Trial Date set in Ex Post Facto I!!!
A trial date has been set in Does v. Glass (SDFL)!!! This is the case we referred to as “Ex Post Facto I”.
Trial has been set for July 13, 2026. Yes, that’s 2026 (not 2025), which we know is still a ways off, but remember that this case was initiated in 2018, has gone to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals (where the Does prevailed) and then back to the District Court.
We wanted to share this exciting news as it came in. More details will follow!
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Follow up Sorry. I have been saying for some time that we should have an Injunction order ready in case they try to add stuff to the already over reaching SORNA. I think it is $500 to file it? Maybe two, one for any changes or laws that apply retroactive to offense date and one for just dumb stuff that gets added. It seems to me on the one bill, HB 1351 I think or 1161 the one that adds stuff we have to report. I mean they already know where we work, so now we have to list what we do there? IE if you work at idk, Joe’s Electrician Supply and you are the fork lift driver, they already have the name address and phone number of Joe’s Electrician Supply, are they now having us add, “Fork Lift Operator”. Makes no sense to me. Sorry for the rant. Been a rough 3 months health wise for me.
You cannot file an “injunction order”. Only a judge can issue one.
No I understand that I misspoke but cant we file for an injunction?
Can someone break this down in layman’s terms please?
Still waiting in Michigan for the State to implement the changes to its sex offender registry ordered by a Federal court back in late September. The ex post facto portion of that decision would completely remove sex offenders who committed their crimes before 2012 from the registry, including myself. But as I learned from the Does v Snyder case several years ago, there is no sense getting excited about it until and unless it is actually implemented.
Michiganders may not realize how closely we Floridians are watching developments there. Updates such as Gerald’s are always welcome.
Thank you Jacob. I try to contribute because I know that offenders in EVERY State are being stigmatized for life, not to protect the public, but to continue to persecute people who have already served their time.
Gerald
Contribution is good.
Thanks Gerald. If it turns out that PFR’s who committed crimes before 2012 will not be required to register in Michigan, do you know whether that will also apply to Floridians who are on Florida’s registry and move to Michigan? Thanks.
RayO
You do know that even if you move to another state and they do not make you register, you cannot “Un-register” from Florida and will still have to come back and register 2 to 4 times a year (Depending on what schedule you are on, two times a year or four). Moving does not make the Florida registry go away, nor does death.
Are you willing to spend money traveling back to Florida several times a year because those who look you up in the new state would still be able to find you on Florida’s list unless you are removed by a judge, and in that case, you could then just stay in Florida. Several people who comment on here are in different states and left Florida and state they wish they had just stayed because they have to spend part of their vacations and money coming back to Florida “X” amount of times to re-register.
Seems Florida owns us until or otherwise the tides turn for the better. Florida has created too many registry positions to let people off. They get funding and get to hire more law enforcement (who would be better off serving the citizens on patrol instead of being registry enforcement officers)
If you no longer reside in Florida, you are not required to return.
Why does it take over a year for a trial date?
@Connie
The courts have been dragging their feet for years when it comes to anything to do with sex offenders, the registry or our rights. They like to kick the can down the road and hope we just go away.
Connie whats the hurry?
CRB
Some of us are older and some of us are disabled. My crime was almost 4 decades ago. Did my time but unless something changes, the registry is forever. If those of us have not committed any crimes before or after that event commit another crime, they have only themselves to blame.
Unfortunately, there are laws that no other people on earth can commit other than registered people. Just being late to register can get you 5 to 20 years in prison. More than someone who robs a store in some instances.
