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	Comments on: MO: Registrant held on $25,000 cash-only bond for handing out candy on Halloween.	</title>
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		By: Candice		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Candice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2022 02:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like to see him keep his mouth shut and this case go all the way to the Supreme Court. Many of the points made here are good points to make during litigation. I would also like to see a lot more publicity on this. Most of the people I have spoken to have no idea what all PFRs go through and are usually very surprised by what they find out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see him keep his mouth shut and this case go all the way to the Supreme Court. Many of the points made here are good points to make during litigation. I would also like to see a lot more publicity on this. Most of the people I have spoken to have no idea what all PFRs go through and are usually very surprised by what they find out.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2022 14:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mo-registrant-held-on-25000-cash-only-bond-for-handing-out-candy-on-halloween/comment-page-1/#comment-53513&quot;&gt;Tired Of Being Mistreated&lt;/a&gt;.

And that was all I was trying to say as well. If he wants to be a martyr and fall on the sword, that is on him, but yes, this gives law enforcement more fuel to grandstand and make an example of him. 
I understand the anger when one of us gets arrested, but if you want to buck the law, you are hurting every single one of us that is trying to do this the right way. Many of us are reaching threshold where we can petition to get removed, but when people make bad examples of how we act, it is not helping a single person. 
The thing I do agree on, is a $25,000 cash bond is less than I have seen some accused homicide suspects get. I guess the way we are treated I am surprised they did not slap him with no bond. I for one do not have that money nor do my parents, NOR would I ask my parents to do that.

Who is bonding this guy out? Was taking a stand to hand out candy worth it? I am not a hypocrite, but I would have been more sympathetic to him if he was refusing to hang the no candy sign (While complying with not handing out candy). A judge may have been more understanding on the sign (As that is supposedly compelled speech). But now, I just wish him well, he has a long road ahead.
And no, I do not feel he helped our cause one bit. Just the opposite. When we become radicals, then we will not be taken seriously on any level. Again there are those in here who have agreed with me and some who have not, and it shows just how divided we are on some issues. 
Again, I never said I agree that the guy (If off probation) should be banned from handing out candy, but if that is the ordinance, why do some say he did nothing wrong? I am allowed to hand out candy but I choose not to, that way no family that is out to get me can&#039;t &quot;set me up.&quot; The guy was just asking for trouble.
&quot;Hey, hey, yo, yo, the registry has to go&quot; That is what we all agree on.

And call me whatever name you want, I am done on this subject, stay blessed. Don&#039;t lose your mind over someone else&#039;s mistakes.
F.A.C said they will use money to sue over the Halloween signs, and I agree with that. But I doubt they are going to fight for us to hand out candy. To me that is a waste of resources, the signs are not. Although I do not hand out candy, if the signs catch on, we could be next to get signs even though we already comply. 
DONT FALL FOR ENTRAPMENT. Don&#039;t pass go, go directly to jail otherwise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mo-registrant-held-on-25000-cash-only-bond-for-handing-out-candy-on-halloween/comment-page-1/#comment-53513">Tired Of Being Mistreated</a>.</p>
<p>And that was all I was trying to say as well. If he wants to be a martyr and fall on the sword, that is on him, but yes, this gives law enforcement more fuel to grandstand and make an example of him.<br />
I understand the anger when one of us gets arrested, but if you want to buck the law, you are hurting every single one of us that is trying to do this the right way. Many of us are reaching threshold where we can petition to get removed, but when people make bad examples of how we act, it is not helping a single person.<br />
The thing I do agree on, is a $25,000 cash bond is less than I have seen some accused homicide suspects get. I guess the way we are treated I am surprised they did not slap him with no bond. I for one do not have that money nor do my parents, NOR would I ask my parents to do that.</p>
<p>Who is bonding this guy out? Was taking a stand to hand out candy worth it? I am not a hypocrite, but I would have been more sympathetic to him if he was refusing to hang the no candy sign (While complying with not handing out candy). A judge may have been more understanding on the sign (As that is supposedly compelled speech). But now, I just wish him well, he has a long road ahead.<br />
And no, I do not feel he helped our cause one bit. Just the opposite. When we become radicals, then we will not be taken seriously on any level. Again there are those in here who have agreed with me and some who have not, and it shows just how divided we are on some issues.<br />
Again, I never said I agree that the guy (If off probation) should be banned from handing out candy, but if that is the ordinance, why do some say he did nothing wrong? I am allowed to hand out candy but I choose not to, that way no family that is out to get me can&#8217;t &#8220;set me up.&#8221; The guy was just asking for trouble.<br />
&#8220;Hey, hey, yo, yo, the registry has to go&#8221; That is what we all agree on.</p>
<p>And call me whatever name you want, I am done on this subject, stay blessed. Don&#8217;t lose your mind over someone else&#8217;s mistakes.<br />
F.A.C said they will use money to sue over the Halloween signs, and I agree with that. But I doubt they are going to fight for us to hand out candy. To me that is a waste of resources, the signs are not. Although I do not hand out candy, if the signs catch on, we could be next to get signs even though we already comply.<br />
DONT FALL FOR ENTRAPMENT. Don&#8217;t pass go, go directly to jail otherwise.</p>
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		By: Dustin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dustin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2022 10:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mo-registrant-held-on-25000-cash-only-bond-for-handing-out-candy-on-halloween/comment-page-1/#comment-53501&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

