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To the person who loves to throw out labels, saying an SO is like that forever. No ifs and or buts..
This is your desire to press a hateful speech against people who don’t have any protection and who may or may not be guilty of what you imagine one to be.
And no matter how you slice it any which way hate speech is still hate speech. So if you’re overweight or you are autistic or you’re in any way different from another class and you admire or engage in hate speech, just remember it can be directed against you for the very same reasons which amounts to no real reason at all.
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I’m well aware this is the 11th Circuit and my ruling is of the 3rd Circuit but last I check they were both under U.S. Constitutional Law. I would think that one Circuits retroactive FEDERAL ruling has at least an ounce of legal weight in another does it not? Especially being of true Ex Post Facto from the actual Circuit where Megans Law originated from. Are we not being subjected to the 9th Circuits ruling because it went to SCOTUS with actual Megans Law suppressed court rulings to get it past not showing a Tier Level 1 for a full open public registry without due process?
So a retroactive civil judgement from another state FDLE is used to place the person on their registry. Can they use part of the judgement but refuse to honor the ruling of 15 years and not for public notification being it would be double jeopardy for life that is a judgement prior to the Federal Law they are using to make it public record? I mean seeing Florida is not a retroactive state but uses another states Federal 14th Amendment “Due Process” that placed them on a registry retroactive. Oh wait Smith v Doe does not have Due process does it? Because they couldn’t see a punishment in Alaskas law as it is a 2 tier fully public system like FLORIDA…
I spend a lot of time writing comments because I want the feedback I want to be challenged because that is how I find things. Trust me we were hours away from being processed into concentration camps an they had the backing of the people and law markers to do it at that time in 1995.
As for the smoking gun https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/house-bill/2137/text/pl Look at the bottom when it was considered and passed on May 7th. The May 6th report I’ve posted shows they knew is was going to be inflicting a hidden double punishment on 45% of the registry with public shaming and stripped out the classification level that triggered Due Process at the same time with this Federal Amendment. It’s all about the dates and you can see what he did.
The text of the Bill that made Megan’s law public can be found here: https://www.congress.gov/104/plaws/publ145/PLAW-104publ145.pdf
Please post the May 6th report you are referring to, so we can see where it says they knew it was double punishment.
As for the way case law works; there are District Courts, which are the federal trial courts. Florida has three: the southern, middle and northern. There are Circuit courts that are federal appellate courts that are the superior courts over the lower District Courts in its Circuit. The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals covers Florida’s District Courts (Plus the District Courts in Alabama and Georgia).
Above all the Circuit Courts of Appeal is the Supreme Court of the United States, which is the top court in the United States.
The Supreme Court decisions are binding on all of the Circuit Courts in the country, which also means they are Binding on all the District Courts.
A Circuit Court’s decision is binding on all the District Courts in that Circuit. But a decision from a Circuit court is NOT binding on the District Courts in other Circuits.
In Florida, we are stuck with the Horrible SCOTUS decision of Smith v Doe (2003) and the 11th Circuit Court cases that relied on it (ex: Doe v Moore (11th cir. 2005)).
Don’t get me wrong, I hate these decisions. I vehemently disagree with them. But they exist and the way precedent works, until a case comes along that changes the landscape in the 11th or the SCOTUS, we are stuck with them.
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This is why I see things differently maybe because I’m not only the beginning of actual Megans Law, I was involved in the constitutional challenge rulings of it from the start. Megans Law started on 10/31/1994 in New Jersey ( not Alaska ) found constitutional on July 25th, 1995 ( John Doe v Poritz ) I was granted Due Process under the 14 Amendment because I was being placed on the registry retroactive. Are you suggesting they can strip this judgement away from me using a newer law? So they can then use this retroactive due process civil judgment that required me to register retroactively but refuse the judgement itself that would become a punishment when made public record? If it was not retroactive I can see a state able to but not this, not an actual Ex Post Facto court ruling. You can hit me with case law but they are all up for a challenge and this can and will prove double jeopardy under US Constitutional Law. I’m not looking to destroy it just fix it.
Your Megan’s Law (H.R. 2137 ) was introduced into the House 2 days later on July 27th 1995. Zimmer stripped out Tier Level 1 in name only but kept us on the registry. He created an amendment for sexually violent offenders calling for a 100% public notification registry and Due Process removed for the states and courts in 1 shot. Making it an all public non punitive non challenge able scheme. This is what he did. He took Level 1 “register only” an placed it into Level 2 which is today’s offender classification.
You can find this report here C-2 https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-3rd-circuit/1246264.html
New Jersey’s Administrative Office of the Courts reports that, as of May 6, 1996, there were 528 registrants designated as Tier 1; 585 as Tier 2; and 59 as Tier 3; or 45 percent, 50 percent, and 5 percent, respectively, of all classified registrants. According to the county prosecutors, as of May 16, 1996, notification was completed for 135 out of the 644 individuals classified to Tier 2 or Tier 3. Administrative Office information also indicates that of the 117 registrants who pursued their notification challenges to a resolution, 62 had their tier levels affirmed. Fifty-two challenges resulted in changed tier classifications and 13 resulted in modification of the scope of notification.
Before you say it’s New Jersey, it was Megan’s Law Ex Post Facto stats they had at the time they voted on this Federal Amendment. 644 had some sort of public notification. 528 did not as it was registry only not for public notification. You can’t free a man in one state then put him back in chains because you created a law that allows it.
Let me show you where and who I am in this. I’m one of the 117 challengers. I’m one of the 52 who’s challenge resulted into a reduced tier classification. I’m not one of the 13 from a Tier 3 to a Tier 2, I’m one of the 39 no state should have made it public record because my 14th Amendment of Due Process I was granted under constitutional law is an actual retroactive civil judgement not for public notification.
