Comments on: VIDEO: Pennsylvania vs. Torsilieri Oral Arguments

By: CherokeeJack

CherokeeJack — Fri, 26 May 2023 13:20:03 +0000

In reply to JJJJ. @JJJJ I am no statistician, however, at the rate they are putting people on the registry, in 30 years half of the U.S population could be on the registry, especially if we all have to stay on for life. Ahh, but that means new jobs working in the field of registry compliance. Just think, that will become a new college course. Bachelor's of Registry sciences.

By: JJJJ

JJJJ — Fri, 26 May 2023 03:06:56 +0000

In reply to FRED.

True, Gerald! We keep giving them real statistics, actual proof, and logical arguments.
They keep stating vague prognostications, biased and faulty logic, and suppositions.
I can say positively that the opposition is evil because they oppose the truth for personal gain!
Shame shame shame! As long as they have their boogyman/scapegoat class they are content to torture and abuse a million US Citizens in the name of retribution!

By: Jed

Jed — Thu, 25 May 2023 21:12:41 +0000

The one male judge with obvious bios kept claiming well, they don’t have to recidivate, to show proper intent by the legislature, they just have to be at a “high risk” of recidivism, and that is what the legislature meant. Even if the result of recidivism is next to zero, it doesn’t matter.

Basically saying, all they have to do is be a higher risk than regular people and think of recidivating for them to be a “high risk”. As if to read peoples minds on if they might think of recidivating or not more than other “normal” people. He kept bringing that up and I can’t believe he did not realize what a ridiculous argument he kept making…

They also made it clear they were afraid to overturn both the legislative and the governors so called attempts to keep the public safe and what that would do to their reputations and retributions against them.

The lawyers did the best they could and showed endless proof of the uselessness of the SORNA, but you can tell judges are very reluctant to hear anything, even endless proof, that the SORNA is not working, useless and unconstitutional. They are just afraid to be the first spoke to say so.

By: Eugene V Debs

Eugene V Debs — Thu, 25 May 2023 17:32:00 +0000

If under 3% percent reoffend that is what our side quoted, is that considered “quite high” and does that warrant these rules from the legislature ? I think we proved our point in that we’re falsely label a danger for life without any due process.
There will always be people, groups of people who uses the registry for personal gain. And in politics they use it for fear mongering to seek re-election so of course there will never be true consensus from the legislature regarding our issues they will lose there fear mongering reelection ticket.
The court will have to step in to override the legislature and Governor and hopefully they gut Pennsylvania Sorna. The legislature still wants to use beliefs over facts. You decide the outcome of a case based on facts and evidence that is presented hopefully they put aside their beliefs and rule on facts presented to the court.

By: CherokeeJack

CherokeeJack — Thu, 25 May 2023 15:24:48 +0000

In reply to Anonymous.

@Anonymous

I might be using this wrong but there is a term that comes to mind.
“Equally applied under the law”. There is nothing equal about the registry when only crimes involving a sex offense have a publicly accessible punishment page for each and every one of us. These pages are maps to our house for those who want to harm us and or our families.
I do not have the link but last year I saw a story where deputies went to check on a registered person and ended up at the wrong house and things did not end well.

By: FRED

FRED — Thu, 25 May 2023 13:34:19 +0000

Yea, if youre locking up 20year old children putting them on the most intensive punitive monitoring program on the planet, id say theres a higher chance of recidivism when youve created the the program to produce recidivism.

By: FRED

FRED — Thu, 25 May 2023 13:15:47 +0000

I like how everyone is talking about “presumption” as if its definition is defined as “statistical fact”. The entire registry and its components are based on “presumptions” because if it was based on statistical data and facts Theye’d have nothing meaningful to support its implementation.

By: Gerald

Gerald — Thu, 25 May 2023 12:29:44 +0000

It is disturbing that some of the justices were implying that a positive ruling in this case could mean that they will also have to use the same reasoning if a convicted felon brings suit claiming that the government can’t take away his right to bear arms. 2 very different issues, because the registry is a 24 hour a day punishment. Hopefully the majority of the justices will reject that argument.

By: GL

GL — Thu, 25 May 2023 11:24:37 +0000

Is this recording a new recent hearing?
It appears as though the Pennsylvania supreme court ruled on this 5 years ago. Although they left it open for the lower court to make some sort of decision based upon recidivism statistics they did not have.

https://mitchellhamline.edu/sex-offense-litigation-policy/2020/06/16/commonwealth-v-torsilieri-pa-2020/

https://mitchellhamline.edu/sex-offense-litigation-policy/wp-content/uploads/sites/61/2020/06/Trial-Court-Opinion.pdf

Is his a hearing to review the statistics?

even if they prevail, does any other states or US constitution protect the “right to reputation”

https://www.pietragallo.com/publications/simon-says-protect-my-reputation-understanding-pennsylvanias-constitutional-right-to-reputation/

By: Disgusted in Michigan

Disgusted in Michigan — Thu, 25 May 2023 10:20:58 +0000

In reply to CherokeeJack.

Well said, and lets not forget about the tens of millions of people NOT on the registry, who have never committed a crime in their lives, who MIGHT commit a sex crime.
News flash…I was not on the registry and had a clean record when I screwed up, just like thousands of other people. The registry today does not prevent me from doing anything wrong. What prevents me from screwing up is my desire to live a productive life, to take care of my family and hang out with my friends. Any time I might decide to do something wrong, which will never happen, the registry will NEVER prevent it.