CJ:

I rather think that it&#039;s more along the lines of refusal to be ostracized from society than simply giving candy on Halloween.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mo-registrant-held-on-25000-cash-only-bond-for-handing-out-candy-on-halloween/comment-page-1/#comment-53501">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>CJ:</p>
<p>I rather think that it&#8217;s more along the lines of refusal to be ostracized from society than simply giving candy on Halloween.</p>
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		By: Tired Of Being Mistreated		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tired Of Being Mistreated]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2022 06:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mo-registrant-held-on-25000-cash-only-bond-for-handing-out-candy-on-halloween/comment-page-1/#comment-53498&quot;&gt;Disgusted in Michigan&lt;/a&gt;.

They also have video of him &quot;Breaking The Law&quot; !!!. If you Break into a House, But don&#039;t &quot;Steal&quot; anything, Are you &quot;Free&quot; or will you be Arrested for &quot;Burglary&quot; of a Structure !?!?!?. Yep, You still going to jail !!. Trust me, We ALL want to &quot;DEFY THIS STUPID REGISTRY&quot; , But choosing to March in the Streets is &quot;LEGAL&quot; , But BREAKING a Current WELL KNOWN AND ADVERTISED Law, is NOT the way to do it !!. I hope the Courts have PITY on him, But he will probably be &quot;USED AS AN EXAMPLE&quot; And Thrown Under The Jail/Prison !!. Breaking ANY laws, No matter how Stupid or &quot;Against Our Rights&quot; they are, Is NOT how to Fight this Fight !!. I don&#039;t know How to FIGHT without LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of Money, But his way wasn&#039;t smart !. It hurts ALL of us !!. I wish him the Absolute Best. And wish I could do more to help !.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mo-registrant-held-on-25000-cash-only-bond-for-handing-out-candy-on-halloween/comment-page-1/#comment-53498">Disgusted in Michigan</a>.</p>
<p>They also have video of him &#8220;Breaking The Law&#8221; !!!. If you Break into a House, But don&#8217;t &#8220;Steal&#8221; anything, Are you &#8220;Free&#8221; or will you be Arrested for &#8220;Burglary&#8221; of a Structure !?!?!?. Yep, You still going to jail !!. Trust me, We ALL want to &#8220;DEFY THIS STUPID REGISTRY&#8221; , But choosing to March in the Streets is &#8220;LEGAL&#8221; , But BREAKING a Current WELL KNOWN AND ADVERTISED Law, is NOT the way to do it !!. I hope the Courts have PITY on him, But he will probably be &#8220;USED AS AN EXAMPLE&#8221; And Thrown Under The Jail/Prison !!. Breaking ANY laws, No matter how Stupid or &#8220;Against Our Rights&#8221; they are, Is NOT how to Fight this Fight !!. I don&#8217;t know How to FIGHT without LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of Money, But his way wasn&#8217;t smart !. It hurts ALL of us !!. I wish him the Absolute Best. And wish I could do more to help !.</p>
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		By: Candice		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Candice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2022 04:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mo-registrant-held-on-25000-cash-only-bond-for-handing-out-candy-on-halloween/comment-page-2/#comment-53508&quot;&gt;Anthony&lt;/a&gt;.

