Dr. Phil to feature Police ICAC proactive stings.
The Dr. Phil Show airing on CBS will air an episode featuring Sex Stings next Monday, December 7, 2020.
The show will feature an FAC member whose son was targeted in one of these stings who has been fighting to expose them since. Also featured is Florida attorney Peter Aiken of Aiken, O’Halloran and Associates, who defends people caught up in these stings.
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Aracely:
Each person in this cause brings their individual life experiences to the table. You have the unique experience of actually appearing on a national television show. We need to learn so we can build on this experience.
It would be nice if you can get back on the show for Round #2 but the next time, we can all help you be more prepared so you can illuminate the public on how the registry is actually affecting peoples lives, wasting taxpayer money and diverting police resources away from persons actually involved in violent crimes.
We also need to get our experts on the show. Here in Michigan, we have Professor Larry Dubin at the University of Detroit. It would be nice if we could get him on the show. People don’t realize that adults and teens with developmental disabilities are overly represented in these stings and the number of actual predators caught up in these stings is quite small.
I would very gladly do another show on this. I know so much more now about what to say.
I think we need to get a lot of people to start writing in to the show about wanting to see more of this get covered. Tell them about the important issues they missed, how many people are affected by this, how this is hurting our society, etc.
I think if we get enough people to keep writing in to them about that, they will do another show about it.
I bugged them for like 2 and a half years, before they finally agreed to bring me on. If weāre persistent, we can make it happen.
We also need to take advantage and post comments and reply to the comments of others on the videos that the show puts up on YouTube and Facebook (about this show in particular). Many people read those comments. Itās a good opportunity to reach a wide audience and get some information out to them. I kept posting the link to our website in the comments. https://cage.fyi/
Iām doing everything I can think of to get this education out to people.
Unfortunately, Dr. Phil did not fully understand this matter at time the show was taped. There were things cut out (some of his opinions) based on feedback we provided to them after the taping of the show. I really thought I would get a chance to talk again later, to clarify things, but I was never given the opportunity to do that.
Aracely:
I wish I had known that you were going on the show ahead of time. I would have sent you judge Noonan’s dissent. They could have reached out to him and got it straight from a federal judge’s mouth. Let’s see what Dr. Phil has to say then.
I wish that too. There are so many things now that I wish I had said or been more clear about. I really didnāt think Dr. Phil himself would miss such a huge point about the reality of these sex sting operations.
I have learned a lot from doing the show. I really had not realized before how difficult it is for most people to understand or figure out that police had advertised themselves seeking, and offering casual sexual to adults who were also seeking that. Many people arenāt aware thatās even a thing. Some adults seek casual encounters online. There are no real minors on these adult sites seeking and offering casual sex to these adults. Thatās the main fact nobody is talking about. Thatās why anybody who comes across this is very confused and canāt even wrap their heads around it.
The police use psychological manipulation to get their targets to agree to have sex with them and tell them they will. Because itās difficult to come across anybody on these sites who is not a bot or a scammer, these targets are particularly vulnerable to anybody who engages them in conversation. The problem is that the police make it clear that they are only interested in talking if they are going to talk about having sex. They will only agree to meet if the target agrees to have sex with them and will clearly state that they will have sex with them. Police refuse to meet if it is not clear they are going to get sex from this meeting. Naturally, the targets are curious and interested in meeting who theyāve been talking to. So, they give in and tell police they will do what they (police) want them to do. They do this in exchange to get to meet the person they are talking to, to find out more about what this is all about. This is the only way they can make this meeting happen.
All police have proven is that they can manipulate people on adult sites to say they will do what police want them to do. They have not proven that anybody would have really had sex with a child. They make their targets say they will do this, making it clear they will only meet if its going to be about sex.
This is clearly entrapment.
āEntrapment occurs only when the criminal conduct was āthe product of the creative activityā of law enforcement officials.ā ā Sherman v. United States, 356 U.S. 36
Just to Set the Record Straight, there Exists, internal documents with National ‘Agency’ and ‘Bureau’ that details specifically, that these Schemes (ICAC) are Prohibited by all Law Enforcement Establishments and that these ‘Sets of Protocols’ MUST be immediately adopted….Document dated 2011.
Trust Me!, many are running for ‘cover; right now….I am sure that there is a Member here that will chime-in with the aforementioned specificities!
Please share these documents that you refer to.
TheTruthHurts:
If you are talking about the ICAC standards version that states that police are not allowed to use adult sites for these sex stings, that one is not real. Is it that one you are talking about or something else?
