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	Comments on: MI: If the Registry is Unconstitutional, Who is Liable? (Part II)	</title>
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		By: JJJJ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57836</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJJJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2023 05:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57827&quot;&gt;VOCAL&lt;/a&gt;.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57827">VOCAL</a>.</p>
<p>Amen! Amen!</p>
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		By: JJJJ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57835</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJJJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2023 04:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57830&quot;&gt;Disgusted in Michigan&lt;/a&gt;.

Sir, no one is stupid enough to simply stop registering (all by themselves).
I think you underestimate the intelligence of people.
What I keep saying is simply that I believe that mass civil disobedience may be our only option. I am not talking about a few loonies. I am talking about a well-organized and well-planned movement comprising of, at least, tens of thousands of individuals across the USA.
I am talking about MASS disobedience.
Maybe this is a pipe dream. I don&#039;t know, frankly.
But I DO know this: as long as we keep &quot;taking it&quot;, these sick, diarespectful bastards will keep dishing it out!
Bullies will continue to bully until the little guys stands up and says &quot;enough!!!&quot;
That&#039;s my 2 cents worth.
I say to every person that is forced to register:  &quot;Quit being a sissy and STAND UP!!!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57830">Disgusted in Michigan</a>.</p>
<p>Sir, no one is stupid enough to simply stop registering (all by themselves).<br />
I think you underestimate the intelligence of people.<br />
What I keep saying is simply that I believe that mass civil disobedience may be our only option. I am not talking about a few loonies. I am talking about a well-organized and well-planned movement comprising of, at least, tens of thousands of individuals across the USA.<br />
I am talking about MASS disobedience.<br />
Maybe this is a pipe dream. I don&#8217;t know, frankly.<br />
But I DO know this: as long as we keep &#8220;taking it&#8221;, these sick, diarespectful bastards will keep dishing it out!<br />
Bullies will continue to bully until the little guys stands up and says &#8220;enough!!!&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s my 2 cents worth.<br />
I say to every person that is forced to register:  &#8220;Quit being a sissy and STAND UP!!!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Facts should matter		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57834</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Facts should matter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2023 16:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57832&quot;&gt;VOCAL&lt;/a&gt;.

So is &quot;strict liability.&quot;

Strict liability  is another quasi-ruling designed to keep the registry held together with very misleading data rooted in fear.

I have never in my life seen the political contortions, excuses and mental gymnastics used to keep a very, VERY bad law on the books.  The degree of desperation is clearly predictable as SORNA is a harmful concept that is BARELY legal to begin with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57832">VOCAL</a>.</p>
<p>So is &#8220;strict liability.&#8221;</p>
<p>Strict liability  is another quasi-ruling designed to keep the registry held together with very misleading data rooted in fear.</p>
<p>I have never in my life seen the political contortions, excuses and mental gymnastics used to keep a very, VERY bad law on the books.  The degree of desperation is clearly predictable as SORNA is a harmful concept that is BARELY legal to begin with.</p>
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		By: VOCAL		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57833</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VOCAL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2023 01:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57825&quot;&gt;Joy&lt;/a&gt;.

Joy:
Unfortunately, there is no effective way for people on the registry to protest.  They can&#039;t refuse to register especially in states like Texas or Alabama (as recently reported on in our blog) where they will face spending the remainder of their lives in prison if convicted.
One commenter above mentioned sovereign immunity which is a political issue that has potential, but it doesn&#039;t get rid of the registry.
JJJJ is not alone in being incredibly frustrated.  Just read some of the comments here.  JJJJ and others have a right to be angry because they have been stripped of their most fundamental rights and even their humanity.
What needs to be done is more networking and sharing of information.  NARSOL has been pretty good with this, but these efforts have to be expanded.  Also, attorneys involved with this issue should have a conference every year or two to share ideas and try to come up with a legal strategy on a national basis.
We preach to people like JJJJ to be patient, but we&#039;re not the ones with a knee on our necks.  We need to provide people on the registry with meaningful support while they endure these unconstitutional laws.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57825">Joy</a>.</p>
<p>Joy:<br />
Unfortunately, there is no effective way for people on the registry to protest.  They can&#8217;t refuse to register especially in states like Texas or Alabama (as recently reported on in our blog) where they will face spending the remainder of their lives in prison if convicted.<br />
One commenter above mentioned sovereign immunity which is a political issue that has potential, but it doesn&#8217;t get rid of the registry.<br />
JJJJ is not alone in being incredibly frustrated.  Just read some of the comments here.  JJJJ and others have a right to be angry because they have been stripped of their most fundamental rights and even their humanity.<br />
What needs to be done is more networking and sharing of information.  NARSOL has been pretty good with this, but these efforts have to be expanded.  Also, attorneys involved with this issue should have a conference every year or two to share ideas and try to come up with a legal strategy on a national basis.<br />
We preach to people like JJJJ to be patient, but we&#8217;re not the ones with a knee on our necks.  We need to provide people on the registry with meaningful support while they endure these unconstitutional laws.</p>
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		By: VOCAL		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57832</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VOCAL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2023 00:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57829&quot;&gt;Disgusted in Michigan&lt;/a&gt;.