My thoughts exactly!! This is yet more proof that these laws are punishment and NOT in the interest of safety.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mo-registrant-held-on-25000-cash-only-bond-for-handing-out-candy-on-halloween/comment-page-2/#comment-53508">Anthony</a>.</p>
<p>My thoughts exactly!! This is yet more proof that these laws are punishment and NOT in the interest of safety.</p>
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		By: F the Reg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F the Reg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mo-registrant-held-on-25000-cash-only-bond-for-handing-out-candy-on-halloween/comment-page-1/#comment-53506&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

Cherokeejack, yes we can agree to disagree. I respect a person for refusing to follow a law that is obviously unjust. Maybe he did it out of stupidity, or maybe he did it because he do not want to be pushed around anymore. I hope he chooses to fight the law because I believe that every battle is good for our cause. Maybe you are ok with the probation-like restrictions but I am not. I don’t care if it is just one night per year. I don’t consider that to be radical behavior.  I think it’s civil disobedience. F*** the Registry and all the f****** that support it. No, I don’t expect FAC to bail him out.. he is in Missouri, not FL. and FAC is not in the business of making bail for us anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mo-registrant-held-on-25000-cash-only-bond-for-handing-out-candy-on-halloween/comment-page-1/#comment-53506">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>Cherokeejack, yes we can agree to disagree. I respect a person for refusing to follow a law that is obviously unjust. Maybe he did it out of stupidity, or maybe he did it because he do not want to be pushed around anymore. I hope he chooses to fight the law because I believe that every battle is good for our cause. Maybe you are ok with the probation-like restrictions but I am not. I don’t care if it is just one night per year. I don’t consider that to be radical behavior.  I think it’s civil disobedience. F*** the Registry and all the f****** that support it. No, I don’t expect FAC to bail him out.. he is in Missouri, not FL. and FAC is not in the business of making bail for us anyway.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2022 00:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mo-registrant-held-on-25000-cash-only-bond-for-handing-out-candy-on-halloween/comment-page-2/#comment-53508&quot;&gt;Anthony&lt;/a&gt;.

Anthony

Having worked in law enforcement in the past, perhaps they had to meet with the attorney that represents the department/city and come up with charges that would stick. Getting their ducks in the row.
Meanwhile there were probably drive by shootings, robberies and other crimes happening that had a delayed response because half the department was on candy patrol enforcement. I have seen both sides of the law now and neither of them are good.

LEOs can legally get away with so much that the common citizen cannot. For example, here in Florida, one of our Sheriff&#039;s (Not a sheriff&#039;s deputy but THE sheriff) went on vacation off duty and forgot he had his concealed weapon on him. TSA caught him and decided to let him take his weapon to his car or store it in a locker.

The same week, same airport, a citizen with a concealed weapons permit, also forgot he had his weapon on him. You cannot have a permit unless you have no felonies, and this man was not a felon. But unlike the Sheriff, his forgetfulness led to a stay at the jail.

Incidents of entitlement are one of many reasons I left. I did not want to live the lie that so many cops, deputies, troopers and agents live.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/mo-registrant-held-on-25000-cash-only-bond-for-handing-out-candy-on-halloween/comment-page-2/#comment-53508">Anthony</a>.</p>
<p>Anthony</p>
<p>Having worked in law enforcement in the past, perhaps they had to meet with the attorney that represents the department/city and come up with charges that would stick. Getting their ducks in the row.<br />
Meanwhile there were probably drive by shootings, robberies and other crimes happening that had a delayed response because half the department was on candy patrol enforcement. I have seen both sides of the law now and neither of them are good.</p>
<p>LEOs can legally get away with so much that the common citizen cannot. For example, here in Florida, one of our Sheriff&#8217;s (Not a sheriff&#8217;s deputy but THE sheriff) went on vacation off duty and forgot he had his concealed weapon on him. TSA caught him and decided to let him take his weapon to his car or store it in a locker.</p>
<p>The same week, same airport, a citizen with a concealed weapons permit, also forgot he had his weapon on him. You cannot have a permit unless you have no felonies, and this man was not a felon. But unlike the Sheriff, his forgetfulness led to a stay at the jail.</p>
<p>Incidents of entitlement are one of many reasons I left. I did not want to live the lie that so many cops, deputies, troopers and agents live.</p>
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		By: DavidM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavidM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 21:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dustin
 Good point, sounds like just good old fashioned  harassment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dustin<br />
 Good point, sounds like just good old fashioned  harassment.</p>
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		By: Anthony		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If he was such a threat to children, why did the police film him on Monday (Halloween, or do they do it over the weekend there?), wait until Wednesday to get the warrant, and then not arrest him until Friday?  If he was really a threat, they should have arrested him on the spot when he was handing out candy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he was such a threat to children, why did the police film him on Monday (Halloween, or do they do it over the weekend there?), wait until Wednesday to get the warrant, and then not arrest him until Friday?  If he was really a threat, they should have arrested him on the spot when he was handing out candy.</p>
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		By: Dustin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dustin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 18:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CherokeeJack has a point regarding blatant disregard for the law. On the other hand, some audacity is needed in this movement. We&#039;ve all seen times where valid claims are dismissed as &quot;not ripe for challenge&quot; or whatever other phrase used to say no harm was done because of this rule/law/ordinance, so there&#039;s nothing to resolve. Unfortunately, that often translates into someone having to fall on the sword.

