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	Comments on: Update on Ex Post Facto I and II Lawsuits	</title>
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		By: Kyle M		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59591</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2024 13:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A small victory in my case against the FDLE Commissioner.  The appellate court has reversed and remanded the case to the trial court with an opportunity for me to amend the complaint.  While it does not address the constitutional issues raised in the complaint, it does address the statute of limitations and venue in my favor.  Any assistance is greatly appreciated.  The panel was very intrigued with the novelty of the case at oral argument.  
https://2dca.flcourts.gov/content/download/2251696/opinion/Opinion_23-1366.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A small victory in my case against the FDLE Commissioner.  The appellate court has reversed and remanded the case to the trial court with an opportunity for me to amend the complaint.  While it does not address the constitutional issues raised in the complaint, it does address the statute of limitations and venue in my favor.  Any assistance is greatly appreciated.  The panel was very intrigued with the novelty of the case at oral argument.<br />
<a href="https://2dca.flcourts.gov/content/download/2251696/opinion/Opinion_23-1366.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://2dca.flcourts.gov/content/download/2251696/opinion/Opinion_23-1366.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Mp		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59590</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2024 22:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59587&quot;&gt;Lauren NotBook&lt;/a&gt;.

It is on Pacer, if you have an account you can get it there. 4:21-cv-00085 is the case number. My question is can there be an appeal, I imagine the state could. It will be good once FAC releases a statement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59587">Lauren NotBook</a>.</p>
<p>It is on Pacer, if you have an account you can get it there. 4:21-cv-00085 is the case number. My question is can there be an appeal, I imagine the state could. It will be good once FAC releases a statement.</p>
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		By: Kyle M		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59589</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59585&quot;&gt;Eugene V. Debs&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem with the ex post facto challenge is that it has failed numerous times in federal court with regard to Florida&#039;s registration requirements.  As offenders, we do not want the legislature to pile on more onerous requirements.  But, that may need to happen to finally tip the scales in an ex post facto challenge where it needs to be proven that the statute is punitive in its effect and intent.  Until then, victories, such as Harper, keep the legislators in check and provide a form of relief that will keep offenders from inadvertently violating the statute.  Now, you can take your family to Orlando for a week without worrying about making a trip to the sheriff&#039;s office and DMV.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59585">Eugene V. Debs</a>.</p>
<p>The problem with the ex post facto challenge is that it has failed numerous times in federal court with regard to Florida&#8217;s registration requirements.  As offenders, we do not want the legislature to pile on more onerous requirements.  But, that may need to happen to finally tip the scales in an ex post facto challenge where it needs to be proven that the statute is punitive in its effect and intent.  Until then, victories, such as Harper, keep the legislators in check and provide a form of relief that will keep offenders from inadvertently violating the statute.  Now, you can take your family to Orlando for a week without worrying about making a trip to the sheriff&#8217;s office and DMV.</p>
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		By: Kyle M		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59588</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2024 19:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59586&quot;&gt;JZ&lt;/a&gt;.

So, the 2018 statute required in-person reporting to the sheriff&#039;s office and the DMV within 48 hours of the new &quot;residence&quot; and offender was staying in the Florida.  Yesterday&#039;s order struck the duplicative reporting to the DMV and the in-person reporting requirement to the sheriff&#039;s office.  Since the statute does not say that the reporting of the &quot;residence&quot; must be in-person, the Court determined that to report in-person within 48 hours was too burdensome to withstand constitutional muster.  So, the Court ordered the Commissioner to make available an on-line reporting system within 60 days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59586">JZ</a>.</p>
<p>So, the 2018 statute required in-person reporting to the sheriff&#8217;s office and the DMV within 48 hours of the new &#8220;residence&#8221; and offender was staying in the Florida.  Yesterday&#8217;s order struck the duplicative reporting to the DMV and the in-person reporting requirement to the sheriff&#8217;s office.  Since the statute does not say that the reporting of the &#8220;residence&#8221; must be in-person, the Court determined that to report in-person within 48 hours was too burdensome to withstand constitutional muster.  So, the Court ordered the Commissioner to make available an on-line reporting system within 60 days.</p>
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		By: Lauren NotBook		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59587</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lauren NotBook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2024 19:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can we read the ruling? I have no idea where to find it. I&#039;m *so* eagerly awaiting news of what exactly this means for us. It is a long-awaited answer to much, much prayer.

