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		By: Gerald		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2021 21:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-43176&quot;&gt;JZ&lt;/a&gt;.

The biggest point is that every time a case challenges a registry ANYWHERE, it is a chance to get the true facts out in public about registries and those on them. That registries DON&#039;T make communities safer. That sex offenders DON&#039;T have a high risk of recidivism. That registries DO punish people for years after they have served their sentences.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-43176">JZ</a>.</p>
<p>The biggest point is that every time a case challenges a registry ANYWHERE, it is a chance to get the true facts out in public about registries and those on them. That registries DON&#8217;T make communities safer. That sex offenders DON&#8217;T have a high risk of recidivism. That registries DO punish people for years after they have served their sentences.</p>
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		By: JZ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2021 19:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks CJ &#038; Gerald.

So now I must ask, what&#039;s the point of our out-of-state challenge IF you have to register in the state you&#039;re moving to? Sure it might get you off Floriduh&#039;s, but as long as you are on any state&#039;s registry, you are on the national website.

https://www.nsopw.gov/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks CJ &amp; Gerald.</p>
<p>So now I must ask, what&#8217;s the point of our out-of-state challenge IF you have to register in the state you&#8217;re moving to? Sure it might get you off Floriduh&#8217;s, but as long as you are on any state&#8217;s registry, you are on the national website.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.nsopw.gov/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nsopw.gov/</a></p>
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		By: Gerald		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2021 15:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-43173&quot;&gt;JZ&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes  jz, you do have to register in Michigan when you move here if you were on a registry in another state. In fact, I believe that the law states that you must register in Michigan if you were convicted anywhere else of a crime that would place you on Michigan&#039;s registry. Also keep in mind that many states require you to inform them of your new address when you move out of state.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-43173">JZ</a>.</p>
<p>Yes  jz, you do have to register in Michigan when you move here if you were on a registry in another state. In fact, I believe that the law states that you must register in Michigan if you were convicted anywhere else of a crime that would place you on Michigan&#8217;s registry. Also keep in mind that many states require you to inform them of your new address when you move out of state.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-43174</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2021 13:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-43173&quot;&gt;JZ&lt;/a&gt;.

JZ

I learned the hard way that the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence, or the other side of the U.S. As soon as I got off probation, I sold my house and moved to California. I was at the registration office for 3 hours in San Diego.

The Registration officer went over all the rules and asked me &quot;Are you sure you want to be this far from your family living in Worse conditions than you left?&quot; (Their registry was as bad if not worse at the time than Florida&#039;s) I clearly did not think this through properly and after 3 days of trying to get my rent deposit back, I came home.

What is funny is the way I got my deposit back. I did not inform them I was on the registry because I thought I didn&#039;t have to be on it when I moved to Cali. When they refused to return my deposit, I told them, &quot;OK but you cannot kick me out and keep my deposit once you find out I am a registered sex offender right?&quot; After verifying that, I got a check within an hour LOL

My Point is, if you are trying to get away from this crap in Florida, realize many states make you go by what your state mandates. You might end up moving into a hornets nest. At least I know what to expect here, that is until the Sheriff&#039;s harassment squads do their illegal &#038; immoral &quot;Operation save the World from the freaks&quot; tour.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-43173">JZ</a>.</p>
<p>JZ</p>
<p>I learned the hard way that the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence, or the other side of the U.S. As soon as I got off probation, I sold my house and moved to California. I was at the registration office for 3 hours in San Diego.</p>
<p>The Registration officer went over all the rules and asked me &#8220;Are you sure you want to be this far from your family living in Worse conditions than you left?&#8221; (Their registry was as bad if not worse at the time than Florida&#8217;s) I clearly did not think this through properly and after 3 days of trying to get my rent deposit back, I came home.</p>
<p>What is funny is the way I got my deposit back. I did not inform them I was on the registry because I thought I didn&#8217;t have to be on it when I moved to Cali. When they refused to return my deposit, I told them, &#8220;OK but you cannot kick me out and keep my deposit once you find out I am a registered sex offender right?&#8221; After verifying that, I got a check within an hour LOL</p>
<p>My Point is, if you are trying to get away from this crap in Florida, realize many states make you go by what your state mandates. You might end up moving into a hornets nest. At least I know what to expect here, that is until the Sheriff&#8217;s harassment squads do their illegal &amp; immoral &#8220;Operation save the World from the freaks&#8221; tour.</p>
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		By: JZ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-2/#comment-43173</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2021 01:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So with a 2006 conviction, is it time for me to pack up and head for the U.P.?

Or does Michigan have the multi-state carve out that states if you are still on your state of origin registry, you must go on Michigan&#039;s?

