A case out of the 7th Circuit Court of appeals shows just how far a member of law enforcement will go to mess with someone on the registry and just how impossible it is sometimes to comply with all the rules and restrictions that accompany registration as a sex offender.
The case, Frederickson v. Landeros, is an equal protection case. Frederickson, was a homeless registrant living in Joliet, Illinois. As a homeless registrant, he was required to report WEEKLY, IN PERSON. One of the registration officers developed a dislike of Frederickson because he questioned the constitutionality of the registry. He went out of his way to make the registration process difficult for Frederickson and when Frederickson decided to move to a neighboring county, Landeros went out of his way to make it impossible. He went as far as refusing to transfer his file so that he could not register!
Frederickson sued Landeros, arguing he was not being treated equally. He won. But the reason we are sharing it is: for those who have dealt with law enforcement officers or registration personnel who feel their jobs are to punish you, let this case remind you that right often prevails!
You can read the 7th Circuit’s decision here; http://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/rssExec.pl?Submit=Display&Path=Y2019/D11-26/C:18-1605:J:Easterbrook:dis:T:fnOp:N:2436411:S:0 or listen to oral arguments here: https://www.courtlistener.com/audio/59532/rex-frederickson-v-tizoc-landeros/
yet he was still found guilty of failing to register wasnt he… do you even know his history? you know the history of rex allen frederickson scamming viewers on his youtube channel? claiming to be homeless when in fact the VA found him a home to live in and he then created a studio in a garage and claimed he slept in there in the cold, didnt have money, didnt have food and viewers donated to him… then one day he makes a live stream showing viewers that he lives in a house and eats from the table, soon after he lost most if not all of his viewers on his youtube channel, he also files frivalous lawsuits, claims to be in the special forces when he was in the army, yet we found he lied about that and he was only in for 1 yr 1 month 11 days before he was OTHER than honorablely discharged, do you also know that there was a incident in germany were he was stationed for a few months were there is rumor he assaulted a 13 yr old… which is why he was sent back home and then discharged.
since then he has created a website where you have to pay to listen to copyrighted content and audio books, he is scamming the audiobook company, for the last 4 years he has lied about almost every year of his life for the last 20 years, claiming the victim was a police plant, that the records were forged, that he never made a confession to an officer…
his victim since has committed suicide…
so i suggest before you defend a sex offender check out his/her history.
Alex Knight has the right not to be given a hard time by a law enforcement officer. He enjoys this right because people like Frederickson take the issue all the way to the court of appeals and make it binding case law on all officers in the circuit. It makes no difference what Frederickson’s criminal history is or what we think of his character. He won, and in doing so created good precedent.
yet he didnt win that lawsuit in full, he only won part because the officer was found guilty of personal animus against frederickson, yet now he is claiming in live streams the police falsified a police report for the sexual assault of a minor he plead guilty to which is why he is on the register, he is a compulsive liar, even when facts are shown he denies them, he is claiming three different handwriting and both hands used to write a false statement and it was zeroxed and added into record, yet he fails to understand anything presented into court he and his attorney get copies of it, so why didnt his attorneys notice the three handwrittings and both hands used on that report?
he also fails to understand attorneys and prosecutors get xerox copies of any wvidence presented to the court, as he signed that document after giving an interview why didnt they notice it was different when his attorneys read it, why didnt it appear to be different to the story he gave his attorney?
If you retaliate against a LE Officer for enforcing registry laws, the local news media (with LE’s assistance) will tarnish you; your family and friends will distance themselves from you; and the judge will castigate you.
On the plus side, though, as you sit in your cell, you’ll be able to congratulate yourself for doing what is just and right.
If LE misapplies the law, do what this petitioner did— go to court to have the officer’s qualified immunity removed so you can sue him.
That’s only if anyone knows about it. In this particular case, the guy really didn’t have the proper resources to fight back. For a person who does have ample resources, the first time that this LE officer committed an untenable crime or harassment, he could have been forced to either do the right thing or no longer be an LE officer any longer. 100% guaranteed and easily. Depending on the severity of measures that had to be taken, people might know why or they might not.
