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	Comments on: Video of Crestview City Council Members’ Discussion of Sex Offender Ordinance	</title>
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	<description>Reforming Florida’s Sex Offender Registry Laws</description>
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		By: Eugene V. Debs		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-1/#comment-58841</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugene V. Debs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 18:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-1/#comment-58840&quot;&gt;Education&lt;/a&gt;.

This new law could help us it allows up to $50,000 for the defendant who is able to show new ordinance https://casetext.com/statute/florida-statutes/title-vi-civil-practice-and-procedure/chapter-57-court-costs/section-57112-effective-1012023-attorney-fees-and-costs-and-damages-arbitrary-unreasonable-or-expressly-preempted-local-ordinances. I have yet to see how laws like this are allowed https://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/dunedin-woman-who-stalked-radio-djs-is-sentenced-must-leave-pinellas/1229509/?outputType=amp. Banishment is illegal theses laws amount to banishment. There has to be a lawyer who will work on contingency being paid thru this ordinance. At the end of the day the only thing they can say is no.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-1/#comment-58840">Education</a>.</p>
<p>This new law could help us it allows up to $50,000 for the defendant who is able to show new ordinance <a href="https://casetext.com/statute/florida-statutes/title-vi-civil-practice-and-procedure/chapter-57-court-costs/section-57112-effective-1012023-attorney-fees-and-costs-and-damages-arbitrary-unreasonable-or-expressly-preempted-local-ordinances" rel="nofollow ugc">https://casetext.com/statute/florida-statutes/title-vi-civil-practice-and-procedure/chapter-57-court-costs/section-57112-effective-1012023-attorney-fees-and-costs-and-damages-arbitrary-unreasonable-or-expressly-preempted-local-ordinances</a>. I have yet to see how laws like this are allowed <a href="https://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/dunedin-woman-who-stalked-radio-djs-is-sentenced-must-leave-pinellas/1229509/?outputType=amp" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/dunedin-woman-who-stalked-radio-djs-is-sentenced-must-leave-pinellas/1229509/?outputType=amp</a>. Banishment is illegal theses laws amount to banishment. There has to be a lawyer who will work on contingency being paid thru this ordinance. At the end of the day the only thing they can say is no.</p>
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		By: Education		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-1/#comment-58840</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Education]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-1/#comment-58819&quot;&gt;Eugene V. Debs&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree, but the problem is the cost.  The money FAC raises only goes toward expenses such as the cost of hiring expert witnesses and depositions and other expenses .  We are not actually paying the attorneys.  They only receive their fee if we win and the court decides the other side pays it.  So it can be difficult to find an attorney to take a case when they know that they might not ever get paid.  With that said, the attorneys that have taken cases for us are outstanding and are busy right now dealing with legal issues for us.  We are hoping they are eventually reimbursed.  They deserve it.

We have a lot of situations where we would like to file a lawsuit but have to wait until some other lawsuits are finished (and hopefully won).  Then it takes an attorney who is willing to help us out.

How we all wish we had the money to pay attorneys what they deserve to take on all these lawsuits.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-1/#comment-58819">Eugene V. Debs</a>.</p>
<p>I agree, but the problem is the cost.  The money FAC raises only goes toward expenses such as the cost of hiring expert witnesses and depositions and other expenses .  We are not actually paying the attorneys.  They only receive their fee if we win and the court decides the other side pays it.  So it can be difficult to find an attorney to take a case when they know that they might not ever get paid.  With that said, the attorneys that have taken cases for us are outstanding and are busy right now dealing with legal issues for us.  We are hoping they are eventually reimbursed.  They deserve it.</p>
<p>We have a lot of situations where we would like to file a lawsuit but have to wait until some other lawsuits are finished (and hopefully won).  Then it takes an attorney who is willing to help us out.</p>
<p>How we all wish we had the money to pay attorneys what they deserve to take on all these lawsuits.</p>
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		By: Education		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-1/#comment-58839</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Education]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-1/#comment-58822&quot;&gt;T&lt;/a&gt;.

They were all given the research but only Bullard seemed to care.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-1/#comment-58822">T</a>.</p>
<p>They were all given the research but only Bullard seemed to care.</p>
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		By: Education		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-2/#comment-58838</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Education]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-2/#comment-58826&quot;&gt;joy&lt;/a&gt;.

That is an excellent question for the mayor to answer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-2/#comment-58826">joy</a>.</p>
<p>That is an excellent question for the mayor to answer.</p>
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		By: Eugene V. Debs		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-3/#comment-58837</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugene V. Debs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 14:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Has anyone looked into the United States vs Lovett case 328 U.S. 303 (1946) there is a three prong test to see if a law can be challenged on a bill of attainder.

Lovett Court said that a bill of attainder 1) specifically identified the people to be punished; 2) imposed punishment; and 3) did so without benefit of judicial trial.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/bill_of_attainder

Is not the continuous pushing of registered citizens further and further out of the community without a trial is that not a crime?  At what point is it ok and not viewed as punishment if anyone listened to the oral arguments I posted earlier under the general comments in the  Clements case the 11th gave the state a hypothetical question if the defendant was only allowed to live on 5 percent of the land would that person then be in custody? Well here we have that as factual evidence. With no other intention but to restrict future registered citizens from potentially living there or forcing those who do live there to being trapped since if they do move they would likely be forced out of the community as only a fraction of the town will now be eligible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone looked into the United States vs Lovett case 328 U.S. 303 (1946) there is a three prong test to see if a law can be challenged on a bill of attainder.</p>
<p>Lovett Court said that a bill of attainder 1) specifically identified the people to be punished; 2) imposed punishment; and 3) did so without benefit of judicial trial.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/bill_of_attainder" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/bill_of_attainder</a></p>
<p>Is not the continuous pushing of registered citizens further and further out of the community without a trial is that not a crime?  At what point is it ok and not viewed as punishment if anyone listened to the oral arguments I posted earlier under the general comments in the  Clements case the 11th gave the state a hypothetical question if the defendant was only allowed to live on 5 percent of the land would that person then be in custody? Well here we have that as factual evidence. With no other intention but to restrict future registered citizens from potentially living there or forcing those who do live there to being trapped since if they do move they would likely be forced out of the community as only a fraction of the town will now be eligible.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-3/#comment-58836</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 14:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-3/#comment-58833&quot;&gt;Craig&lt;/a&gt;.