This carve-out makes it nearly impossible to leave Floriduh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So with a 2006 conviction, is it time for me to pack up and head for the U.P.?</p>
<p>Or does Michigan have the multi-state carve out that states if you are still on your state of origin registry, you must go on Michigan&#8217;s?</p>
<p>This carve-out makes it nearly impossible to leave Floriduh.</p>
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		By: Will Allen		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-43172</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2021 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-43160&quot;&gt;Florida Action Committee&lt;/a&gt;.

FAC likely already knows this but apparently they could likely get their hands on the list of internet identifiers for all people Registered with Floriduh. I say that because of the law &quot;943.0437 Commercial social networking websites&quot;. I&#039;d actually expect that any person could just meet the requirements of that law and then get the full list. Do you personally want the list? Check out the law.

Would the law allow a person to email every email address on the list? The law says what a recipient of the list &quot;may&quot; do with the list, but it does not say that is all they can do or anything they can&#039;t. So just wondering.

At the very least, I think if FAC ever wanted to have a &quot;verified user&quot; feature of this website, they could do it via that list.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-43160">Florida Action Committee</a>.</p>
<p>FAC likely already knows this but apparently they could likely get their hands on the list of internet identifiers for all people Registered with Floriduh. I say that because of the law &#8220;943.0437 Commercial social networking websites&#8221;. I&#8217;d actually expect that any person could just meet the requirements of that law and then get the full list. Do you personally want the list? Check out the law.</p>
<p>Would the law allow a person to email every email address on the list? The law says what a recipient of the list &#8220;may&#8221; do with the list, but it does not say that is all they can do or anything they can&#8217;t. So just wondering.</p>
<p>At the very least, I think if FAC ever wanted to have a &#8220;verified user&#8221; feature of this website, they could do it via that list.</p>
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		By: Will Allen		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-43171</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-43160&quot;&gt;Florida Action Committee&lt;/a&gt;.

One thing that I find insane about the idiotic Registry laws is that if they only made the laws more fair, clear, and sensible, they could get people to actually follow them. Take me, for example - I will never Register in Floriduh. Never. If they made the process reasonable and in such a way that it didn&#039;t kick off all kinds of BS, perhaps I would. I guess they just don&#039;t care that much about actually getting people Registered. Perhaps they are trying to discourage people from messing with it? I&#039;m certain they try to coerce People Forced to Register (PFR) to never travel. I&#039;m sure of that.

There is no legitimate or sensible reason to require a visiting person to visit the criminal regime at the start of a trip/vacation to Floriduh and also at the end. Everything could be done at the start. No legitimate reason other than to give them busy-work to justify their &quot;jobs&quot;. Additionally, what information is a visiting PFR forced to give them? I would bet that it is more than what is required where I live. I could never be sure I was bringing enough information (e.g. would they want email addresses from a visitor?!!). Additionally, how long would it take it physically sit in a room at their prescribed hours, wait for them and everyone else, and then very likely fill out forms (!!!!!) with a pen!!?? I&#039;m done filling out forms of redundant, idiotic information. They need to get out of the 1990s. Do they actually keep all those papers!?

If they wanted to encourage people to Register, they would do all of it online. There is no reason I should have to fill out any personal information at all. Isn&#039;t it all already in the giant &quot;protect the children&quot; Registries? It is supposed to be. I should be able to go onto a secure website and login to my personal Registration account and set a notification of traveling. That could then automatically kicks off notifications to the local law enforcement criminals and any busybodies that have signed up for &quot;alerts&quot;, lol. I should be able to do that in 10 minutes. Anything less than that is pathetic and big government incompetent. Just what is expected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-43160">Florida Action Committee</a>.</p>
<p>One thing that I find insane about the idiotic Registry laws is that if they only made the laws more fair, clear, and sensible, they could get people to actually follow them. Take me, for example &#8211; I will never Register in Floriduh. Never. If they made the process reasonable and in such a way that it didn&#8217;t kick off all kinds of BS, perhaps I would. I guess they just don&#8217;t care that much about actually getting people Registered. Perhaps they are trying to discourage people from messing with it? I&#8217;m certain they try to coerce People Forced to Register (PFR) to never travel. I&#8217;m sure of that.</p>
<p>There is no legitimate or sensible reason to require a visiting person to visit the criminal regime at the start of a trip/vacation to Floriduh and also at the end. Everything could be done at the start. No legitimate reason other than to give them busy-work to justify their &#8220;jobs&#8221;. Additionally, what information is a visiting PFR forced to give them? I would bet that it is more than what is required where I live. I could never be sure I was bringing enough information (e.g. would they want email addresses from a visitor?!!). Additionally, how long would it take it physically sit in a room at their prescribed hours, wait for them and everyone else, and then very likely fill out forms (!!!!!) with a pen!!?? I&#8217;m done filling out forms of redundant, idiotic information. They need to get out of the 1990s. Do they actually keep all those papers!?</p>
<p>If they wanted to encourage people to Register, they would do all of it online. There is no reason I should have to fill out any personal information at all. Isn&#8217;t it all already in the giant &#8220;protect the children&#8221; Registries? It is supposed to be. I should be able to go onto a secure website and login to my personal Registration account and set a notification of traveling. That could then automatically kicks off notifications to the local law enforcement criminals and any busybodies that have signed up for &#8220;alerts&#8221;, lol. I should be able to do that in 10 minutes. Anything less than that is pathetic and big government incompetent. Just what is expected.</p>
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		By: Will Allen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-43160&quot;&gt;Florida Action Committee&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks to all for the responses. It is crazy that there is a written law that is not known or understood. I guess that is okay because I just need to know that I won&#039;t be establishing any residence or registering. The &quot;48 hours to report&quot; part isn&#039;t going to matter.

