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	Comments on: PA: Appellate Court finds registration violates right to reputation under Pennsylvania Constitution in as applied case.	</title>
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		By: Bill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36797&quot;&gt;Dram&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course they are. They could create case law that favors us. But, of course, they could create case law that favors them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36797">Dram</a>.</p>
<p>Of course they are. They could create case law that favors us. But, of course, they could create case law that favors them.</p>
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		By: Dram		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36797</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2020 15:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if the prosecution is having serious discussion over the potential consequences in appealing this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the prosecution is having serious discussion over the potential consequences in appealing this?</p>
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		By: Will Bassler		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36796</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Bassler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In any case that comes before the court one of the primary things that needs to be pointed out is the fact that the recidivism rate for people on the registry that is the reconviction rate is less than 1% in any given year. While the registry increases at a rate of around 66,000+ a year. The second thing is that the state will attempt to use expert witnesses from the pseudoscience area to prove future dangerousness. Of these experts should be forced to meet the Daubert standard. As laid out in the article Ever have Your Fortune Told? (  http://sosen.org/blog/2019/03/17/ever-have-your-fortune-told-3.html ). This takes care of two areas in a challenge against the registry as a whole violating a person&#039;s constitutional right to their reputation and standing in the community.

Simply put a person has a constitutional right to their reputation.
There is no high reconviction rate for people on the registry so the assumption of dangerousness cannot be made. 
Finally attempt to use pseudoscience to prove a person&#039;s dangerousness does not meet the Daubert standard.

Prediction of dangerousness, length of treatment, and psychological damage.  http://sosen.org/blog/2019/03/15/prediction-of-dangerousness-length-of-treatment-and-psychological-damage-3.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In any case that comes before the court one of the primary things that needs to be pointed out is the fact that the recidivism rate for people on the registry that is the reconviction rate is less than 1% in any given year. While the registry increases at a rate of around 66,000+ a year. The second thing is that the state will attempt to use expert witnesses from the pseudoscience area to prove future dangerousness. Of these experts should be forced to meet the Daubert standard. As laid out in the article Ever have Your Fortune Told? (  <a href="http://sosen.org/blog/2019/03/17/ever-have-your-fortune-told-3.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://sosen.org/blog/2019/03/17/ever-have-your-fortune-told-3.html</a> ). This takes care of two areas in a challenge against the registry as a whole violating a person&#8217;s constitutional right to their reputation and standing in the community.</p>
<p>Simply put a person has a constitutional right to their reputation.<br />
There is no high reconviction rate for people on the registry so the assumption of dangerousness cannot be made.<br />
Finally attempt to use pseudoscience to prove a person&#8217;s dangerousness does not meet the Daubert standard.</p>
<p>Prediction of dangerousness, length of treatment, and psychological damage.  <a href="http://sosen.org/blog/2019/03/15/prediction-of-dangerousness-length-of-treatment-and-psychological-damage-3.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://sosen.org/blog/2019/03/15/prediction-of-dangerousness-length-of-treatment-and-psychological-damage-3.html</a></p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36795</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2020 19:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36792&quot;&gt;Detroit&lt;/a&gt;.

Detroit
An attorney I spoke with said you have a way better chance of getting off the registry as an individual than you do as a group. The reason why is, as one person, you are just asking to get removed from it. As a group you are asking for the entire registry to be stopped. 
Obviously easier to sway a judge on one person coming off on their merits than closing down a money making operation. The problem is, a HUGE percentage of us on the registry can barely afford our daily expenses, so most of us cannot pay for a big attorney bill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36792">Detroit</a>.</p>
<p>Detroit<br />
An attorney I spoke with said you have a way better chance of getting off the registry as an individual than you do as a group. The reason why is, as one person, you are just asking to get removed from it. As a group you are asking for the entire registry to be stopped.<br />
Obviously easier to sway a judge on one person coming off on their merits than closing down a money making operation. The problem is, a HUGE percentage of us on the registry can barely afford our daily expenses, so most of us cannot pay for a big attorney bill.</p>
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		By: JohnDoeUtah		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36794</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnDoeUtah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Under most state constitutions, the right to reputation is a either a liberty interest or a property interest (in case law).  It is a &quot;natural right&quot; that is inherent and inalienable.