That is what could have happened if this LE officer would have harassed the wrong person. And I think nearly all criminal LE officers know that. They know who they can harass and who they cannot. They’ll harass people that they can. For the most part, of course. Some are too dumb to know any better and they suffer.
actually he did have attorneys, he had more than 3 during this case, try looking it up, he was at the time in jail, using the free public defenders to represent him, also the record states he is NOT homeless which was one of the issues in the case… he was still found guilty of not registering as a sex offender but won against the cop for personal animus
All million+ people who are listed on the Registries should be retaliating every day. Not every other day, but every day. That should be the goal and it should be made known to the media. By that, I mean that people who are listed on the Registries have been told that they do not have to be good, contributing citizens in America. So they should not be. They should look out for themselves, family, and friends. F everyone else. And that’s okay, because that is literally what ALMOST everyone else, hundreds of millions of people, have always been doing. Just take a casual look around. Look at all the hateful scumbags. They are only decent when it’s convenient and working out for them.
I’m talking about retaliation that is legal. But it matters. I have a very long list of actions that I have taken and will continue to take to retaliate. A key one is to keep LE broke and dysfunctional. LE struggles. They aren’t very good at it. They are extremely inefficient. I help that and I help them to have less resources. The less they have, the more they have to focus on actual problems.
What else? I used to give blood as often as I could. I haven’t for over 20 years now. If everyone did what I did, Amerika would have no blood and it would have to import it from China or something. I cancelled my organ donorships (who wants a “$EX offender” organ anyway?!). Cancelled AMBER, etc. alerts. Stopped giving to and helping charities decades ago. Today, I could give them a lot of money. But I’m not going to give them $1. I know people who are more deserving.
What else? I target people all the time. When it comes time to promote someone and make them rich, I first understand what they think about government. If they don’t properly hate them, I kick them to the curb. I own a lot of housing and I use it all the time to manipulate people. Just because of the Registries.
So that is the type of retaliation that I’m talking about. There isn’t going to be any sitting in a jail cell. If there is, very bad things will happen to individuals. But no one will know who did it. Or possibly even why. That is trivial to accomplish these days. There won’t be any media “tarnishing”. It will just be more terrible, random news.
Informed “people” who support Registries are monsters. They are nothing but harassing terrorists who cannot mind their own business or leave other families alone. There is no need to be nice to them or be concerned about their quality of life or their families’. Wage war on them.
Amerika is a very hateful place today. I don’t have the slightest doubt that Registries have created plenty of that.
The day might be coming when we will not feel alone in all of this. I believe it is in Wisconsin that someone is proposing a registry for all murderers. There are also talks somewhere about starting a registry for people who have abused animals. I am starting to wonder if this “registry” concept is about to explode in coming years. Once half this nation is on some sort of registry, maybe then the fruitlessness of it will be seen.
I have many friends through FAC. I have not personally met all of you but know that you are my friends. The best part of this group is that we do not pass judgment on others. My family members are good people, but there is no support from them. The night that my husband was arrested, all any of them would say is that he deserved what he got and I should divorce him. They could not relate to the knife I felt like had been stabbed through my heart and twisted. But it has been three years since the night of his arrest, and God has brought me a long way.
I was able to visit with my husband this past Thursday through Sunday. It was a blessed time for us both, particularly that we are down to two months until his release. Saturday evening, though, it appears that he had a mini stroke (TIA). His health has always been so good, particularly for a 78-year-old man. It was so hard yesterday to see him not speaking as clearly as he normally does, hearing a slight voice change, his slight difficulty in holding cards, and having so much trouble staying awake. I know that if it is a TIA, he most likely will have a full recovery, but it was so hard not being able to take care of him and watch him in his declined state. If he were at home, I could have taken him to excellent medical facilities, but the prison system does not have the money to have him tested to see if it could have been indicative of a bigger stroke to come. I was told that if he has a full blown stroke, 911 will be called to administer the necessary drug given to stroke patients.
