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A couple of books I now recommend:
On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century by Timothy Snyder
How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us Versus Them by Jason Stanley
Both authors are Yale professors so they know their stuff. Stanley’s book particularly relates to us because fascism (as anyone who is watching the political news today) has an obsession with ridding the nation of “undesirables”. Both books will prove very thought provoking.
Warning to Florida Action Committee Members on Out-of-State Travel Requirements:
I recently spoke with a trusted friend of mine for more than 30 years who is a Florida law enforcement officer regarding the new travel registration requirements outlined by the FDLE. These changes affect both in-state and out-of-state travel, with particular emphasis on out-of-state trips. Notably, the updated rules require a 48-hour notification to be made in person at the sheriff’s office either before travel or within 48 hours after returning.
What’s more concerning, however, is a comparison my friend made to these out-of-state requirements and international travel registration. My friend said law enforcement notifies the destination country about the incoming PFR, allowing that country the option to deny entry. My friend suggested that some sheriff’s offices in Florida may be applying a similar protocol for out-of-state travel. This means that local law enforcement might be alerting the destination state, county, or city of a registrant’s travel plans, potentially coordinating with the destination area for monitoring, tracking, or even arrest actions.
Your thoughts?
I thought it was standard operating procedure for Florida to notify other states when an out-of-state temporary or permanent residence is registered. I would actually be surprised if there’s not some kind of automated electronic notification system in place.
So registry is supposedly not punishment, but we seem to be the only class of people in the U.S that can get arrested for merely visiting a relative in another state. If you can be arrested for something, it is punitive. We are not being arrested for a law any other citizen could be arrested for, but for non-criminal behaviors that only we are held accountable for.
Why a supreme court judge can grow a pair and step up and defend our rights is beyond me. You take an oath to be fair but then throw us under the bus, even though most of us have long since done our time.
The state of Florida used the premise in 1997 that they were applying the S 0 act as a civil law only. Therefore, they applied it retroactively using the federal commerce claws to people who were already active in the system after Oct 01, 1997. The fist law out of Tallahassee allowed removal after 10 years when completing one’s sentence with no other convictions. Also, there was a confusion because it said that the law could NOT be applied to anyone who had their civil rights restored,. But would be applied to people who had adjudication withheld. And if one had adjudication withheld, one didn’t lose civil rights. But they applied it to everyone.
The law has evolution-ized to what it is today, very punitive and very unconstitutional. it’s been applied retroactively at will to folks whose cases can go back 40 years.
I think that the 11 Dist Court in doe vs swearin, got it right when they figured this could be a continued violation of doctrine for those who have been on the list since prior to 1997
Finally!
im glad someone else here remembers that it was 10 years then in mid 1998 it was changed i argued with a bunch of people including one that is a lawyer wanna be that was or may still be involved with fcat he made a hugh bet with me about this and lost and his payment was to talk crap about me
And each legislation gathering, they make a point to throw in at least one more pain point for us to live with. I have heard some on here who are not on probation but still getting multiple visits to their home from law enforcement, to the point of feeling like probation. (Visits past the 1,2 or 4 times a year compliance checks)
If you find an old library with the printed 1997 Fl Chapters it has it.
My mom is in her later years, in poor health, and when her time comes, her funeral will be in a FL county that has restrictions not only for living, but also travelling in “forbidden” areas. Naturally, it’s almost all “forbidden,” including the church she attended until the dementia progressed too far, which is where her funeral will most likely be held. I know I can use that as an excuse to go into that county, but the last thing I want is some self righteous person getting me locked back up for being there to say my goodbyes. So I have that obvious concern of whether or not to go when that time comes when my freedom is potentially at risk.
Vindicated
I do not see it being constitutional to be banned from a church or a funeral. When we cannot even attend worship services or a loved one’s funeral, they have stepped over the moral and legal line.
File the lawsuit, I bet once filed the governor will have second thoughts. These are basic rights that everyone has. Heck, even in prison I got to attend church services. I would stand with you on that one.
I have attended several churches over the years since my release and never, ever had an issue.
The Free Exercise Clause prevents the government from prohibiting the free exercise of individual religious beliefs. It also provides some protection for religious practices.
“either before travel or within 48 hours after returning” Sorry, that doesn’t make any sense at all. But it wouldn’t surprise me if that is what big government is doing, they aren’t exactly known for being smart or competent.