I hope this guy is able to hire an attorney or that there&#039;s an anti-registry organization in Missouri that can help him. This statute can be fought.

&lt;strong&gt;589.426. Halloween, restrictions on conduct — violations, penalty.&lt;/strong&gt; — 1. Any person required to register as a sexual offender under sections 589.400 to 589.425 shall be required on October thirty-first of each year to:

(1) Avoid all Halloween-related contact with children;
&lt;em&gt;simply absurd. There are no restrictions of contact with minors on any other day.&lt;/em&gt;

(2) Remain inside his or her residence between the hours of 5 p.m. and 10:30 p.m. unless required to be elsewhere for just cause, including but not limited to employment or medical emergencies;
&lt;em&gt;house arrest without probable cause. 4th Amendment violation, I would think.&lt;/em&gt;

(3) Post a sign at his or her residence stating, &quot;No candy or treats at this residence&quot;; and
&lt;em&gt;Already defeated on 1st Amendment grounds.&lt;/em&gt;

(4) Leave all outside residential lighting off during the evening hours after 5 p.m.
&lt;em&gt;compromises the home&#039;s private security, potentially leaving its occupants open to vandalism and torts from passersby.&lt;/em&gt;


Any person required to register as a sexual offender under sections 589.400 to 589.425 who violates the provisions of subsection 1 of this section shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
&lt;em&gt;There&#039;s nothing in the statutes regarding bail amounts. But $25k for a misdemeanor is pretty excessive.&lt;/em&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CherokeeJack has a point regarding blatant disregard for the law. On the other hand, some audacity is needed in this movement. We&#8217;ve all seen times where valid claims are dismissed as &#8220;not ripe for challenge&#8221; or whatever other phrase used to say no harm was done because of this rule/law/ordinance, so there&#8217;s nothing to resolve. Unfortunately, that often translates into someone having to fall on the sword.</p>
<p>I hope this guy is able to hire an attorney or that there&#8217;s an anti-registry organization in Missouri that can help him. This statute can be fought.</p>
<p><strong>589.426. Halloween, restrictions on conduct — violations, penalty.</strong> — 1. Any person required to register as a sexual offender under sections 589.400 to 589.425 shall be required on October thirty-first of each year to:</p>
<p>(1) Avoid all Halloween-related contact with children;<br />
<em>simply absurd. There are no restrictions of contact with minors on any other day.</em></p>
<p>(2) Remain inside his or her residence between the hours of 5 p.m. and 10:30 p.m. unless required to be elsewhere for just cause, including but not limited to employment or medical emergencies;<br />
<em>house arrest without probable cause. 4th Amendment violation, I would think.</em></p>
<p>(3) Post a sign at his or her residence stating, &#8220;No candy or treats at this residence&#8221;; and<br />
<em>Already defeated on 1st Amendment grounds.</em></p>
<p>(4) Leave all outside residential lighting off during the evening hours after 5 p.m.<br />
<em>compromises the home&#8217;s private security, potentially leaving its occupants open to vandalism and torts from passersby.</em></p>
<p>Any person required to register as a sexual offender under sections 589.400 to 589.425 who violates the provisions of subsection 1 of this section shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor.<br />
<em>There&#8217;s nothing in the statutes regarding bail amounts. But $25k for a misdemeanor is pretty excessive.</em></p>
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