Trial Date set in Ex Post Facto I!!!
A trial date has been set in Does v. Glass (SDFL)!!! This is the case we referred to as “Ex Post Facto I”.
Trial has been set for July 13, 2026. Yes, that’s 2026 (not 2025), which we know is still a ways off, but remember that this case was initiated in 2018, has gone to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals (where the Does prevailed) and then back to the District Court.
We wanted to share this exciting news as it came in. More details will follow!
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P2
Wrong statement , some do allow
Not in Florida.
P2
I worked in nursing hoe and we had residents , who are on registry
The Court decision leaves it up to the Michigan Legislature to come up with a procedure for dealing with people whose crimes were committed in another state, but also says that those with out of state convictions can’t be treated more severely than those who committed crimes in Michigan, so there is room for a legal argument on that issue in the future. The decision hasn’t been implemented yet in Michigan. I am hopeful but not celebrating.
I have only been on the Registry 30 years – not an “old timer” like you two – although I am 90 years old. Unfortunately, I fear that having accepted a plea deal back in 1995, and later finding I was to be added to the Registry, I will be one of those who will be on the registry forever after I die.
Maybe some of our letter campaign to the legislators will stir some willingness to let the old and infirmed off the Registry at some point so they can go to Assisted Living facilities. I used to heop for that but don’t see it happening in the next few years. Hiowever, I am planning to send 160 emails to the legislature in January to try to help the campaign succeed. I encourage each of you to volunteer to do something to help FAC make even a little more progress. It takes all of us!
As a rule no nursing home or assisted facility allows Sexual predators there. There is a Liability and there has been a lot of lawsuits in that regard.
Prove they are a liability first with an individual assessment before blocking their ability to live there. If not proven, then it proves only the fear mongered by those who are ignorant wins, not reality.
Ts
There has been assaults on staff by sex offender many times. Family had filed law suits against facility( Worked in one facility myself). It cost Millions to resolve the incident.
However, there have been even far more nursing facility assaults by people not on the registry, that is a fact. Dementia and Alzheimer’s cases cause aggression and hypersexual activity in some who suffer from cognitive decline.
And people don’t realize they have a better chance of being struck by lightning or a tornado or a bus falling from the sky.
Nonsense
Annon
This is different issue, sex predators different breed.
That is definitely true. My wife saw both men and women acting that way. Had nothing to do with being on a registry.
Anno
This conversation is about sex offenders, not patients with dementia assaulting staff. We comparing apples to oranges.
No, you are comparing sex offenders who statistically most likely won’t offend again against those who could offend under medical conditions & are not on the registry and get a pass though they would be the same when found guilty in a court of law if able to stand trial. Fear mongering shows nothing but ignorance of the reality and facts of the matter, as noted above about those who live in these facilities & assault others but aren’t on the registry.
Let us not forget also about the medical staff who assault the vulnerable residents as well who probably go unreported out of fear of those who live there.
Dismiss the apples and oranges comparison, wake up to reality, and stop living with rose colored glasses when it comes to this topic. Give an individual assessment to those who need to live in assisted facilities to prove they are a threat or let them live in there for the rest of their days without issue.
I can can give you few names( not allowed) who are listed as Sexual Predators and sit in the prison currently. These individuals commited same, identical crime for second time. So Yes..they did it AGAIN
Exception not the rule. There will always be repeat offenders of any crime from non-violent to heinous. Unfortunately we can’t stop EVERY bad thing from happening.
As someone on the registry myself, I kind of find it funny that people live in fear because of the registry lol. “I need to check this registry for potential threats because I’m too scared to leave my house’ it’s comical that people actually live like that 😂
@P
I have a LOT of power on my street. I am so powerful that people move away because I live on the street. HOW in the World should someone who has not bother anyone in 30 years a threat?
They try to tear me down and get me to move but I have a sprit that is strong and un-movable. Just ignore me if you do not like it, otherwise, do like you do and move. AND, I have about 12 families on my street that have known me for years and love me to death. Those that think I am the boogyman are very, very insecure people. Going online on nextdoor to out some and try and get someone to move doesn’t work for me. I stand by my fortress and say bring it on because in the end, God gave me this house and I refuse to move until The One above directs me to do so.
