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	Comments on: TN: Bill would allow sex offenders to attend church with permission	</title>
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		By: Still Hopeful...in Fl.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Still Hopeful...in Fl.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jan 2020 03:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29891&quot;&gt;j&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for the info. Not moving right away as I am waiting a few more years until I retire. My wife and I did visit this past year and when I checked in during our vacation there we couldn&#039;t believe how great we were treated and the process. Thank you for your info as it was helpful and yes the good definitely outweighs the bad. I won&#039;t mind the few things that are inconvenient or worse compared to the opportunity to get off the registry altogether.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29891">j</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for the info. Not moving right away as I am waiting a few more years until I retire. My wife and I did visit this past year and when I checked in during our vacation there we couldn&#8217;t believe how great we were treated and the process. Thank you for your info as it was helpful and yes the good definitely outweighs the bad. I won&#8217;t mind the few things that are inconvenient or worse compared to the opportunity to get off the registry altogether.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29892</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jan 2020 00:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29891&quot;&gt;j&lt;/a&gt;.

Just curious how this is better than Florida?

I get a home visit once a year and registration if free. Also the DMV here automatically places the notation on your license without having to ask.
Also you have to be classified for up to 6 months as violent no matter what is not good either. Glad it makes you feel at ease but that would cause me to get as far away from there as possible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29891">j</a>.</p>
<p>Just curious how this is better than Florida?</p>
<p>I get a home visit once a year and registration if free. Also the DMV here automatically places the notation on your license without having to ask.<br />
Also you have to be classified for up to 6 months as violent no matter what is not good either. Glad it makes you feel at ease but that would cause me to get as far away from there as possible.</p>
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		By: j		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29891</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[j]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29890&quot;&gt;Still Hopeful...in Fl.&lt;/a&gt;.

Still Hopeful,

these are same reasons I moved from Fl to TN, a couple of things
1, you still get the visit every 3 months
2, you WILL be classified as VIOLENT, and have to register every 3 months until you are reclassified, and that can take 6 months or longer, during this time, you will have to pay the initial 150.00 registration fee, then you will pay it again in March, and again the month of your birthday ( pay twice a year ) . Once you are reclassified, you pay it once a year, the month of your birthday
3. yes can apply for removal after 5 years on the TN reg.

Where I moved to , I only deal with 1 person, he does the checks every 3 months, and I register with him. Gave me his cell # to text/call should I have a question or problem.

So far, it has been nice, he doesnt bother me, very friendly, yet professional,. you still have to register cars, email. etc.

The DMV was  also good to deal with, was very discrete when I told them I needed to code on my license

I hope this helps you]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29890">Still Hopeful&#8230;in Fl.</a>.</p>
<p>Still Hopeful,</p>
<p>these are same reasons I moved from Fl to TN, a couple of things<br />
1, you still get the visit every 3 months<br />
2, you WILL be classified as VIOLENT, and have to register every 3 months until you are reclassified, and that can take 6 months or longer, during this time, you will have to pay the initial 150.00 registration fee, then you will pay it again in March, and again the month of your birthday ( pay twice a year ) . Once you are reclassified, you pay it once a year, the month of your birthday<br />
3. yes can apply for removal after 5 years on the TN reg.</p>
<p>Where I moved to , I only deal with 1 person, he does the checks every 3 months, and I register with him. Gave me his cell # to text/call should I have a question or problem.</p>
<p>So far, it has been nice, he doesnt bother me, very friendly, yet professional,. you still have to register cars, email. etc.</p>
<p>The DMV was  also good to deal with, was very discrete when I told them I needed to code on my license</p>
<p>I hope this helps you</p>
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		By: Still Hopeful...in Fl.		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29890</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Still Hopeful...in Fl.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2020 02:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29873&quot;&gt;Frustrated&lt;/a&gt;.

We are free to our own opinion. We too are planning to also move to Tennessee and despite this conversation are still planning to do so. As with all situations there is positive and negative. Until this unconstitutional registry is abolished each state and county will have their own garbage made up rules. Yes, Tennessee is far from perfect and although I am in a decent county here in FL. (Hernando) for my wife and I the Positive of the Tennessee Registry requirements far outweighs this state. 1) I would only have to register once per year 2) I would not have the local sheriff pull up to my house every 90 days. Therefore meeting these people a minimum of 6 times per year and having my wife deal with this. 3) In my particular reason to have to register I have the chance of being removed from the registry in 5 to 10 years in Tennessee. 4) If I should age to where my health goes and not able to re register in person, Tennessee is one of many other states which is understanding of this and would not prosecute me. So for my wife and I although we know there might be some things that are worse than Florida the GOOD FAR OUTWEIGHS THE BAD.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29873">Frustrated</a>.</p>
<p>We are free to our own opinion. We too are planning to also move to Tennessee and despite this conversation are still planning to do so. As with all situations there is positive and negative. Until this unconstitutional registry is abolished each state and county will have their own garbage made up rules. Yes, Tennessee is far from perfect and although I am in a decent county here in FL. (Hernando) for my wife and I the Positive of the Tennessee Registry requirements far outweighs this state. 1) I would only have to register once per year 2) I would not have the local sheriff pull up to my house every 90 days. Therefore meeting these people a minimum of 6 times per year and having my wife deal with this. 3) In my particular reason to have to register I have the chance of being removed from the registry in 5 to 10 years in Tennessee. 4) If I should age to where my health goes and not able to re register in person, Tennessee is one of many other states which is understanding of this and would not prosecute me. So for my wife and I although we know there might be some things that are worse than Florida the GOOD FAR OUTWEIGHS THE BAD.</p>
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		By: Capt Charles Munsey Jr. USN Ret		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29889</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Capt Charles Munsey Jr. USN Ret]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2020 01:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29884&quot;&gt;CherokeeJack&lt;/a&gt;.