If I was a Tier 2 or 3 I wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. If Congressman Zimmer introduced H.R. 2137 into the House on July 24th and not July 27th I wouldn’t have a leg to stand on to show what he did after it was found constitutional. If I didn’t have a Federal 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals of Megans Law retroactive ruling showing it is a punishment if it was made public record, that is just one step below the Supreme Court of the United States. You will not ever see another case like this one.
Mr Doe,
The “report” you link to is a 1997 opinion in a 3rd Circuit case. It predates 2003’s Supreme Court of the United States case Smith v Doe.
We don’t want to come off as argumentative or deflate your beliefs, but we have thousands of readers that visit our forum each month and it’s important that we disseminate good information.
It appears there is good reason why Attorney Val Jonas didn’t feel your information was useful to her case.
As always, we want to be open to the productive exchange of information and ideas, but we need to balance that want with a need to prevent the dissemination of misleading information.
I think the whole registry is short circuited.
It’s a judicial football. The system just kicks it back and forth.
Hello Joe, I’m headed to work right now. If you want to contact me privately so we can share that information, please go on to my website my YouTube channel. That is, I have my email there and you can email me a reminder and I’ll try to get to it later this evening.
Norm, Joe. Whats you You Tube channel link please, thanks.
CORRECTION cost me 100,000+ to fight it and I “wouldn’t” get it past the 11th Circuit.
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It’s Valerie Jonas
You can check PACER
Your screwed! I spoke with her recently an she did what the rest do. ( But she knows E.B. v Verniero and has been in this since 2009 ) Really? When she saw 1993 out of state is when she started her backtracking real quick just like the rest I’ve spoken with do. I did speak with a criminal attorney on 10/30/24 at the jail when I actually signed my registry “John Doe” the day before the 30th anniversary of Megans Law who saw this paperwork an said I have a really good civil case. 1 phone call is all it would take to bust this wide open. Jonas firmly told me “all circuits have ruled it’s not a punishment”. Well that’s not true, there is 1 an I’m it. US Court of Appeals Third Circuit – It is state inflicted punishment under the Ex Post Facto AND Double Jeopardy clauses of the U.S. Constitution to make my conviction public record as I am a New Jersey’s Megans Law Retroactive Registrant with a “TIER LEVEL 1” Ex Post Facto Civil Judgement “NOT FOR PUBLIC NOTIFICATION” Someone in Lee County Sheriff Office or FDLE has trashed my paperwork I came here with in 1998 and has now lied saying it was 2006 to try and cover this up. I even had the Middlesex County New Jersey prosecutors office call down to inform them it was not to be made public record! Now they place the burden of persuasion on me for a second time on the civil side of this Act. The first time was unconstitutional what do you think it is for a second time now? Let me copy this ruling from the 3rd Circuit:
We have before us challenges to the constitutionality of the notification requirements of New Jersey’s Megan’s Law based on the Ex Post Facto, Double Jeopardy, and Due Process Clauses of the United States Constitution. The issues before us are difficult but relatively narrow. We are not called upon to decide whether Megan’s Law can constitutionally be applied to one who has committed one of the designated sex crimes after its enactment. Nor, of course, is it our responsibility to determine whether the policy judgments reflected in Megan’s Law are prudent ones.
We hold that (1) the notification requirements of Megan’s Law do not constitute state inflicted “punishment” on Tier 2 and Tier 3 registrants for purposes of the Ex Post Facto and Double Jeopardy Clauses; (2) the Due Process Clause of the United States Constitution forecloses New Jersey from placing the burden of persuasion on the registrant in a proceeding challenging a Tier 2 or Tier 3 classification and notification plan; and (3) the Due Process Clause requires the state at such a proceeding to shoulder the burden of justifying the classification and notification plan by clear and convincing evidence.
They knew what Congressman Dick Zimmer did with stripping out the Due Process AND Tier Level 1 in name only but put low level non violent into a higher classification for a 100% public registry in H.R. 2137 cited as “Megans Law” federal amendment. They were covering their ass with a very small number who if put on a public registry could expose what he did. HERE I AM!
This is why I say I need to become the Rosa Parks of the registry and refuse to register. I’m not failing to register, I’m refusing to allow them to keep punishing me and 45% of today’s registry with public shaming. I could have challenged this back in 1999 and tried in 2005 but had H.R. 2137 slapped on the desk an told it would cost me 100,000+ to fight it and I would get it past the 11th Circuit. ( Just like Bubble Brain all about the money not our civil rights ) In 2005 the very next day after I met with an Attorney Sgt. Booth LCSO showed up mad as a hornet telling me to move if I didn’t like the public bashing an my tires slashed I had recently had happen.
I had received an email from FAC one time talking about being a team player. I am not some 2nd or 3rd string player so if FAC or NARSOL want me on this team you need to understand I expect a defense put together that can win the “World Championship” cause that is my goal. I can fight to win for me as a single player and go away with a quiet settlement or I can fight this as a team for all of us. YOUR CALL… I have spent 26 years on their public registry wrongfully and I’m willing to fight them publicly showing the world proof what these 2 ( Dick Zimmer / David Souter ) did against us to hide the double punishment.
Mr. Doe, we are in the 11th Circuit. We are not in the 3rd, nor the 6th, where case law is different.
The only precedent that would be binding on a FLORIDA district court would be from the 11th Circuit or the Supreme Court of the United States.
If you want to cite to the case law you propose we rely on in this “world championship” lawsuit you propose, please share the citation here. If you don’t feel comfortable sharing your proprietary information publicly, you can email it to [email protected].
You spend a lot of time writing comments, but have not yet provided this “smoking gun” that would bring the registry to its knees.
FAC is here. FAC is listening.
Nicely said