“People” who support the Registries are pathetic. They just keep grasping at dumber and dumber harassment in order to grow big government and the Registries. The awesome thing about this is while they are burning resources with this nonsense paperwork they are not doing anything to even try to prevent any actual crimes or certainly to solve any. All those crimes are happening while they are doing paperwork. I guess too bad for all the extra victims government fails to protect.
The funny thing about this BS too is that it just makes me enjoy every single day even more as I directly and empirically observe that the Registries do not protect anyone or anything. The Registries are not just worthless though, they are very counterproductive. They are a direct cause of a lot of extra crime, radicalization, and anti-social behavior. This kind of travel harassment does less than nothing. Good theater for dumb people though. Dummies eat it up.
Will
However, when WE are the victims of Registry crimes (When someone attacks us, or our property because we are on the registry) my sheriff’s office won’t even come out, they tell me to file a report which I do, but never even a follow up.
I have written so many of them that I actually gave up and do not even report anymore.
The registry created new types of crimes for vigilantes to commit, and basically get away with.
Of course they do. this is nothing new. It has always been the policy.
When I visit my mother in another state that jurisdiction always contacts me to confirm my plans and track me while visiting.
They have always notified your destinatin in the USA of your arrival, destinations and time of leaving their jurisdiction.
Why did you think that reporting was mandatory? Just for kicks?
And yet my constant destination (NY) doesn’t care as ive never been public on it and i was removed years ago. Its a total waste. The only list im on is the dumb florida one for some insane reason.
Hernando county information the county in the state you are traveling to. Just to covery ass I review the registration requirements for where I am going and call that counties svu ahead of time and let them know the plans, after that I go to my sheriff’s office and register my itinerary. ALWAYS check the laws of where you want to go.
I recently made a road trip to Nebraska and Colorado to visit family. I complied with Florida’s requirement to report. I went a step further and called both jurisdictions where I would be staying. I Asked for their requirements and verbally told them over the phone of my travel plans and itinerary. Once there I reported in person to Nebraska and did their temporary registration. I did not have to report in person to Colorado however I did call once I had arrived and the Detective informed me that Florida had contacted them. My point is that I knew Florida was hoping to have me harassed or arrested in another jurisdiction and that by my pre-emptive contact to ensure I was well within those jurisdictions registration requirements I was able to protect myself. My advise on travel out of State is to never arrive or depart on a non business day. In Nebraska I timed my arrival during business hours on a Monday and drove straight to the Sheriffs office and reported. I timed my return to Florida on a Monday during business hours and drove directly to the Sheriffs office and reported. The only way to protect or defend yourself is to leave no room for question as to your compliance.
Are many on the registry sexual predators or sexual offenders? I’m sure their is a difference. Sure we all want fairness and justice and not some improvable method type of injustice infraction. Yes we all look for a second chance, some type of redemption, pardon, or to explain our ordeal without compromise from injustice abuse by government. A plea deal is a compromise and not true justice.
While I am not sure many can vote due to this registry I think many should take a look at Kama la Harris as she does believe in redemption and second chance.https://www.c-span.org/video/?535184-101/vice-president-harris-chance-month-roundtable This whole sex registry has gotten out of hand since much of its inception and is unethical in many ways as the blind leading the blind. I believe it would be a good idea for FAC to channel these redeeming factors in stressing the need to bring common sense meaning to those that have gotten rapped up in much of this registry hi-jacking abuse. Making criminals out of people by this registry ruse.
Saddles
I do not think any president is wanting to weigh in on sex offenders, registries and our plight. They want votes and we cannot vote so we matter not. Same with judges, most believe relieving a sexual offender of their requirements, or ending registries is political suicide.
I still cannot fathom how they were able to retroactively apply it. Those who went to court once the registry was in place were able to at least ask for a deal since they are facing registration.
Myself and many others were pre-registry and if we knew what was coming, many, including myself would have gone to trial. But since there are no do overs, nothing we can do about it unless an important judge has some sympathy on us and gives us a chance to prove ourselves. (Think many of us already have with decades off the registry)
With the help of Ron Kleiner I was recently removed from the Florida registry and would like to visit Disney World with family. I have not visited since being on the Florida registry. Does anyone have any information or experience with Disney?
Doesnt really matter now that youre clear.
We have been told that they check driver’s licenses upon entry into the park. You will no longer have the compelled speech marking on your license, so I do not see how it would be a problem for you as they do not do background checks.
Your question is a good one. Let us know if you run into any problems.
Good luck.
Thanks, first thing did was obtain a new license without the Florida statue printed on it.
Congratulations JD! If you don’t mind sharing how did he get you off the register?