Prisons are unhealthy places to be, as most of you can attest. The food is processed, even unrecognizable at times. He gets no exercise. At home, I have always fed him lots of fresh vegetables and fruits, plus seen to it that he exercised on a regular basis. Just two more months and maybe I can undo some of the damage that has been done.
I know I am way off topic. If the FAC censors allow my above comments, let me say thank you to all FAC members. From the day that I first started interacting with all of you last May, a major turning point in my life started, all for good.
He is truly blessed to have just two more months until you are together again full-time. I admit that my heart skipped a beat when I saw the word “stroke.”
And it’s true! There’s a white-collar registry in Utah, plus various other registries elsewhere. I thought these developments might increase the constituency for registry reform. I fear, though, that these developments may normalize the concept of registries.
I hope your fears about the normalization of registries does not come to fruition, but unfortunately it could. I am reading right now about Sheriff Russ Gibson from Osceola County who is meeting with local and state representatives, as well as a Florida Senator, to discuss initiating a task force which could lead to a statewide task force with a domestic violence registry for the state of Florida.
If these new types of registries continue to grow, I am assuming that there will eventually be new state laws and county ordinances these new registrants have to follow. Once all people on these different types of registries cannot live within 2500 feet of certain places, have buffer zones, have to register in person periodically, and so on, there could be a huge pushback from all registrants, or at least I hope so.
You’ve highlighted the main difference (so far) between sex registries and other registries. The latter don’t come with banishment laws. Not yet, so far. Did I mention that Indiana now has a general felon registry?
Re this new task force, maybe we need to start asking people, do you want to stop people from committing domestic violence, or do you just want a registry? Will the task force investigate, what have we learned so far about domestic violence reduction and prevention (what has worked), and why haven’t we tried those yet? And if LE maintains that a registry would “give them a tool,” we might ask, a tool to do what, and are we designing the registry in such a way to give them that tool. Ugh.
You just sound like an awesome person and great wife. If all people were as compassionate as you I think the world could be a decent place.
It is hard to watch people decline. It is easy to stick with someone when they are strong and doing good things for you. Not so easy when they start to decline and you are having to take care of them. But good people do.
And speaking of that, I’m not so sure your “family members are good people”. I had a friend that I knew for a very long time and he was convicted of child molestation over a decade ago. All of us who were supposedly very good friends, who hung out together, whose families vacationed together, etc., etc., abandoned him except for my family.
Who needs “friends” like that? What did their behavior show me? That they are “there for me” and “great friends” as long as I am the person they think I am? As long as it is working out for them? Or that there is some line that will end it if it is crossed, but I don’t really know what the line is? I guess I have lines for them as well.
My friend has always been a good person and hopefully always will be. He did some bad things but it didn’t make him a bad person. We can punish him and still be friends with him.
Personally, I think he’s already been imprisoned for about 5 years longer than he should have been. I think his punishment has far outweighed the damage that he has done, especially relative to other crimes that clearly cause more real damage. I hate any government or person who thinks the punishment that he received was just. I pray that people who think it is are exactly the people that we lock up for life.
And speaking of which, I hope that people who advocate abandoning other people are abandoned very often. A person who would abandon a friend in need, needs to be abandoned today. Family member or not.
SarahF, I hope your husband will make a full recovery soon. I know what you mean about the abandonment by family and “friends.” After my arrest, before my conviction, I was kicked out of my church. I can count on one hand the number of real friends I have left. I am enclosing a link to the master menu of FDOC. They feed just enough to keep you alive, if you could stomach it. I was spending about $50-$100 per month on commissary and still lost 20 lbs.
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ci/menus/MasterMenu.pdf
The menu makes it sound better than it is. My husband says that most of the time their meat is a hotdog for supper and there is often not a bun to go with it. My husband has always liked hotdogs, but he said he never wants to eat one again after he leaves.