Disgusted in Michigan:
I&#039;m glad you know about qualified immunity.  Sovereign immunity is a legal fiction created by the U.S. Supreme Court and needs to come to an end.  Some politicians have suggested ending qualified immunity.  This is a political issue with some potential that affects a broad spectrum of people, not only people on the registry.  But first the public must be educated on the issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57829">Disgusted in Michigan</a>.</p>
<p>Disgusted in Michigan:<br />
I&#8217;m glad you know about qualified immunity.  Sovereign immunity is a legal fiction created by the U.S. Supreme Court and needs to come to an end.  Some politicians have suggested ending qualified immunity.  This is a political issue with some potential that affects a broad spectrum of people, not only people on the registry.  But first the public must be educated on the issue.</p>
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		By: Disgusted in Michigan		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57831</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Disgusted in Michigan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2023 17:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57830&quot;&gt;Disgusted in Michigan&lt;/a&gt;.

Not only that, but on the ASCOL site, there was a guy who suddenly appeared and was telling everyone how our Does II case was going to turn out and what it would mean for us.  I kept telling him and everyone else that he was absolutely wrong about some key facts but not many people listened.  In the end, he was indeed wrong and what he kept promising would happen never happened.
We all need to be careful with what we say because too many people who are hoping will take it as gospel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57830">Disgusted in Michigan</a>.</p>
<p>Not only that, but on the ASCOL site, there was a guy who suddenly appeared and was telling everyone how our Does II case was going to turn out and what it would mean for us.  I kept telling him and everyone else that he was absolutely wrong about some key facts but not many people listened.  In the end, he was indeed wrong and what he kept promising would happen never happened.<br />
We all need to be careful with what we say because too many people who are hoping will take it as gospel.</p>
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		By: Disgusted in Michigan		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57830</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Disgusted in Michigan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2023 17:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57827&quot;&gt;VOCAL&lt;/a&gt;.

I seriously doubt the moderator was trying to get the last word in.  In fact, I KNOW that&#039;s not the case.
To take JJJJ&#039;s advise to stop registering is foolish and will get us nowhere except  in a prison cell.  I&#039;m sure there&#039;s probably some people who would interpret things literally here.  There&#039;s probably even new people browsing these comments who would read JJJJ&#039;s comment and think it would be ok to stop registering.  Do we want some naïve  person ending up in legal trouble because he took someone&#039;s bad advice?  Certainly not.  There&#039;s much better ways for us to protest without breaking the law.  Moderator was doing those people a good service and reiterating the importance of following the laws while we await court justice.
Its no different from when someone asks a legal question and I might answer it, but I ALWAYS state that I am not an attorney and to never take what I say as sound legal advice.
Please don&#039;t be so hard on the moderators for this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57827">VOCAL</a>.</p>
<p>I seriously doubt the moderator was trying to get the last word in.  In fact, I KNOW that&#8217;s not the case.<br />
To take JJJJ&#8217;s advise to stop registering is foolish and will get us nowhere except  in a prison cell.  I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s probably some people who would interpret things literally here.  There&#8217;s probably even new people browsing these comments who would read JJJJ&#8217;s comment and think it would be ok to stop registering.  Do we want some naïve  person ending up in legal trouble because he took someone&#8217;s bad advice?  Certainly not.  There&#8217;s much better ways for us to protest without breaking the law.  Moderator was doing those people a good service and reiterating the importance of following the laws while we await court justice.<br />
Its no different from when someone asks a legal question and I might answer it, but I ALWAYS state that I am not an attorney and to never take what I say as sound legal advice.<br />
Please don&#8217;t be so hard on the moderators for this.</p>
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		By: Disgusted in Michigan		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57829</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Disgusted in Michigan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2023 11:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is the problem with qualified immunity and it needs to go.  It&#039;s no different than when a cop seriously violates someone&#039;s rights and they investigate themselves and conclude there was no wrongdoing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the problem with qualified immunity and it needs to go.  It&#8217;s no different than when a cop seriously violates someone&#8217;s rights and they investigate themselves and conclude there was no wrongdoing.</p>
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		By: VOCAL		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57828</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VOCAL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2023 05:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57819&quot;&gt;JJJJ&lt;/a&gt;.