UTAH Const. Art. I, Section I, &quot;All men have the inherent and inalienable right to enjoy and defend their lives and liberties; to acquire, possess and protect property; to worship according to the dictates of their consciences; to assemble peaceably, protest against wrongs, and petition for redress of grievances; to communicate freely their thoughts and opinions, being responsible for the abuse of that right.&quot;

Utah lost such a case in 2008 because the used to list the “Primary” and “Secondary” victims on an offenders online profile. In State v. Briggs (2008), Mr. Briggs challenged this as a violation of his due process rights because they were depriving him of his inherent LIBERTY interest to reputation without establishing his current dangerousness without a hearing. The Utah Supreme Court agreed, and said the State could only do so after a due process hearing.

Utah took down the information and in the 12 years since has never conducted such hearings. They also put disclaimers on their website that they make no claim of current dangerousness or what type of crimes an offender may commit in the future.

See, also Commonwealth v Gruver (PA 2020), where PA stated it was a PROPERTY interest.

Under federal law there is no such protection. See,  Paul v. Davis, 424 U.S. 693, 96 S.Ct. 1155, 47 L.Ed.2d 405 (1976) (holding mere injury to reputation, even if defamatory, does not constitute the deprivation of a liberty or property interest)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under most state constitutions, the right to reputation is a either a liberty interest or a property interest (in case law).  It is a &#8220;natural right&#8221; that is inherent and inalienable.</p>
<p>UTAH Const. Art. I, Section I, &#8220;All men have the inherent and inalienable right to enjoy and defend their lives and liberties; to acquire, possess and protect property; to worship according to the dictates of their consciences; to assemble peaceably, protest against wrongs, and petition for redress of grievances; to communicate freely their thoughts and opinions, being responsible for the abuse of that right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Utah lost such a case in 2008 because the used to list the “Primary” and “Secondary” victims on an offenders online profile. In State v. Briggs (2008), Mr. Briggs challenged this as a violation of his due process rights because they were depriving him of his inherent LIBERTY interest to reputation without establishing his current dangerousness without a hearing. The Utah Supreme Court agreed, and said the State could only do so after a due process hearing.</p>
<p>Utah took down the information and in the 12 years since has never conducted such hearings. They also put disclaimers on their website that they make no claim of current dangerousness or what type of crimes an offender may commit in the future.</p>
<p>See, also Commonwealth v Gruver (PA 2020), where PA stated it was a PROPERTY interest.</p>
<p>Under federal law there is no such protection. See,  Paul v. Davis, 424 U.S. 693, 96 S.Ct. 1155, 47 L.Ed.2d 405 (1976) (holding mere injury to reputation, even if defamatory, does not constitute the deprivation of a liberty or property interest)</p>
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		By: Jacob		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36793</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2020 14:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36792&quot;&gt;Detroit&lt;/a&gt;.