I know what you are saying about lie detectors.  Years ago when I was required to take those silly tests, the examiner came to the conclusion that I was trying to groom a kid in my church.  Well, such a conclusion really pissed me off.  So in the presence of my counselor and the evaluator I laid a hundred dollar bill on the table and challenged them to do the same.  If they could come up with one name in six months the hundred dollar bill was theirs.  If not their hundred dollar bill was mine.  All I did was piss them off, but I knew I had hit a nerve.  To this date 15 years later I have yet to hear or see a name.  As you might guess, they had the courage to condemn but not to put their money where their mouth was.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29884">CherokeeJack</a>.</p>
<p>I know what you are saying about lie detectors.  Years ago when I was required to take those silly tests, the examiner came to the conclusion that I was trying to groom a kid in my church.  Well, such a conclusion really pissed me off.  So in the presence of my counselor and the evaluator I laid a hundred dollar bill on the table and challenged them to do the same.  If they could come up with one name in six months the hundred dollar bill was theirs.  If not their hundred dollar bill was mine.  All I did was piss them off, but I knew I had hit a nerve.  To this date 15 years later I have yet to hear or see a name.  As you might guess, they had the courage to condemn but not to put their money where their mouth was.</p>
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		By: June Renick		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-4/#comment-29888</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[June Renick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2020 01:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-4/#comment-29879&quot;&gt;DavidM&lt;/a&gt;.

Well said and right on]]></description>
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<p>Well said and right on</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29887</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2020 01:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29873&quot;&gt;Frustrated&lt;/a&gt;.

I have tried to move to a better situation several times. Once I moved for 3 days to California. I put a deposit down on an apartment after quitting my then job and then went to the San Diego Sheriff&#039;s office. 
I read through the mound and pounds of boxes of rules, laws, ordinances, etc and went back to the apartment and begged for my money back. When they refused I said &quot;I am a registered offender so you cannot kick me out since I cannot have a refund. The response was &quot; Let me get my checkbook&quot;. 
I came back to Florida and at the time you didn&#039;t need to let them know you were leaving unless it was for a long period of time so it was like I never left.
When I was in Noway I was offered Asylum but I turned it down since at the time my Dad was having cancer treatments. (Yes God Healed him he is now 81) Plus I would not have ever been able to return without fear of arrest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29873">Frustrated</a>.</p>
<p>I have tried to move to a better situation several times. Once I moved for 3 days to California. I put a deposit down on an apartment after quitting my then job and then went to the San Diego Sheriff&#8217;s office.<br />
I read through the mound and pounds of boxes of rules, laws, ordinances, etc and went back to the apartment and begged for my money back. When they refused I said &#8220;I am a registered offender so you cannot kick me out since I cannot have a refund. The response was &#8221; Let me get my checkbook&#8221;.<br />
I came back to Florida and at the time you didn&#8217;t need to let them know you were leaving unless it was for a long period of time so it was like I never left.<br />
When I was in Noway I was offered Asylum but I turned it down since at the time my Dad was having cancer treatments. (Yes God Healed him he is now 81) Plus I would not have ever been able to return without fear of arrest.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-2/#comment-29886</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2020 01:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-2/#comment-29855&quot;&gt;Roger Mansfield&lt;/a&gt;.