When he was put into the general population in closed security, he got down to 139 pounds. He only had 10 minutes to eat and he said he could not finish his food. Now that he is in a dementia unit where he is protected and taken care of, he looks like he is back to his normal weight.
Thank you Jacob, Will Allen, JZ, and everyone.
By the way, my project now is writing letters and emails to some churches in Suffolk, Virginia where a number of churches take turns providing a warm place for the homeless to sleep and eat on very cold nights. On the surface, it appears to be a very heart-warming ministry until you read close to the end that registrants are not allowed in. I have almost finished my 2-page letter to the churches listed in the article and to the lady heading up this group of churches. They have destroyed their witness — actions speak louder than words. I am asking them to reconsider their exclusion of registrants.
Is the church group’s position that if they shelter someone on the registry, they cannot provide for the safety of the others?
Prison menus are quite adequate. Problem is the implementation. Officers have a thousand mouths to feed and limited time in which to feed them. So they cut corners. There is no oversight, other than occasional scheduled inspections by their peers, with ample warning.
Ample warning is right.
The article did not say why registrants were excluded, but I read this everywhere — whether it is other warming centers up north, shelters of any kind, and programs to help released inmates get back on their feet. I think the assumption is always that registrants are just dying to sexually assault people. It is an ignorance that I will never understand.
So the purpose of excluding registrants from emergency shelters is security theater— giving the appearance of prudently maintaining safety so as not to alienate donors. Shelters would not feel compelled to do this, were the public better educated. Which they will be, thanks to the efforts of people such as yourself, but it will take a lot more time.
Did you know that in Virginia last year, when the legislature passed a bill making it difficult for registrants to access public emergency shelters, the governor there vetoed it! And that governor is still there, while the legislative majority that passed that bill has since been voted out. You’d think a Virginia church-run shelter network would take some peace of mind from this.
I read about the governor’s veto. It is incidents like this one that give me hope some day that things will change for the better.
Thank you, FL Action Committee, for your tireless efforts. They are a strong beginning. But I think we need a national-level organization to better deflect the heat and netork/ coordinate a national strategy in fixing these injustices, maybe the ACLU or NARDOL. Police have to be beyond prejudice, and they must be honest to the core. Black Lives Matter began this accountability. Our examples lately with Comey, Meuller, and the FBI and IC seniors are examples of this corrupt dishonesty with no accountability. When they are not, not only does the guilty party need censor, but their seniors need to take responsibility for allowing or not knowing about their poor judgement. As Americans we need to quit being a silent majority and begin making our leaders accountable. Letters of Admonition and firing are appropriate.
That is great news.. This is why I donate to FAC every month. A great group of people and the information is priceless.
In Orange County (Florida) upon re-reg there is a map and if you are homeless you just tell the cop your sector you are in and that’s it. Cops have given up trying to find out exactly where you sleep at night if homeless. You may also give your employer address if homeless.
Orange county has decided as long as a homeless RSO appears in their month of re-reg they are compliant!
JEV – True Confessions
Really, this is a case where someone going to register was giving the authorities he was registering with, a hard time. The sheriff here was only doing his job, which was to register the offender. However, the offender was giving the sheriff a hard time about registering, which would get old after a while, especially since the sheriff doesn’t make the registry laws-the state or government does. The sheriff’s duty is to register you, not make laws or hear about how wrong the registry is. If we as offenders want to make a difference or complain about how wrong the registry is, the sheriff’s office is the wrong place to do it. They have a job to do right or wrong and can’t really do anything about changing laws-that’s what the courts are for. Now this could only make it worse for others even though the conclusion is right. You can be right, but expressing it in the wrong place could end up with far reaching ugly results, in which case, it would have been better to exercise your right in the court system than the sheriff’s office.
