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	Comments on: Ohio haunted house incident brings focus on proposed bill.	</title>
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	<description>Reforming Florida’s Sex Offender Registry Laws</description>
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		By: Roger L		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52759</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52758&quot;&gt;jm from wi&lt;/a&gt;.

Perhaps there needs to be a registry of people who do by their own admission do not have the skills to work with people on the registry. 
 You can ask prospective candidates questions like, &quot;Are you able to work with people who smoke cigarettes, have a criminal background or identify as Trump supporters?

If they answer &#039;no&#039; to any of the questions, they can be put on a registry of people who do not have the people skills necessary to work with the public or employees who may include members of those sub-groups.  May I point out that it is unlikely the patrons at the haunted house attraction were subject to a background check either.  I am not sure why in 2022 parents are so much more trusting of carnival workers than they were decades ago.  In previous generations, parents would not entrust random carnival workers to supervise their children in lieu of a parent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52758">jm from wi</a>.</p>
<p>Perhaps there needs to be a registry of people who do by their own admission do not have the skills to work with people on the registry.<br />
 You can ask prospective candidates questions like, &#8220;Are you able to work with people who smoke cigarettes, have a criminal background or identify as Trump supporters?</p>
<p>If they answer &#8216;no&#8217; to any of the questions, they can be put on a registry of people who do not have the people skills necessary to work with the public or employees who may include members of those sub-groups.  May I point out that it is unlikely the patrons at the haunted house attraction were subject to a background check either.  I am not sure why in 2022 parents are so much more trusting of carnival workers than they were decades ago.  In previous generations, parents would not entrust random carnival workers to supervise their children in lieu of a parent.</p>
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		By: jm from wi		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52758</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jm from wi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2022 17:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is the synopsis of Wisconsin&#039;s legislation. 
---Wisconsin State Statute 948.13 prohibits registered sex offenders convicted of a
serious child sex offense from working or volunteering, paid or unpaid, in a position that requires them
to work or interact primarily and directly with children under the age of 16. Types of activities include:
teaching children, child care, youth counseling, youth organizations, coaching children, park or
playground recreation working, or school bus driving.---
With the above law in place in Wi. our lot is different. The law only applies to most registrants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the synopsis of Wisconsin&#8217;s legislation.<br />
&#8212;Wisconsin State Statute 948.13 prohibits registered sex offenders convicted of a<br />
serious child sex offense from working or volunteering, paid or unpaid, in a position that requires them<br />
to work or interact primarily and directly with children under the age of 16. Types of activities include:<br />
teaching children, child care, youth counseling, youth organizations, coaching children, park or<br />
playground recreation working, or school bus driving.&#8212;<br />
With the above law in place in Wi. our lot is different. The law only applies to most registrants.</p>
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		By: Ed C		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52757</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2022 13:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It sounds like HB 459 is a golden opportunity for those advocating truth and SO rights.  Citizens, whether registered or not, have the right to attend legislative sessions.  When the bill is raised in committees be there and challenge the sponsors to justify exactly how the law contributes to public safety or any other public good.  Of course they can&#039;t because they have no factual foundation.

The bill may very well become law based on moral panic alone.  But legislators will be put on record, and will invariably say (or be led to say) something that could be later useful in court proceedings.  Courts most often defer to the bald assertions made by legislators in legislative findings.  It is time to undermine these with their own words.