Does attorneys, in Does v Swearingen (our ex post facto plus challenge), challenge the assumptions underlying the registry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36792">Detroit</a>.</p>
<p>Does attorneys, in Does v Swearingen (our ex post facto plus challenge), challenge the assumptions underlying the registry.</p>
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		By: Detroit		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36792</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Detroit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2020 23:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The main takeaway from this decision is the irrebuttable presumption of dangerousness which can be argued in any state.  The problem with registrant&#039;s attorneys is that they believe they must agree to the underlying assumptions written into these registration schemes in order to prevail on a narrower issue, this is why we are receiving these very limited &quot;victories&quot;.  In order to prevail, registrant&#039;s attorneys must strike at the underlying assumptions written into these laws.
Despite the various victories in the Michigan decisions, the plaintiff&#039;s attorneys agreed to the underlying principles of registration.  The next step is to prove that these underlying assumptions are wrong in order to strike at the very heart of these registration schemes.  I have a fair idea of what is going on in Michigan and can say that efforts are in the planning phase to strike at these underlying assumptions.  Of course, the research takes time but I am confident that Michigan will be the first state to be forced to take down it&#039;s registry in total.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main takeaway from this decision is the irrebuttable presumption of dangerousness which can be argued in any state.  The problem with registrant&#8217;s attorneys is that they believe they must agree to the underlying assumptions written into these registration schemes in order to prevail on a narrower issue, this is why we are receiving these very limited &#8220;victories&#8221;.  In order to prevail, registrant&#8217;s attorneys must strike at the underlying assumptions written into these laws.<br />
Despite the various victories in the Michigan decisions, the plaintiff&#8217;s attorneys agreed to the underlying principles of registration.  The next step is to prove that these underlying assumptions are wrong in order to strike at the very heart of these registration schemes.  I have a fair idea of what is going on in Michigan and can say that efforts are in the planning phase to strike at these underlying assumptions.  Of course, the research takes time but I am confident that Michigan will be the first state to be forced to take down it&#8217;s registry in total.</p>
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		By: Will Bassler		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36791</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Bassler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2020 16:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36790&quot;&gt;Will Bassler&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh one other thing the Hawaii v Bani Case was about community notification and being placed on that community notification. It basically made it so that the state had to prove In court that a person was dangerous before they could place them on community notification.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36790">Will Bassler</a>.</p>
<p>Oh one other thing the Hawaii v Bani Case was about community notification and being placed on that community notification. It basically made it so that the state had to prove In court that a person was dangerous before they could place them on community notification.</p>
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		By: Will Bassler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Bassler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2020 16:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In March 2016 I wrote an article for the front page of SOSEN titled &quot;Your Reputation and Standing are Protected Liberties&quot;( http://sosen.org/blog/2016/03/13/your-reputation-and-standing-are-protected-liberties.html ) in that article I pointed out that A person’s reputation and standing in the community are a protected liberty interest as described by United States Supreme Court rulings as laid out in the Hawaii Supreme Court decision in State of Hawaii v Bani. Below is an excerpt from the Hawaii Supreme Court decision.

The United States Supreme Court has previously recognized that a person’s reputation is a protected liberty interest under the federal due process clause. Wisconsin v. Constantineau, 400 U.S. 433 (1971) (hereafter “Constantineau”); Board of Regents v. Roth, 408 U.S. 564 (1972) amazing after four years someone finally decided to challenge the constitutional issue of damage to the reputation

Perhaps it would be worthwhile for some of the advocacy organizations to read the article and put together a challenge based on the low recidivism and the damage that is done to a person&#039;s protected liberty interest by damaging their reputation and standing in the community.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In March 2016 I wrote an article for the front page of SOSEN titled &#8220;Your Reputation and Standing are Protected Liberties&#8221;( <a href="http://sosen.org/blog/2016/03/13/your-reputation-and-standing-are-protected-liberties.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://sosen.org/blog/2016/03/13/your-reputation-and-standing-are-protected-liberties.html</a> ) in that article I pointed out that A person’s reputation and standing in the community are a protected liberty interest as described by United States Supreme Court rulings as laid out in the Hawaii Supreme Court decision in State of Hawaii v Bani. Below is an excerpt from the Hawaii Supreme Court decision.</p>
<p>The United States Supreme Court has previously recognized that a person’s reputation is a protected liberty interest under the federal due process clause. Wisconsin v. Constantineau, 400 U.S. 433 (1971) (hereafter “Constantineau”); Board of Regents v. Roth, 408 U.S. 564 (1972) amazing after four years someone finally decided to challenge the constitutional issue of damage to the reputation</p>
<p>Perhaps it would be worthwhile for some of the advocacy organizations to read the article and put together a challenge based on the low recidivism and the damage that is done to a person&#8217;s protected liberty interest by damaging their reputation and standing in the community.</p>
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		By: DavidM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavidM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2020 14:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36787&quot;&gt;Florida Action Committee&lt;/a&gt;.

In other words, You only have a chance of doing something about it, for them falsely putting you on the registry if you can get a judge to agree with you ,but if a judge were to agree with you he or she would loose their job.  Great system!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/pa-appellate-court-finds-registration-violates-right-to-reputation-under-pennsylvania-constitution-in-as-applied-case/comment-page-2/#comment-36787">Florida Action Committee</a>.</p>
<p>In other words, You only have a chance of doing something about it, for them falsely putting you on the registry if you can get a judge to agree with you ,but if a judge were to agree with you he or she would loose their job.  Great system!</p>
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