BF was arrested 1991. Served jail time with probation to follow. off probation 2004. Arrest was 34 years ago. It was consensual, He knew his victim. She was underaged. No assault, no abuse. He agreed to a plea deal in 1991. He was an alcoholic. He made a bad choice and will live with this until the day he dies. There is not a day that goes by that he does not think about what he did. He has not had alcohol since 1991. He has a good job, He owns his own home, and pays taxes. He has been a law-abiding citizen. Every NEW SO law pertains to him because he is on the SO registry. Being on the SO registry, he worries about his job due to the new SO laws. He does not want problems at work. He is worried about vigilantes, he does not want problems at his home or with his neighbors. He worries about were he can go and not go, he worries about his family going to a hurricane shelter and he cannot go, He worries about not being able to go into a nursing home if and when he needs one. He worries about his family going on vacation without him because he cannot go. (I could go on and on) He said if he knew he would have had to be on a SO registry when he signed his plea agreement, he would not have signed it. It was not in his plea agreement. Every new law and or ordinance pertains to him. This was 34 years ago. So yes, we are old now, and would like to see a change. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, and YES WE ARE IN A HURRY. I believe is second chances. Please do not respond with hate.
I have already heard it before.
@ connie
WOW. Me and your BF must be clones. Everything you said is the same. My case was also 1991 and 34 years ago. Was with someone who wanted to be with me but they were under 18. They did not tell, one of their friends did.
I lost every job I had because even though I was truthful when they hired me, once a customer or employee found out, they made a big deal about it that I was either told to quit or get fired. I also watch my family go off to vacations to the moon or wherever they go LOL and I cannot go unless I want to end up in jail or another states registry.
Seems we have a life but that life sucks lemons.
I have a lot of medical issues, and I am not afraid to die but really do not want to die and be on the registry forever like some who have already died and are still on it.
Blessings to you Connie for standing by your man, you seem like a good person.
Connie
Unfortunately this will take years.
Connie
Thank you for that. You’re BF isn’t alone with those fears.
Time is of Essence
Because no one ever demands “emergency relief” due to the fact that lives are being lost.
SORA is not just a threat to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, for every member of the public, it is also responsible for terminating the lives of many innocent members of the public!
It endangers EVERYONE!
Plenty of time For FDLE ATTORNEYS to ask for a dismissal on the case, due to time ran out or some other felonious reason, to get it dismissed..
@Rick
Are they really so scared we might actually win that they have to lie, cheat and give false information.
They really do not care if we ever get removed except for the fact, if we get off the registry, jobs will go away, kickbacks and funding goes away etc etc.
I cannot give exact numbers, but registries have created millions of dollars of jobs, resources and funding.
12 billion annually – of WASTE FRAUD AND ABUSE!
James
Where did these numbers come from?
The total cost of SORNA, from tax dollars, lawyer fees, court fees, etc….annually is btw $10 billion and $20 billion; the Federal Byrne Funds that are funneled to the states
-these are total costs; includes great take-out meals; gas allowances; Wawa allowances etc…
It is difficult to put a single number to it….But just think of all the overtime, all the vehicles they get that are modified; New Sheriff’s buildings. etc
So the costs are mixed bags of Taxpayer wastes;
for example where I live, there are ONLY/only 52 people that are forced to register; the bureau here just got a new $120K Black Denali; and $350K for what ever; I register annually during Christmas time; the Christmas displays are quite lavish at the Bureau…They give me a Large Candy Cane!
-Enough Said
And they all have what is called Qualified Immunity!
Cj
Thanks, do you still have to pay for Registry an how much ( if you don’t mind)
This country wrote the book on man’s inhumanity to man. From the time we first set foot here. This was the Indians home. We took care of that nearly pushing them out of existence. African Americans, they were treated like property, bought sold and nobody cared. Even after they were freed, they really weren’t. World War l l, we rounded up all the Japanese, took them from their homes and put them in camps. Took everything they owned from. them. Ruling people need someone to push around, mistreat, and control by whatever means necessary. Here we are and it will probably get worse before a change. I have only seen it getting worse in my almost 20 years being on the registry.
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@AI
Back in the 1800s, my great grandmother was a Cherokee Elder. She met my great grandfather who was a German Immigrant and they fell in love. The army began rounding up the native tribes and she did not want to get taken away. Her sweet heart snuck her into a cabin and cut her hair short and bought her a fancy white woman’s dress. They left soon after and got married and moved to the city and lived as immigrants.
If not for that, none of my family would exist. I am a mixed breed (referred to as being a half blood)
but I have the Cherokee Spirit and am very adventurous, resourceful and am able to survive any circumstances with the heritage that runs in my veins.