Police are actually allowed to pose as someone seeking casual sex from other adults who are also seeking that, then pretend to be a minor who is seeking casual sex with adults and telling these adults that they are a minor doing this. Itās not something real minors do, but police are still allowed to do this, to supposedly look for āchild predatorsā. š¤·š»āāļø
Police may be able to use adult websites but are they allowed to solicit, lure, or entice or attempt to. My son was caught in operation blue shepherd 2011 which was entrapment as a matter of law. April McCray’s post in Craigslist casual encounters read: Sisters looking for a hot night -w4m – 19 (pcola/destin/pc) Detective McCray said, 2 sisters seeking a man that handle both of us. We are ready for a hot night are you? In the emails sent back and forth were not clear of who or ages other than the posted ages . This was very confusing, in the beginning McCray said, “My lil sis is visiting me for the summer. She is 14, you ok with that?” My son responds “And yes, I’m ok with that as long as you’re of age.” McCray responds, “I am 19, but it is about the both of us tonight. Can you handle it?” My son says I’d have to say maybe tomorrow. When are you free tomorrow & the next day?” McCray responds, “Oh well you sux!!! Why tomorrow” Lisa Broxson Cutler who was a chatter for the Pensacola police department for the Operation Blue Shepherd was asked on the stand under oath (our lawyer took this deposition from her before trial but she was not put on the stand at my sonās trial.) My sonās lawyer asked Cutler, āDid they discuss with you entrapment issues?ā Cutler answered, āYes, that was discussed.ā My sonās lawyer asked, āAnd what do you recall about those discussions?ā Cutler answered, āYou know, they just warned to be careful and to make sure that you ā that it is really open in your discussion how old you are or how old the child is that they will be coming to see. And if they donāt want to come, donāt encourage them to come.ā My sonās case was clear ENTRAPMENT AS A MATTER OF LAW but the judge just turned his head. As I said before, it is not just the police who are doing these stings illegally it is the courts also who are allowing them to continue. Corruption all the way to the top.
I didn’t get a chance to watch the show but watched the 4 minute clip Vicki posted (thanks Vicki). The clip is an excellent example of what NOT to do when you are arrested. Whenever you are arrested, KEEP YOU MOUTH SHUT. Taking a “lie detector test” is about the most stupid thing you can do.
I hope everyone reads Judge Noonan’s dissent and comments on it here. I would like to hear what others think.
Anyone interested in this topic should read Judge Noonan’s dissent in US v Black, 733 F3d 294 (9th Cir. 2013). Judge Noonan tells it the way it is. Read it for free at googlescholar. Read his dissent and comment here.
So, did anyone watch this today?
Yes and commented on their YouTube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwZ4r9cAFdc
I did! Then I got banned from posting anymore comments on the Dr. Phil FB and YouTube videos about it. I guess I exposed too many of the policeās dirty little secrets and exposed them (police) as liars š¤·š»āāļø
It was also more than one of us posting from the same account.
It was good to see that the show did cut out parts that we had complained about, like: Dr. Phil praising what police had done.
I accused him of enabling and encouraging their unethical, immoral behavior. I also accused him of misapplying these cases to warn parents of daughters about guys like this, when in fact, that has nothing to do with the reality of police posing as pretend minors who are advertising and offering casual (free) sex to adults who are seeking a casual encounter on adult sites. That part, when he did that, was also cut out š
Then I also complained about a time when Dr. Phil did not answer my question (Am I in denial?) and a time when he did not allow the officer to answer Jaceās question (If you are looking for pedophiles, why are you sending pictures of adults?) They actually did a really good editing job to make it look like those questions were answered. I am impressed! Itās not how it really happened, but I do like how they edited those things and made it look like it really happened that way. Kudos to them, for that. They really pulled it off! It still didnāt really answer our questions, but oh well!
Yes. Dr. Phil is pro police and admits such. You can find many of the clips on YouTube and Dr. Phil’s website. There are two clips that are not included online. One is from a caller and the other is from the Lawyer who says there needs to be balance in these stings and better plea offerings. Unfortunately they cut out the part where he compared these stings to fishing for sharks and you catch dolphins and you throw back the dolphins. He also noted that perhaps 1 out of 10 they catch could be considered predators. It can be a hard watch because Dr. Phil pushes his agenda (once they say age stop). Guess he has never done online dating/hookup–it is a numbers game. You keep after any contacts until you can figure out if they are real. Yeah these guys went too far and were suckers (majority of them). The punishment doesn’t fit the crime, especially when it is a sting/induced operation. Be careful out there online. There are a lot of liars and trolls.