Thanks,
Mac
I had a military conviction for sexual assault (touching of buttocks) in 1999. Ron Kleiner filed paperwork with local US District Court in my county. It was unopposed so judge signed without my appearance in court. Still concerned about traveling out of Florida.
I’m happy for you. Do your best to enjoy life. Be a great citizen. You’re free again.
Freedom is precious.
I would do anything to be free again.
Lots of long lines, walking and standing. Get the lightning passes. As far as your past conviction, I have been to multiple theme parks without incident. Although you are no longer on the registry, try not to present your id if you can help it. I am always with my wife and kids and she handles the tickets which is when they ask for id.
Why would any sane person want to spend money at a place that bans us. Even though you can go once you are off the registry, why spend money on a business that chooses to exclude us from sharing a good time with their family? It is not the courts telling them to ban us, rather they choose to do so.
They won’t get a damn dime from me.
ST. LOUIS (AP) — Many states have laws designed to keep children away from convicted sexual offenders on Halloween night, such as curfews for those on offender registries and requirements to keep their porch lights off.
But a Missouri law mandating a sign at the offender’s home was a step too far, a judge ruled.
A 2008 law required registered offenders in Missouri to post signs on Oct. 31 that read “No candy or treats at this residence.” U.S. District Judge John Ross ruled this month that the provision violated the First Amendment by forcing “compelled speech,” depriving those on the registry “of their freedom to speak in their own words or to not speak at all.”
The ruling lets stand other provisions of the Missouri law that require people on the registry on Halloween to remain inside their home from 5 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. and to leave their outdoor lights off.
If this is the case for which Janice Bellucci is the attorney, it is being appealed. Why is beyond me. Apparently the Missouri attorney general has not seen all the other cases in the middle of the country and in North Florida where the signs have been ruled as compelled speech.
Thought this was a good article
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/investigations/why-sex-offenders-register-at-gas-stations-grocery-stores/85-5b9343e5-090e-4e2a-9e77-e94f919b20e2
Hopefully with the McGuire v. Alabama case being appealed to the 11th Circuit (Alabama, Florida, Georgia) this could no longer have to be a way of life.
I feel like the media doesn’t show how much of the towns are off limits due to residency restrictions that are increased every year and once you moved out you can’t move back in clause effectively creating a neighborhood free community by design.
I wish they would show a Time-lapse span it every five years and show how much of each square mile of the town is chopped off each single time. Then over lap it with working restrictions exclusion zone as well show how the homelessness of registrants have increased year by year when these statutes were passed.
By new legislation purposely aimed at excluding us from areas to live at forcing us purposely to cluster in locations, there’s not enough housing for all of these locations, forcing the people who can live there to pay more rent to live there since they know that they can charge more since they’re registrants. Then you are forced to stay at a location because your grandfather in but now the residency restrictions have gone from 1,000 feet to 2,500 feet while you lived there Meanwhile every new subdivisions has a park in the middle of it for the family so you can forget that community, yet your tax dollars help paved for its roads being built.
How can they say with a straight face that these impacts felt are only collateral consequences of our crime. But the registry is not supposed to be punitive is supposed to be civil, but when all the effects you feel only punitive, how can they say with a straight face is collateral consequence time and time again?
Their crimes did not make them homeless the state legislators after the fact of their sentence by constantly increasing distant requirements made people homeless that’s not collateral consequences that’s vindictiveness by blatant intent by openly calling for the execution of us from our communities. Any other time that person would be admonished for their behavior but no when they openly commit these acts the fellow legislators and council members stand up and appalled.
This story is absolutely barbaric what is happening to these people.
Eugene
The powers that be wave a special wand and the general public accepts magically that nothing they do to us is punishment. Of course, there are those who wish so much punishment on us that they would be would happy if we were tortured and hung in public.
I have come to accept that most of us will never be removed from the registry. I wrote a comment a few months back about how there are 1000s of dead people on the registry. If they cannot be removed, how do we expect to.
And just to note, even if you are eligible to be removed, it is not automatic, and the judge is not required to remove you even if you followed every rule and had no violations or arrests.
@Jack.
It’s hard NOT to take any of this personal, but once you understand that we’ve been commodified by capitalism for passive income by the locals for guaranteed passive income, it all makes sense. We ARE victims because our misery is being monitized. We’re made out to be the scary carnival freaks in an Online circus.
They will always cite “public safety” and “recidivism” (ignoring facts, low-threat dynamics and reality) to rationalize and justify this unconstitutional mission creep.
you hit the nail on the head its all about $$$
like rick scott and private prisons.