It is hilarious to me that the criminal regime has written such lengthy, convoluted nonsense and yet it is still not 100% clear exactly what it is saying. Maybe they should write more? That will fix it. Could you imagine serving any real, paying customer like they serve citizens/taxpayers? I guarantee I could easily find a couple of high school students that could write a better, more complete, very comprehensible law for this nonsense. Maybe the criminal regime can only attract &quot;politically minded&quot; employees?

I&#039;d just like to add that I probably never would talk to FDLE or any other law enforcement about what the Registry forces. I&#039;ve seen decades of proof that those people are simply not capable of operating within the law. Also, as often as not, they will just tell you however they want the laws to work, rather than what the law actually is. I wouldn&#039;t trust them to tell me what time it is. Additionally, NONE of them should ever be giving out such information over the phone anyway. That is guaranteed to cause problems, for all kinds of reasons. It would be much better if they simply had a very good web site and directed all inquires to it. In the off-chance that a person can&#039;t access a web site, law enforcement should read the web site contents directly to the person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-43160">Florida Action Committee</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks to all for the responses. It is crazy that there is a written law that is not known or understood. I guess that is okay because I just need to know that I won&#8217;t be establishing any residence or registering. The &#8220;48 hours to report&#8221; part isn&#8217;t going to matter.</p>
<p>It is hilarious to me that the criminal regime has written such lengthy, convoluted nonsense and yet it is still not 100% clear exactly what it is saying. Maybe they should write more? That will fix it. Could you imagine serving any real, paying customer like they serve citizens/taxpayers? I guarantee I could easily find a couple of high school students that could write a better, more complete, very comprehensible law for this nonsense. Maybe the criminal regime can only attract &#8220;politically minded&#8221; employees?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to add that I probably never would talk to FDLE or any other law enforcement about what the Registry forces. I&#8217;ve seen decades of proof that those people are simply not capable of operating within the law. Also, as often as not, they will just tell you however they want the laws to work, rather than what the law actually is. I wouldn&#8217;t trust them to tell me what time it is. Additionally, NONE of them should ever be giving out such information over the phone anyway. That is guaranteed to cause problems, for all kinds of reasons. It would be much better if they simply had a very good web site and directed all inquires to it. In the off-chance that a person can&#8217;t access a web site, law enforcement should read the web site contents directly to the person.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2021 19:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-43168&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

Fees For Florida Drivers License
New Florida Drivers License (original class E license) - $48
Learners Drivers License - $48
Class E Renewal - $48
Class D Drivers License Renewal - $15
Commercial Drivers License - $75
*Duplicate License for a Lost License - $25
Replacement for Stolen License (if police report is filed) - No Fee
*Replacement for License with Incorrect Information - $25]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-43168">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>Fees For Florida Drivers License<br />
New Florida Drivers License (original class E license) &#8211; $48<br />
Learners Drivers License &#8211; $48<br />
Class E Renewal &#8211; $48<br />
Class D Drivers License Renewal &#8211; $15<br />
Commercial Drivers License &#8211; $75<br />
*Duplicate License for a Lost License &#8211; $25<br />
Replacement for Stolen License (if police report is filed) &#8211; No Fee<br />
*Replacement for License with Incorrect Information &#8211; $25</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2021 19:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/michigans-pre-2021-sora-is-declared-to-be-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-43167&quot;&gt;Angela Lutz&lt;/a&gt;.

In Florida it is $25

&quot;You&#039;ll need to provide your: Florida driver license or ID card number. Date of birth. Last 4 digits of your Social Security number (SSN). Payment for the $25 fee. See the “ Fees to Change Your Address in FL&quot;]]></description>
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<p>In Florida it is $25</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;ll need to provide your: Florida driver license or ID card number. Date of birth. Last 4 digits of your Social Security number (SSN). Payment for the $25 fee. See the “ Fees to Change Your Address in FL&#8221;</p>
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