This approach is tough because no one wants the visibility.  I must say that I find courage in the video clip of Capt. Munsey facing off with that nitwit city counselor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like HB 459 is a golden opportunity for those advocating truth and SO rights.  Citizens, whether registered or not, have the right to attend legislative sessions.  When the bill is raised in committees be there and challenge the sponsors to justify exactly how the law contributes to public safety or any other public good.  Of course they can&#8217;t because they have no factual foundation.</p>
<p>The bill may very well become law based on moral panic alone.  But legislators will be put on record, and will invariably say (or be led to say) something that could be later useful in court proceedings.  Courts most often defer to the bald assertions made by legislators in legislative findings.  It is time to undermine these with their own words.</p>
<p>This approach is tough because no one wants the visibility.  I must say that I find courage in the video clip of Capt. Munsey facing off with that nitwit city counselor.</p>
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		By: Concerned		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52756</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Concerned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2022 08:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52740&quot;&gt;Kevin&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with Kevin on many of his points. First, the two should have maintained their registry compliance. If that would have caused them to be fired, better just fired and not fired AND arrested. Better yet, don’t put yourself in a position where there would be obvious objections from parents and the community. You’re not going to win supporters that way, at least not from me. They are not in any way akin to Rosa Parks fighting for the right to a seat on the bus.

Yes these two deserve the right to earn a living, but you can’t really make that argument for a temporary seasonal job like this haunted house, which would be teaming with kids at that. If they were yanked from a grocery store where they worked as a cashier or stock person, I could stand behind that person’s right to work, but personally, this is not the hill I would choose to die on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52740">Kevin</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with Kevin on many of his points. First, the two should have maintained their registry compliance. If that would have caused them to be fired, better just fired and not fired AND arrested. Better yet, don’t put yourself in a position where there would be obvious objections from parents and the community. You’re not going to win supporters that way, at least not from me. They are not in any way akin to Rosa Parks fighting for the right to a seat on the bus.</p>
<p>Yes these two deserve the right to earn a living, but you can’t really make that argument for a temporary seasonal job like this haunted house, which would be teaming with kids at that. If they were yanked from a grocery store where they worked as a cashier or stock person, I could stand behind that person’s right to work, but personally, this is not the hill I would choose to die on.</p>
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		By: LPH		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-52755</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LPH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2022 16:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-52736&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

sigh
made me smile anyway]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-52736">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>sigh<br />
made me smile anyway</p>
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		By: LPH		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52754</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LPH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2022 16:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52745&quot;&gt;Dustin&lt;/a&gt;.

First:
Dustin says &quot;There wasn’t anything illegal about their employment there. Nothing in the story indicates these guys were doing anything wrong.&quot;

The article says &quot;Ultimately the two employees were fired and now the news media brought it to the local police who indicate they are going to arrest the men (not because they did anything, but because they failed to register their employment at the haunted house).&quot;

They DID allegedly do something wrong by not reporting where they worked and THAT led to them being arrested.

Second:
Thanks to Ms Busybody these two men, after and if they get out of jail, have less needed money only to now possibly roam the street with hate on their minds looking for someone and/or something to retaliate against.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52745">Dustin</a>.</p>
<p>First:<br />
Dustin says &#8220;There wasn’t anything illegal about their employment there. Nothing in the story indicates these guys were doing anything wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>The article says &#8220;Ultimately the two employees were fired and now the news media brought it to the local police who indicate they are going to arrest the men (not because they did anything, but because they failed to register their employment at the haunted house).&#8221;</p>
<p>They DID allegedly do something wrong by not reporting where they worked and THAT led to them being arrested.</p>
<p>Second:<br />
Thanks to Ms Busybody these two men, after and if they get out of jail, have less needed money only to now possibly roam the street with hate on their minds looking for someone and/or something to retaliate against.</p>
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		By: Jacob		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52753</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2022 13:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52751&quot;&gt;FAC Contributor #3&lt;/a&gt;.

