VIDEO: Senate Appropriations Committee on Transportation, Tourism and Economic Development SB 1252
Meeting on April 6, 2023
Pay careful attention to Ann Salamone’s presentation against this bill around the 2:00 mark.
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No debate on the bill!! all are of one mind, one thought and one goal!! keeping their gold chair on the job, they wont risk speaking up, they wont jeopardize their careers. We must intensify our efforts on the sue front, on the Florida courts. Legislator wont listen and wont help unless they are force by the courts. I hope you all understand that. As I mention before, how much can cost the best US attorney to represent us at the supreme court? 100K, 200K or 300K?? We have more than 2500 members and supporters. We can all chip 100 dollars and pay the best attorney money can buy. Please work on that! thanks
Excellent idea. I know its difficult for some to scrape up the $100.00 but when you look at it as $2.50 a week for 40 weeks, it looks doable. I can think of several things I can cut down on or do without to make this happen. Maybe FAC can set up a fund for it so we can contribute the $100.00 when we have saved it up. In a year or a year and a half we could have that $250,000.00 to get a really good Constitutional Law Firm.
FAC has already set up such a fund, it continues to receive your donations, and our excellent lawyers are hard at work.
what we have is a fund for the sustainer, Im talking about hiring the best attorney money can buy. To fight for us in FL. I know there are challenges on the expofacto clause on the courts. Im talking about an overhaul and sue every law in FL that might look unconstitutional, and make them pay for our suffering under these laws. when they get hit with 2 o 3 of this .. believe me when I tell you they will hear us out. They will lose millions and they will stop!
The Ex Post Facto Sustainer takes on the State of Florida’s registration scheme in its entirety. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Attorneys Val Jonas and Tod Scher have shown in their filings that they are the best attorneys in the state to argue this case. And they haven’t asked us for a penny in legal fees, because they get paid by the defendant if they win. Most of our legal donations go to expert witness fees, which are crucial for challenging sex offender registries, as well as transcript fees, filing fees, etc.
That leaves individual county ordinances such as expanded exclusion zones and holiday decorations, and that may be what you’re referring to. Attorneys at JLI have done a great job taking on a couple of those, and there are plenty more.
One of the best strategies for county challenges might be to have our lawyers help us identify which county ordinance(s) are most vulnerable to challenge; defeat them, then use that defeat as precedent throughout the state. Call it the ACSOL model, which was pioneered successfully in California. Keep in mind that in most counties we’ll need plaintiffs willing to put their real names out there. Great attorneys will continue to take these cases when they think they can win!
(I am neither a lawyer nor on FAC’s legal committee, just posting what I’ve observed so far).
Jacob, please, can you tell me about the two attorneys that are helping us. What filings are you talking about.
Thanks,
Dennis
Filings such as the following:
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ex-post-facto-lawsuit-filed/
An update may be found here:
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/updates-on-ex-post-facto-1-and-2/
Case 1 https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/38167792/doe_v_SWEARINGEN Going to trial later this year
Case 2
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/25861536/Does,_15_v_Swearingen This case is pending lawsuit case 1
The reason for no debate is because other than Section 17 the bill is a good bill. So to them its 95% good and they turn a blind eye to 5%. If you noticed at the beginning the person reviewing the bill doesnt even mention section 17. It is just slide in there with no justification, no thought. So those Senators listening here all of that and to them its good. There is no way they read all these bills.
Did she think they were only adding a “red letter A” to the licenses? I thought I heard her say that in the speech.
She was speaking metaphorically. She is a brave and heroic woman who stood up for us when she didn’t have to!
And the idiot completely avoided ANYTHING about the scarlet letters.
I thought name calling is a no no on this site?? Ann brought forth good talking points and delivered her speech in a very professional manner. Thanks goes to Ann. We need more like her!
Fact based arguments lose. When are we gonna learn?
“According to new research published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, personal stories are more effective in promoting respect and understanding among people who disagree on moral and political issues than facts and statistics.
The researchers conducted 15 experiments and found that when people heard stories that were rooted in experiences of harm or vulnerability, they respected those who held opposing views more. The research also found that in actual face-to-face interactions, online debates and debates between talking heads on television, experience-based arguments garnered more respect between opponents than arguments based on facts.
Additionally, people respected opponents most when they’d been through something themselves, followed by when they shared the experience of a friend or family member, and they were least impressed when someone based an argument on a stranger’s anecdote or story they’d read about.
Personal experiences have fueled recent movements, such as Black Lives Matter and the #MeToo movement.”
Can you give us a link to the research? Thank you.
https://www.livescience.com/facts-dont-win-political-arguments.html
To your point there is a great book called “How Minds Change” by David McRainey. It talks about deep canvassing and the door to door efforts made to move the needle on Gay Marriage. When the canvassers shared their personal stories with those who were opposed to Gay Marriage they literally changed their minds, in most cases, that very day. They also solicited personal stories from those that were opposed.
Emotion, hysteria and fear will always override logic, reason and sanity on THIS topic!
People only change their minds when they’re FORCED to do so, not when they “change their hearts.”
Great speaker! She nailed it!!
But those punk ass legislators, scared of being primaried and losing their cushy jobs, still voted in favor of this horsesh*t! Cowards all!! 😡
They will be held accountable. We just can’t see it now. I fear for their souls.
No David you nailed it and always many others. If its not you than its someone else that is a coward and talks like you and others. Government Authorities have their accountability just like everybody else so one wonders who is right today.
Now I don’t know how jive talk goes and I wasn’t a B-gee fan. Theirs a time for fighting and a time to turn the other cheek and their is also a reason for all season, or who goes to war without a charge.
I hope everyone’s think tank can understand that or who puts a rubric’s cube together without understanding the game play basics. One wonders who has understanding in all this registry ruckus. Principal is everything.
Beautiful speech. Thank you, Ann, for lifting my spirits this evening.