This is exactly why I do not go to small churches where everyone knows your business and wants to invite you over to their house for bible study. I attend a church that seats about 5,000 people and has to have two services so many people come.
Blend in, enjoy, and get out. Sad but as soon as you make friends with a &quot;Christian&quot; and they find out about your baggage, you are suddenly Satan&#039;s step child. 
I am not being mean, I love my brothers and sisters in the Lord. However, Christians can be some of the most unforgiving people there are sometimes. Especially for RSO&#039;s We are God&#039;s problem, not theirs.
When I first got released, I attended a Christian group for ex felons. Each week someone ( if you were comfortable ) would share about their life. I never did, however once I got comfortable with the leader who was drug offender ( yes he was still doing drugs ) I confided in him about my past. There was even murderers in there and I never judged one of them. Once the cat was out of the bag they stopped inviting me to the sessions. 
I got saved when I was extremely young but got Baptized when I was a little older. Through the years I have been treated better by non Christians than the people who are supposed to be our family.
Jesus did not walk with or hang out with Kings, rulers, judges and priests in His day. He hung out with thieves, prostitutes, beggars, the poor, the sick and the lost.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-2/#comment-29855">Roger Mansfield</a>.</p>
<p>This is exactly why I do not go to small churches where everyone knows your business and wants to invite you over to their house for bible study. I attend a church that seats about 5,000 people and has to have two services so many people come.<br />
Blend in, enjoy, and get out. Sad but as soon as you make friends with a &#8220;Christian&#8221; and they find out about your baggage, you are suddenly Satan&#8217;s step child.<br />
I am not being mean, I love my brothers and sisters in the Lord. However, Christians can be some of the most unforgiving people there are sometimes. Especially for RSO&#8217;s We are God&#8217;s problem, not theirs.<br />
When I first got released, I attended a Christian group for ex felons. Each week someone ( if you were comfortable ) would share about their life. I never did, however once I got comfortable with the leader who was drug offender ( yes he was still doing drugs ) I confided in him about my past. There was even murderers in there and I never judged one of them. Once the cat was out of the bag they stopped inviting me to the sessions.<br />
I got saved when I was extremely young but got Baptized when I was a little older. Through the years I have been treated better by non Christians than the people who are supposed to be our family.<br />
Jesus did not walk with or hang out with Kings, rulers, judges and priests in His day. He hung out with thieves, prostitutes, beggars, the poor, the sick and the lost.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29885</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2020 00:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29862&quot;&gt;Tereto&lt;/a&gt;.

Churches are full of Human people. We are all sinners. We and they all make mistakes. We expect the Pastor to be better than us but because He / She is human and puts their pants on the same way as us, they fail sometimes as well. The Disciples were some of the biggest misfits around and often messed up big time, but Jesus loved them all the same. 
Look at Saul, he use to persecute and even kill Christians. When he converted and became Paul, he ended up writing a large portion of the new testament.
My biggest complaint about churches is, the pews are so uncomfortable it is hard to not fidget in my seat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29862">Tereto</a>.</p>
<p>Churches are full of Human people. We are all sinners. We and they all make mistakes. We expect the Pastor to be better than us but because He / She is human and puts their pants on the same way as us, they fail sometimes as well. The Disciples were some of the biggest misfits around and often messed up big time, but Jesus loved them all the same.<br />
Look at Saul, he use to persecute and even kill Christians. When he converted and became Paul, he ended up writing a large portion of the new testament.<br />
My biggest complaint about churches is, the pews are so uncomfortable it is hard to not fidget in my seat.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2020 00:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29863&quot;&gt;sarah&lt;/a&gt;.

As a former law enforcement officer, I can tell you, lie detectors are faulty. They do not detect lies or truths. They detect your reaction to a question. 
I applied one year to the Tampa police department. I did not get the job because they said I was deceitful when asked if I had ever used Cocaine? I wouldn&#039;t have known what cocaine looked like if it slapped me in the face.
So to prove the machines were BS, the next department I applied to asked if I had ever done ANY drugs. I had used Marijuana once but just said no and passed the test and got hired.
So in closing, I told the truth to one department and was told I was lying. The next one I lied and was told I passed with flying colors. To add to that, it also has to do with your conscience. I had decided I was not going to get hired either way so didn&#039;t care. Since I was just saying no not worrying about failing it, the needle never moved as I was calm and at peace that no matter what I wasn&#039;t getting hired. However I did. 
An added note. The first guy at Tampa P.D was a former NYPD cop who was very rough around the edges and I was shaking the entire time. He treated me the entire time like I was an inmate getting the exam instead of a police recruit. 
The examiner at the next department made me feel so comfortable and calm that after I got hired I could never look him in the eyes again after lying . ( Although Smoking MJ once is not an earth shattering event )
Not once in 4 years of probation was I ever asked to take a polygraph although every visit I had to do a drug test. Never failed one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/tn-bill-would-allow-sex-offenders-to-attend-church-with-permission/comment-page-3/#comment-29863">sarah</a>.</p>
<p>As a former law enforcement officer, I can tell you, lie detectors are faulty. They do not detect lies or truths. They detect your reaction to a question.<br />
I applied one year to the Tampa police department. I did not get the job because they said I was deceitful when asked if I had ever used Cocaine? I wouldn&#8217;t have known what cocaine looked like if it slapped me in the face.<br />
So to prove the machines were BS, the next department I applied to asked if I had ever done ANY drugs. I had used Marijuana once but just said no and passed the test and got hired.<br />
So in closing, I told the truth to one department and was told I was lying. The next one I lied and was told I passed with flying colors. To add to that, it also has to do with your conscience. I had decided I was not going to get hired either way so didn&#8217;t care. Since I was just saying no not worrying about failing it, the needle never moved as I was calm and at peace that no matter what I wasn&#8217;t getting hired. However I did.<br />
An added note. The first guy at Tampa P.D was a former NYPD cop who was very rough around the edges and I was shaking the entire time. He treated me the entire time like I was an inmate getting the exam instead of a police recruit.<br />
The examiner at the next department made me feel so comfortable and calm that after I got hired I could never look him in the eyes again after lying . ( Although Smoking MJ once is not an earth shattering event )<br />
Not once in 4 years of probation was I ever asked to take a polygraph although every visit I had to do a drug test. Never failed one.</p>
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