I suspect Dustin’s advice would result in more arrests, more public humiliation in the news media, and more public support for law enforcement budgets. Registrants seeking to express defiance in this way may find that their defiant message is not getting through.  Living next to a playground on purpose won’t send the message you think it will.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52751">FAC Contributor #3</a>.</p>
<p>I suspect Dustin’s advice would result in more arrests, more public humiliation in the news media, and more public support for law enforcement budgets. Registrants seeking to express defiance in this way may find that their defiant message is not getting through.  Living next to a playground on purpose won’t send the message you think it will.</p>
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		By: obvious answers		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52752</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[obvious answers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2022 13:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Karrrrrreeeeeennnnnnnn!!! And we all know you are pounding your chest and bragging to the world how you took the food off the table and starved the children of those two men whose only crime was to work and support their family&#039;s.. What a wonderful dump of a country america has became.. Sure glad to see more wonderful examples like this that prove how punitive the registry isn&#039;t.. Supreme Court Toilet better get some more of those National Enquirer toilet magazines out to defend their decisions....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karrrrrreeeeeennnnnnnn!!! And we all know you are pounding your chest and bragging to the world how you took the food off the table and starved the children of those two men whose only crime was to work and support their family&#8217;s.. What a wonderful dump of a country america has became.. Sure glad to see more wonderful examples like this that prove how punitive the registry isn&#8217;t.. Supreme Court Toilet better get some more of those National Enquirer toilet magazines out to defend their decisions&#8230;.</p>
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		By: FAC Contributor #3		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52751</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FAC Contributor #3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2022 12:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52750&quot;&gt;Dustin&lt;/a&gt;.

Dustin - I fight harder than 99% of those out there, but there&#039;s a very good reason I have ring cameras covering every inch of the perimeter of my home and it&#039;s not because I&#039;m worried about getting robbed. There are many people looking to jam up a registrant and will make stuff up at the drop of a hat. I&#039;ve seen brazen advocates plucked from another state, put in a dog catcher&#039;s van for weeks, brought to another state, forced to register for life in the other state, held on bond they could not independently afford and then had a case hanging over their head for years (which was eventually dismissed) for something they clearly didn&#039;t do and were not even in the state to do! Ask Derek Logue for more details.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52750">Dustin</a>.</p>
<p>Dustin &#8211; I fight harder than 99% of those out there, but there&#8217;s a very good reason I have ring cameras covering every inch of the perimeter of my home and it&#8217;s not because I&#8217;m worried about getting robbed. There are many people looking to jam up a registrant and will make stuff up at the drop of a hat. I&#8217;ve seen brazen advocates plucked from another state, put in a dog catcher&#8217;s van for weeks, brought to another state, forced to register for life in the other state, held on bond they could not independently afford and then had a case hanging over their head for years (which was eventually dismissed) for something they clearly didn&#8217;t do and were not even in the state to do! Ask Derek Logue for more details.</p>
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		By: Dustin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dustin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2022 03:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52747&quot;&gt;FAC Contributor #3&lt;/a&gt;.

As I stated above, those who are unwilling to stand up for themselves are are perfectly free to do so. I will always support freedom of thought, whatever those thoughts may be.

But supporting such oppressive laws - even tacitly, as here - and advising others to cower to them is something I find very hard to get behind. Meek acceptance of sex offender laws are another reason why they got s out of control. Some brazenness and audacity from registrants is needed if there is the slightest hope of abolishing the registry.

How effective could FAC be if all Florida registrants had Kevin&#039;s mindset? They&#039;d never find a case to take to court if they all merely sat back and hoped things wouldn&#039;t get worse, which they already have and inevitably will continue to do so as long as those affected by these inane laws don&#039;t stand up to fight them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ohio-haunted-house-incident-brings-focus-on-proposed-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-52747">FAC Contributor #3</a>.</p>
<p>As I stated above, those who are unwilling to stand up for themselves are are perfectly free to do so. I will always support freedom of thought, whatever those thoughts may be.</p>
<p>But supporting such oppressive laws &#8211; even tacitly, as here &#8211; and advising others to cower to them is something I find very hard to get behind. Meek acceptance of sex offender laws are another reason why they got s out of control. Some brazenness and audacity from registrants is needed if there is the slightest hope of abolishing the registry.</p>
<p>How effective could FAC be if all Florida registrants had Kevin&#8217;s mindset? They&#8217;d never find a case to take to court if they all merely sat back and hoped things wouldn&#8217;t get worse, which they already have and inevitably will continue to do so as long as those affected by these inane laws don&#8217;t stand up to fight them.</p>
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