&quot;The [judge&#039;s] heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will.&quot; Proverbs 21:1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we read the ruling? I have no idea where to find it. I&#8217;m *so* eagerly awaiting news of what exactly this means for us. It is a long-awaited answer to much, much prayer.</p>
<p>&#8220;The [judge&#8217;s] heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will.&#8221; Proverbs 21:1</p>
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		By: JZ		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59586</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2024 16:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59583&quot;&gt;Kyle M&lt;/a&gt;.

So, only the component of &quot;in-person&quot; reporting was found to be &quot;facially unconstitutional,&quot; since we still have to report the travel online? That&#039;s all we won?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59583">Kyle M</a>.</p>
<p>So, only the component of &#8220;in-person&#8221; reporting was found to be &#8220;facially unconstitutional,&#8221; since we still have to report the travel online? That&#8217;s all we won?</p>
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		By: Eugene V. Debs		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59585</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugene V. Debs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2024 15:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59583&quot;&gt;Kyle M&lt;/a&gt;.

So then in your opinion what does this mean for our expost facto I lawsuit. That our other lawsuit must be narrowly tailored to focus on “violation of substantive due process” and a “rational basis for legislative purposes”? 

I&#039;m trying to not jump to conclusions but it seems it’s a win but not the win we wanted. Or it will make our main lawsuit a little more difficult since we have to overcome legislative purpose standing , (i.e. they’re going to claim public safety) instead of us just us relying on the ex post facto argument. 

Thank you for keeping us informed on the lawsuit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59583">Kyle M</a>.</p>
<p>So then in your opinion what does this mean for our expost facto I lawsuit. That our other lawsuit must be narrowly tailored to focus on “violation of substantive due process” and a “rational basis for legislative purposes”? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to not jump to conclusions but it seems it’s a win but not the win we wanted. Or it will make our main lawsuit a little more difficult since we have to overcome legislative purpose standing , (i.e. they’re going to claim public safety) instead of us just us relying on the ex post facto argument. </p>
<p>Thank you for keeping us informed on the lawsuit.</p>
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		By: tearfuleagle		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59584</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tearfuleagle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2024 15:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59583&quot;&gt;Kyle M&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL laymens terms.  If the State does not create a place on the portal then we still have to go in?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59583">Kyle M</a>.</p>
<p>LOL laymens terms.  If the State does not create a place on the portal then we still have to go in?</p>
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		By: Kyle M		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59583</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2024 15:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59581&quot;&gt;Eugene V. Debs&lt;/a&gt;.

The order did not find the in-state traveling reporting requirement as violative of the ex post facto clause.  The holding was that it was facially unconstitutional in violation of substantive due process which could not withstand a rational basis for a legislative purpose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59581">Eugene V. Debs</a>.</p>
<p>The order did not find the in-state traveling reporting requirement as violative of the ex post facto clause.  The holding was that it was facially unconstitutional in violation of substantive due process which could not withstand a rational basis for a legislative purpose.</p>
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		By: tearfuleagle		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59582</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tearfuleagle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2024 14:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59580&quot;&gt;FAC Contributor #12&lt;/a&gt;.

If the FDLE doesnot create a space on the Portal for this reporting does that mean we do not have to report it at all?  Or Is this just a work around without striking that portion from the statute?  

Nice win just trying to understand the Scope of the win.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/update-on-ex-post-facto-i-and-ii-lawsuits/comment-page-3/#comment-59580">FAC Contributor #12</a>.</p>
<p>If the FDLE doesnot create a space on the Portal for this reporting does that mean we do not have to report it at all?  Or Is this just a work around without striking that portion from the statute?  </p>
<p>Nice win just trying to understand the Scope of the win.</p>
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