@Craig

That brings up something kind of funny but sad at the same time.
The parents in my hood, because of me living there, they walk their kids to the bus stop and stand with them until the bus arrives. Fair enough.
Then when all the parents are at work, and the bus drops them back off after school, they all walk alone past my house with no parents. How ridiculous and petty. 
I have a pretty good record for the 15 years I have lived here, no kidnapped kids but the Sheriff&#039;s office won&#039;t give me a certificate of appreciation for my accomplishments.


Yes there is sarcasm in the post.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-3/#comment-58833">Craig</a>.</p>
<p>@Craig</p>
<p>That brings up something kind of funny but sad at the same time.<br />
The parents in my hood, because of me living there, they walk their kids to the bus stop and stand with them until the bus arrives. Fair enough.<br />
Then when all the parents are at work, and the bus drops them back off after school, they all walk alone past my house with no parents. How ridiculous and petty.<br />
I have a pretty good record for the 15 years I have lived here, no kidnapped kids but the Sheriff&#8217;s office won&#8217;t give me a certificate of appreciation for my accomplishments.</p>
<p>Yes there is sarcasm in the post.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-3/#comment-58835</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 14:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-3/#comment-58834&quot;&gt;Archie&lt;/a&gt;.

@Archie

In the meantime, I will keep you and your family in my prayers.

&quot;Where two or more are gathered together in my name, I will be there also.&quot;
                      Matthew 18:20]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-3/#comment-58834">Archie</a>.</p>
<p>@Archie</p>
<p>In the meantime, I will keep you and your family in my prayers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Where two or more are gathered together in my name, I will be there also.&#8221;<br />
                      Matthew 18:20</p>
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		By: Archie		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-3/#comment-58834</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Archie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 04:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@CherokeeJack,

I don&#039;t have the money to just up and run away.  I am not some super hero either, but no one here is going to stand up to them. I will if we are going to court.  We do need to take this for action.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@CherokeeJack,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the money to just up and run away.  I am not some super hero either, but no one here is going to stand up to them. I will if we are going to court.  We do need to take this for action.</p>
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		By: Craig		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-3/#comment-58833</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 00:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looks like the school districts need to add school bus stops to their website. I have seen one that does,  but I have not looked at every district. How can I choose a place to live if I don&#039;t know where the school bus stops are at? Or maybe the school districts do not want to publish that information so that sex offenders won&#039;t know where to go to find children? Just venting, the &quot;administrative policies&quot; have gotten way out of hand in Florida.    Why do we have a constitution if no part of the government has to follow it? Both state and federal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the school districts need to add school bus stops to their website. I have seen one that does,  but I have not looked at every district. How can I choose a place to live if I don&#8217;t know where the school bus stops are at? Or maybe the school districts do not want to publish that information so that sex offenders won&#8217;t know where to go to find children? Just venting, the &#8220;administrative policies&#8221; have gotten way out of hand in Florida.    Why do we have a constitution if no part of the government has to follow it? Both state and federal.</p>
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		By: CherokeeJack		</title>
		<link>https://floridaactioncommittee.org/video-of-crestview-city-council-members-discussion-of-sex-offender-ordinance/comment-page-2/#comment-58832</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CherokeeJack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2023 00:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Archie

I never thought I would move but where I lived I was getting Local cops, Sheriff&#039;s deputies, And FDLE agents showing up at my house all hours of the day and night. Hanging flyers, harassing me, coming in my house, and asking my neighbors questions.

I finally moved to another county and for the past 15 years I have been mostly left alone, except for the 5 minutes 4 times a year a deputy comes to see if I really live where I live, which I think off probation is unconstitutional, but that is a fight for another day.

I know it is not easy to up and move, but there are some places that basically leave you alone in Florida. Maybe F.A.C could do an anonymous poll on what county we live in and if it sucks or is not so bad.

[&lt;em&gt;Moderator’s note: FAC would be reluctant to characterize any Florida county as “not so bad.”  The best county for an individual varies according to individual circumstances and is subject to change&lt;/em&gt;].]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archie</p>
<p>I never thought I would move but where I lived I was getting Local cops, Sheriff&#8217;s deputies, And FDLE agents showing up at my house all hours of the day and night. Hanging flyers, harassing me, coming in my house, and asking my neighbors questions.</p>
<p>I finally moved to another county and for the past 15 years I have been mostly left alone, except for the 5 minutes 4 times a year a deputy comes to see if I really live where I live, which I think off probation is unconstitutional, but that is a fight for another day.</p>
<p>I know it is not easy to up and move, but there are some places that basically leave you alone in Florida. Maybe F.A.C could do an anonymous poll on what county we live in and if it sucks or is not so bad.</p>
<p>[<em>Moderator’s note: FAC would be reluctant to characterize any Florida county as “not so bad.”  The best county for an individual varies according to individual circumstances and is subject to change</em>].</p>
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