994</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2021 22:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-2/#comment-43992&quot;&gt;Bob&lt;/a&gt;.

Dr. phil is as useless as John Walsh,  Nancy  Grace, and Oprah are when it comes to solving crime.  A bunch of hot air and that’s all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/member-submission-victimless-police-proactive-sex-stings/comment-page-2/#comment-43992">Bob</a>.</p>
<p>Dr. phil is as useless as John Walsh,  Nancy  Grace, and Oprah are when it comes to solving crime.  A bunch of hot air and that’s all.</p>
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