JJJJ:
The quickest way to get off of the registry in Florida or any other state is to support the Does litigation in Michigan.  The courts have ruled that Michigan&#039;s registry is punishment.  This is going to severely reign in Michigan&#039;s registry, and of course, provide the arguments that could lead to registries in other states to be found unconstitutional.
VOCAL is pushing for change.  You can follow our progress at vocalhome.blogspot.com.
VOCAL is not pushing for a revolution and is not recommending that people refuse to register.  We believe that change will only come through the courts which is a slow process.
VOCAL has one advantage in that we are not soliciting donations.  Rather, we choose that people donate to litigation that is successful.  Groups like FAC and ACSOL are soliciting donations so they would rather people donate to their own efforts.  If ACSOL or FAC&#039;s efforts were to become the most successful we can push for donations to their efforts.  However, the only groundbreaking litigation right now is occurring in Michigan, so we are recommending that people support that litigation until more hopeful litigation develops.
We don&#039;t have the resources for a website right now so the best that we can do for the moment is a blog.  We aren&#039;t much of a player in the registry fight at this point but do have a clear game plan to become relevant in the fight to abolish registries.  Please be patient while we build our blog and get into the fight to ending these unconstitutional laws.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57819">JJJJ</a>.</p>
<p>JJJJ:<br />
The quickest way to get off of the registry in Florida or any other state is to support the Does litigation in Michigan.  The courts have ruled that Michigan&#8217;s registry is punishment.  This is going to severely reign in Michigan&#8217;s registry, and of course, provide the arguments that could lead to registries in other states to be found unconstitutional.<br />
VOCAL is pushing for change.  You can follow our progress at vocalhome.blogspot.com.<br />
VOCAL is not pushing for a revolution and is not recommending that people refuse to register.  We believe that change will only come through the courts which is a slow process.<br />
VOCAL has one advantage in that we are not soliciting donations.  Rather, we choose that people donate to litigation that is successful.  Groups like FAC and ACSOL are soliciting donations so they would rather people donate to their own efforts.  If ACSOL or FAC&#8217;s efforts were to become the most successful we can push for donations to their efforts.  However, the only groundbreaking litigation right now is occurring in Michigan, so we are recommending that people support that litigation until more hopeful litigation develops.<br />
We don&#8217;t have the resources for a website right now so the best that we can do for the moment is a blog.  We aren&#8217;t much of a player in the registry fight at this point but do have a clear game plan to become relevant in the fight to abolish registries.  Please be patient while we build our blog and get into the fight to ending these unconstitutional laws.</p>
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		By: VOCAL		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57827</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VOCAL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2023 05:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57819&quot;&gt;JJJJ&lt;/a&gt;.

Moderator:
You missed the point of JJJJ&#039;s comment.  He was saying to refuse to register as a form of protest, not to gain sympathy from an uncaring public.
What he suggested is not only practical but is already happening.  Just look at registrants in Detroit.  More than 40% of all registrants are noncompliant, not as a form of protest, but because of being burned out by the registry.
Of course, rather than check the Michigan registry for yourself you prefer to moderate my comments as you have done in the past simply because you can.  When you change or delete portions of my comments rather than checking the facts, you are no different than the people who blindly support the registry.  The same when you add comments to mine.  You try to make me look bad and are insistent on having the last word but I have learned not to respond to a fool.
You added your comment to his in order to get the last word in because you know that no matter what he says you can always get in the last word.  You even changed what he said in order to support your point of view and to prove him &quot;wrong&quot;.  That&#039;s pathetic.
I believe in the rule of law and that people should register if they are required to register until the courts strike down these unconstitutional laws.  However, I&#039;m not going to bury my head in the sand and ignore the more than 1,000 people who refuse to register in Detroit.  I will respect them, JJJJ and respect the decisions and comments that they make.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mi-if-the-registry-is-unconstitutional-who-is-liable-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-57819">JJJJ</a>.</p>
<p>Moderator:<br />
You missed the point of JJJJ&#8217;s comment.  He was saying to refuse to register as a form of protest, not to gain sympathy from an uncaring public.<br />
What he suggested is not only practical but is already happening.  Just look at registrants in Detroit.  More than 40% of all registrants are noncompliant, not as a form of protest, but because of being burned out by the registry.<br />
Of course, rather than check the Michigan registry for yourself you prefer to moderate my comments as you have done in the past simply because you can.  When you change or delete portions of my comments rather than checking the facts, you are no different than the people who blindly support the registry.  The same when you add comments to mine.  You try to make me look bad and are insistent on having the last word but I have learned not to respond to a fool.<br />
You added your comment to his in order to get the last word in because you know that no matter what he says you can always get in the last word.  You even changed what he said in order to support your point of view and to prove him &#8220;wrong&#8221;.  That&#8217;s pathetic.<br />
I believe in the rule of law and that people should register if they are required to register until the courts strike down these unconstitutional laws.  However, I&#8217;m not going to bury my head in the sand and ignore the more than 1,000 people who refuse to register in Detroit.  I will respect them, JJJJ and respect the decisions and comments that they make.</p>
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