About 20 families have moved since I have lived here and I say “Good riddance, and have a nice life, don’t let the door hit you on the backside”.
Cherokee
May be you should join Neighborho😎😎od Watch ?
They all end up on the registry sooner or later. The current batch of predators will be welcoming the next batch soon. This is why these laws, registry, maintenance after prison, check ups, stings, etc etc exist. All necessary.
What good is a registry that doesn’t identify those who “will end up there sooner or later” for a future offense?
Most people want to protect their families today, no?
What’s the registry even for if it consistently fails to identify threats?
Why would you ask a law-abiding Florida resident if they are on the registry “for life”?
Is there some other way to be on the registry in Florida that you are aware of?
Can people be on the Florida registry for 10 years, 25 years?
Jacob
Obviously they weren’t law abiding , if they were put on Registry?
Absolutely. It’s the “life” part I don’t get.
If someone committed a sex crime at age 17, and now they’re 47 and law abiding since then and raising a family, does the state really need to put their past (and thousands of others) on blast? Does that really protect my family? From what exactly?
And ineffective.
jacob
We understand that 17 year old’s can get in trouble easily ( specially on websites they go) We are talking about grown A&^^%%% man in their 30’s who prey on young girls. They’re, than have audacity to blame these girls, that it wasn’t their fault. Without a doubt ( PFR) for life.
@A
Do you not know there are ALSO grown assed women on the registry as well. Although more men are on the registry, women do it too. When I was 12 my female babysitter who was 17 took advantage of me. I never told but I didn’t want to be doing that. If everyone in the U.S told their story, half the U.S would be on the registry. (I do not know the exact % just saying, a lot more going on than people realize)
When I stayed the night at the pastor’s house, I stayed in the room with the pastors two sons. When we were all alone, the two brothers told me their male babysitter (A man from the church) was molesting them. I wanted to go straight away and tell the pastor but the boys (My same young age at the time) starting crying and begged me not to tell. I didn’t tell but to this day I wish I had told their Father who was just in the next room.
Back in those days in the 70s, people kept all their secrets and let them eat them up inside.
The registry doesn’t protect a single person. If someone is HELL bent on preying on someone, a registry will not stop them. The registry is a website, not a monitor, not a cop, but a website.
If we ever win our victory to get off the registry, the public will have to buy new underwear after crapping themselves in fear because they are relying on the registry to keep them safe.
And that registry has 100s of dead registrants on it, why? To smear a dead man’s family into more shame? That right there proves the registry is to fill law enforcement positions. If they were to end the registry, 1000s of jobs would be eliminated.
Maybe there would be less crime if law enforcement used those resources to actually stop crimes instead of being babysitters. (Not bashing officers, just saying, waste of tax payers money)
Cherokee
Your life is story book..lol
Cherokee, I agree with you, if someone wants to prey on someone, the registry will not stop them. The registry gives a false sense of security. My opinion, it will most likely be someone that is not on the registry. When I was growing up, riding my bike all over or at the park, I had to be home by dark. You cannot let your children do that anymore. I see young kids walking around the neighborhood in the evening and I wonder where are the parents? Parents need to be more cautious and proactive as to where and what their children are doing. Not just depend on the registry. Oh and Welcome back!
P,
Sex offenders are not allowed to stay in or visit nursing homes so how are these “assaults” possible?
Sounds like an untapped business opportunity there to me. Surprised no one has jumped in to fill the void.
@Al P
Isn’t it ironic that when someone dies and are still on the registry, they stay on there, BUT, if their relatives pay, they can have the listing removed after they die. When I asked FDLE why it was not automatic, they stated it was so their victims would know they are no longer a threat.
Really? Can’t you remove them and then notify their victims? Good Lord in Heaven, save us all. Seems common sense is no longer common.
Sounds like one last way to needle the person and their family by resorting to a “removal fee” post-death and their fear mongering to justify it. How do they know the alleged victim has not passed? Can the PFR and their family request removal if the alleged victim has passed? Why is it a one-way street? Probably not. They’ll say society will need to know regardless because the entirety of society will never physically die as a whole….intellectually is a different story.
Ap
You can hire home health care
A
Provided if you can afford it or insurance coverage pays for part of or all of the expenses.