If your dissatisfied with a service or business you usually voice your displeasure with the employee that you are in contact with whether it’s a cashier manager Sheriffs deputy or civilian employee you may make them aware of a situation they weren’t aware of before. As far as them not being policymakers that is true but they do have the ears of those in policymaking positions I strongly recommend you voice your displeasure as respectfully and as cordially as possible but never ever think why bother their just doing their jobs especially when it comes to your rights and your dignity otherwise just lay down and take whatever they dish out.
I agree completely. I’ll talk to LE if they are decent people. But I will make fun of the Registries every single time that I see them. I intend for the Registries to cause as much trouble as possible. I want people to remain very displeased and upset because of the Registries. People need to suffer.
It helps to lower the morale of people who are involved with the Registries. All of the smart, decent people have abandoned the Registries. Only the dipsh*ts are left. All over Amerika.
When they tried to adopt they Adam Walsh Act here, every Sheriff in this state withstood it. So technically, they were on our side. This guy apparently was nagging about the registry every time he went, which as I said, would get old. Most sheriffs are on our side more than you think and would much rather be doing something else than registering offenders or going out to locate them. There is no justifying nagging a sheriff every time you register about something he/she cannot change. It’s like nagging your local manager all the time about the same thing they cannot change when it is the president of the company who lays down the rules. If you want change, you’ve got to bark up the right tree. You’ll never get change barking at a single sheriff. You’ll only make him angry at you. People need to use sense about who to speak or complain to and the sheriff isn’t one of them.
Try suing a sheriff for the laws the state or government makes and see how that works out for you. His right complaint was rightly stated but in the wrong place and he ended causing prejudice and problems for himself he could have completely avoided if he stated them where a difference could actually be made. He brought this on himself
We shouldn’t have to drink the Kool Aid this gentleman probably lacked the resources to write or email his state senator or representative and voiced his displeasure with the only person he comes face to face with thinking that the Sheriffs rep can’t do anything about it is false your voice may cause them to research and relay why registrants are so upset and what a waste of resources the registry is. I had a Sheriffs rep that I was comfortable with he would say how are you today I would reply this is 2 hours out of my life I won’t get back he would nod I got the feeling he understood because he never seemed annoyed but at last check in there was a different person I asked what happened to the last guy and was told he transferred to another department I like to think he figured out he was wasting his time there and my polite sarcasm helped him see that. It’s your right to complain about a unjust unconstitutional act law or procedure do so to who’s ever ear you have poop does swim upstream as well
“”We shouldn’t have to drink the Kool Aid this gentleman probably lacked the resources to write or email his state senator or representative and voiced his displeasure with the only person he comes face to face with thinking that the Sheriffs rep can’t do anything about it is false your voice may cause them to research and relay why registrants are so upset and what a waste of resources the registry is””
This an argument from silence. You don’t know if he lacked the resources or not.
Also, legislatively, sheriffs cannot do anything about your or mine or anyone else’s beef about the registry. To nag them every time is pointless and will only bring prejudice on your self-they don’t make the policies, they only enforce them. Yes, you do have a right to state your opinion, pretty much any place, but that can also bring unwanted consequences upon yourself and others because you rightfully stated your opinion in the wrong place and to the wrong people too many times and that’s just common sense living, regardless of your freedom of speech. It does have limits, both socially and legally.
Silence equals acceptance
Yep.
If we have 100 people going into a sheriff’s office to Register, what should that look like? All 100 of them filing in and out of there, being all nice, polite, and compliant, and supporting the whole show and theater? Saying things like, “I understand why people might be afraid and need Registries, but I’m not a threat. Everyone else on the Registries might be, but I’m not.”
Or all 100 raising holy hell? What is the correct signal?
I don’t think a person should EVER miss making a negative statement about the Registries. It should always be done. Then after Registering, go outside and demonstrate in front of the building. Registries should always be a problem for as many people as possible.
These illegal Registries aren’t going anywhere. It is past time to stop worrying about being nice or polite about them. They are war.
