i was not saying that our attorneys are not effective or doing anything to help us. What i was suggesting is that we pool our resources and get a well know attorney like an Allen Dershowitz or somebody of his caliber to tear the registry apart before the supreme court. RSO’s problem is we all have attorneys working for us nationwide but they may not have the experience of a world wide well known attorney. Who if he wins at the highest level will make it easier on all of us nationwide

Maybe we need another lawsuit https://youtu.be/n_cpmKJ93Uo

Pay attention to mark 5:20 since most of not all registrants are on probation it’s considered under sentence, since sending them someplace with out shelter, would violate administrative code. So they could be forced to roll back some of the 2500 foot rolls since maybe they’re legally required to provide housing since we’re under senates. It seems. maybe FAC should contact the news station for more exposure to this crisis.

Oral arguments for Motion Summary Judgement on the Ex Post Facto II case were heard last month and we are awaiting the judge’s opinion. Trial date originally scheduled for 7/17/2023 was postponed. We should have more information on the both Ex Post Facto cases next week.

Horrifying on many levels.

Allan
Yeah, that’s the problem I have. No attorney wants to touch it. I think they’re afraid it’ll give them a bad name if they win.

DavidM I’m sorry you had to go through this. I’d get with Kansas laws an see if MO. was wrong. Florida has it that if you had to register in another state you have to register here. I know people who were convicted in other states before this but didn’t register. They hauled ass to Florida because they were convicted before 10/01/97 but were released after the laws an didn’t have to register as they were leaving the state. I don’t think they allow anyone who has been removed to not register either. Your conviction was after 9/13/94 which was the date of the Federal law. Anyone convicted before this date was granted Due Process. Then it had to be a Tier Level 1 at that. I know there was 528 of us when the Federal law went into effect on 12/10/97 Don’t worry I’m gonna give them a Mike Tyson left hook cause they done screwed the pooch with me. It’s being handled now but damn 39 lawyers turned their backs on it.

Allen I probably am not among those you are looking for. My supposed crime was Dec. 1996. I plead out in September 1997. At the time I had never heard or a SOR. My attorney never said anything nor did the prosecutor nor the Judge. Nobody till they booked me and told me I had to enlist for 10 years as a misdemeanor offense. There was no tier rating at that time in Kansas. No jail time 6 mo. Probation. Not all States adopted the full Federal way of handling it right away. Many took years to initiate. I requested to be removed in Kansas in 2008 and so was removed. But then I moved to Missouri a few miles away and was required to sign up again for Missouri this time. Since then they have changed the way they classify several times so now they say I must register for life. Why is the government allowed to lie to you when you make a plea agreement with them? Why isn’t a signed agreement binding for them ? I

Well pink elephants didn’t commit a crime either but I get your point. As for the moderator’s note YOUR RIGHT! They don’t work because if they did there wouldn’t be a million of us on it 28 years later now would there be? The Registry is not a deterrent as the facts show. We need to build a case that helps stop this madness against us. Flordaa took the Federal law to the extreme and used the 5/17/96 Amendment to enforce public notification on EVERYONE… Anyone convicted before then “might have a case” unless they try an use it retroactive to 9/13/94 which is legal as it is just an amendment to the Federal law. I’m looking for others who are old school retroactive like me who were convicted before 9/13/94. We were granted “Due Process” under state and Federal Constitutional Laws. I have a Civil judgement that states “Not For Public Notification” that FDLE and LCSO took the registry part but refused the rest of it and made it public. It’s coming I’m gonna show that it is punishment. BIG TIME! Finding people who were convicted before the law maybe easy but finding one who is a Tier 1 who has the Civil Judgement on the public registry is hard.

Allan, your post reminds me of the joke where a bartender noticed that every time a certain customer took a sip of beer, he snapped his fingers. Finally the bartender asked why, and the customer replied that it keeps the pink elephants away. The bartender replied that there were not pink elephants. The customer said, “it works doesn’t it?” The registry is very similar. If a crime does not occur it is impossible to know why.

I agree that data and facts should drive the conversation. I also might agree with those who argue that “if it saves one child” the registry is worth it. That can never be demonstrated, but is a useful red herring for those who are pro-registry. What can be demonstrated is that the registry actually harms the children of registrants. Finding people who were convicted prior to the registry’s implementation is not difficult. The problem is that as long as the courts won’t concede that the registry constitutes punishment (some have), any ex post facto argument is dead in the water.