I’m sure he is on Medicaid
@P
You said ‘sexual predators are a different breed’ and that is nonsense!! Many people on the registry are adjucated ‘sexual predators’ not because of the frequency of the crime they commiteed but simply because the crime they committed requires by state law that they are adjucated a ‘sexual predator’. You should research what you are going to say before you say it.
TY for saying that. I was adjudicated SP I know am not even my PO has said it.
It just sad how there isn’t any due process to really pin point those who are really a threat. Till then I can hope that time comes and LEO’s can really spend there resources and efforts on fact driven results not fear, therefore, really making our neighborhoods safe.
Not wasting my tax dollars on paper crime ( not punishment) law thats all a scheme to keep people locked up because of fear. People get more time for violating there informal lifetime supposedly not punitive probation (registry) than the actual crime. Common sense laws.
@Davis
I have been on the registry longer than the entire sentence I got. It has been 22 years since all my sentence was over, and yet, I am still having cops come to my house and if I am not home, they either leave a note on my door, or ask the neighbors if I still live there.
I have asked them if they want to find me, make an appointment, call me or some other way instead of coming to my house 100 times to find me which is a waste of resources. Instead, they tell me “It has to be random, or we cannot verify you live there”. Good Lord, such a messed-up system. My freakin name is on the property appraisers site, so yes, I live in the house I have owned for the past 20 years.
cherokee
LE is doing their job( just like you would, if you had one) They need to make sure, no funny stuff is going on
@A
Why should cops come to someone’s house who is no longer on any probation or any sentence? I have not been on probation since 22 years ago. I do not have a probation officer since I have been “free” of all sanctions since 22 years ago. How would you like it if cops came to your house several times a year.
I am not anti law enforcement, just seems unconstitutional to be on probation when you are NOT on probation. The cops come to my house more times than my probation officer did 22 years ago. If my probation officer believed in me why do I need your tax dollars paying for an officer to come bother me when they could be doing real good in community by stopping crime.
And how would they know if funny stuff was going on in my house?????? They are NOT allowed in our house without a warrant. All they do is come and make us show our ID to prove we still live there. So tell me just how they are finding funny stuff going on?
Cherokee
You must be subject to registration, that’s why? Your neighbors are most likely calling for welfare check.
Are you on the registry for life? If yes, that’s why the cops come over
Dvc
No need to research..I know what Predator is!!!!
How well do you know what a sexual predator is?
Most people define sexual predator as someone who is predisposed to use others for sexual gratification.
Yet the Florida registry uses a different definition, one defined by the legislature at FS 775.21(5).
Those two are not the same thing.
Both you and DVC claim to know what a sexual predator is. Yet I’m not sure the two of you evenemploy the same definition.
Jacob
Ask one On my street
In Florida, a “lewd act” generally refers to actions of a sexual nature, especially those involving children, or actions that are indecent and offensive in public. Florida Statute §800.04 defines “lewd or lascivious molestation” as intentionally touching the genitals, buttocks, or breasts (or clothing covering them) of a person under 16 years of age in a lewd or lascivious manner, or enticing or forcing the minor to do so.
To quite the Princess Bride:
“I do not think that word means what you think it means”
Dvc
Lewd act on child under 14 is Predator not Offender.
@a and P
That does NOT make them a predator.
Here are the meanings of ‘predator’:
An organism that lives by preying on other organisms.
A person or group that robs, victimizes, or exploits others for gain.
Any animal or other organism that hunts and kills other organisms (their prey), primarily for food.
Someone who attacks and plunders for gain. Any animal that lives by preying on other animals.
Someone who attacks in search of booty.
Because someone commits a lewd act on someone under 14 does not necessarily make them a predator.
A predator is a living organism that ‘continually’ searches for victims and exploits them for their predatory purpose-NOT just a one time episode-it is continual.
If it is not continual they are NOT a predator.
A tue predator is a predator for life because that is their nature and they continue to be predatorial, not because a state law has adjucated them to be according to the crime they committed!
Many people on the registry have been labeled ‘predators’ according to the crime, NOT because of the frequency or duration.
Use common sense according to what the word ‘predator’ means.
Should President Trump be on the Registry?
No
Yes