You’re missing the boat here. Most Sheriffs know the registry is useless and pointless and would rather be doing something else and some even oppose it like us. Your nagging them is only going to make it harder on you and others and you will turn away any compassion they have for you because a lot of them know already what you are going through.
I am glad I don’t have to register where that other guy does.
He brought a whole lot of trouble on himself for nothing.
Would it have been worth it for you to have the same thing happen to you???
I doubt it.
If so, try doing what he did every time you go in and then in the end see if it was all worth it.
Doesn’t look like it was for him.
He got raked through the coals over something that was his fault to begin with.
When you make a stand, do it in the right place among the right people.
His stand wasn’t in the right place and he suffered the consequences from it. It was his own fault for what happened to him.
@David on December 3, 2019 at 1:13 am:
Yeah, I had read few details about this guy’s specific case until just now and even now I’ve only scanned the court’s decision pages 3-7. Now that I have read that, I think even more than you are really, really missing the boat here.
If I had to Register every week with the criminal regimes, they would have a very serious problem on their hands. If they started giving me crap about anything related to that, I don’t think they would survive it. What happened to this guy would not happen to me without some really terrible retaliation. I’m sure FAC won’t even let me say. If they ever arrested me, I would not be the person with a problem. They would be.
Why would you ever dream that anyone should ever put up with what this guy had to put up with?
You said, “If so, try doing what he did every time you go in and then in the end see if it was all worth it.” Ummm, I’ve been doing what he did and more for over 20 years. It has certainly been worth it.
I thought the way that you were talking that the guy was going in there and just yelling at everyone or doing something stupid and rude like that. But I don’t see him doing anything except trying to live. And make LE follow the law. Maybe I need to read more and more closely?? Did I miss something?
And just for clarity, I’m not talking about just being a random a-hole to LE. But I promise you that I don’t give a flip about any “compassion” that they might lie they have for me or not. I certainly don’t care about their opinions.
I talk to some of the LE officers if they want. I’ll talk to them about normal things if they like. But if they talk about Registration, I’ll tell them what I want and I don’t care what they want to hear. There is a very nice LE officer who will say something, “How are you doing?” and I’ll just respond, “I’m doing fine except for this idiocy. How are you today?”
But yeah, I’m not going to let some criminal like Tizoc Landeros push me around. If he tried half of that nonsense on me, he would have a real problem. A lot worse than what happened to him.
I do get that it is easier to just keep your head down and try to go along with it all. But it is much more important to me to do what is right and moral.
Ehh no……….Wisdom is knowing when to keep your mouth shut which silence would be the result. Keep opening your mouth in the courtroom when it is not your turn to speak and see how that works out for you.
during dep this detective admitted to filing over 100 faulse reports over a 2 year time span.. does that clarify this matter…
if right often prevailed there wouldn’t be a registry..how many times was he abused and lost before be got one small win?.sad truth is that for the one small win this poor man has had the blue line will soon destroy him simply because it caters to it’s own demons..he didnt win anything he just postponed a worse fate.
Ummm… he got two BIG Wins. The district court and the circuit court.
SO WHAT DID HE WIN?
My first PO used to stop by every morning at 5 am to perform a search. When I tried to move, he said he’d violate me if I tried, so I went to his supervisor. Supervisor became my PO.
This is one of the many reasons I left Illinois. As a registrant, the police lied, falsified my records, and even so far as to contact my potential landlord and “warn him” about me. They are nasty. They are corrupt. They will go out of their way to make your life sd miserable as possible.
I must admit I find it a bit disturbing that this court found the plaintiff’s “right to register” was violated. I certainly don’t find registration a “right” and if it is, I would gladly give it up.
Amen Dustin. Amen to that!
Right On Dustin! I protested this since the day of my release.
it is all about the words we use… try this… i do not require a license for liberty… now rewrite the sentence you wrote and see the real truth.. thank you for your kind words please support the effort…
@ fredericson:
I do not require sex offender registration for liberty.
Real truth seen. Thanks.