Watch video of Senate Rules Committee meeting in which SB 234 was on the agenda, and despite numerous objections, the bill passed the Rules Committee. You can watch the video here, starting at 1:19.
https://www.flsenate.gov/media/videoplayer?EventID=1_3wpkrnbb-202103040900&Redirect=true
THANK YOU FOR SENDING YOUR APPEARANCE CARD – WITH UNITY COMES CHANGE,
We have a member representing FAC today in opposition of the SB 234, as is, and will strongly suggest an accurate definition of “a day”. Approximately 200 appearance cards will also be delivered to the meeting in opposition of SB 234, as is.
Senate Bill 234 will be heard by the Senate Rules Committee this Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 9:00-11:00 A.M.
This bill will redefine the meaning of “day” to include “part of any calendar day”. FAC has submitted a letter in opposition to the Bill which you can read here: Letter to Rules RE SB234. Additionally, we plan to have a member speak before the meeting.
We are calling on all members to contact the members of the Senate Rules Committee by calling and emailing them via the information below, and asking them to OPPOSE SB 234. Please remember to be polite and professional. Remember, they (absent Senator Book) were not the one introducing this bill, they are considering it, so be mindful of that when communicating with them.
You can also fill out an appearance card and waive speaking against the bill.
- Open this Sample SB 234 Committee Appearance Form: https://floridaactioncommittee.org/sample-sb234-committee-appearance-form/
- Enter your name, job title, address, email and phone
- Save (Download with your changes) the completed form with your name in the filename: example AnnaK.pdf
- Email completed form to: [email protected]
The blank appearance card can be printed from here: https://www.flsenate.gov/UserContent/Committees/CommitteeAppearanceForm.pdf. Please make sure you have the date of the meeting (March 4, 2021), the Bill Number (SB 234), all your contact information, that you waive speaking AGAINST the bill. If using the blank form, scan and email a copy to [email protected].
We must receive your form by 5:00 pm Wednesday March 3 so that we can present it in Tallahassee on March 4, 2021.
| CHAIR: Senator Kathleen Passidomo (R) | (850) 487-5028 | [email protected] |
| VICE CHAIR: Senator Ileana Garcia (R) | (850) 487-5037 | [email protected] |
| Senator Ben Albritton (R) | (850) 487-5026 | [email protected] |
| Senator Dennis Baxley (R) | (850) 487-5012 | [email protected] |
| Senator Aaron Bean (R) | (850) 487-5004 | [email protected] |
| Senator Lauren Book (D) | (850) 487-5032 | [email protected] |
| Senator Randolph Bracy (D) | (850) 487-5011 | [email protected] |
| Senator Jeff Brandes (R) | (850) 487-5024 | [email protected] |
| Senator Manny Diaz, Jr. (R) | (850) 487-5036 | [email protected] |
| Senator Gary M. Farmer, Jr. (D) | (850) 487-5034 | [email protected] |
| Senator Audrey Gibson (D) | (850) 487-5006 | [email protected] |
| Senator Joe Gruters (R) | (850) 487-5023 | [email protected] |
| Senator Travis Hutson (R) | (850) 487-5007 | [email protected] |
| Senator Debbie Mayfield (R) | (850) 487-5017 | [email protected] |
| Senator Bobby Powell (D) | (850) 487-5030 | [email protected] |
| Senator Kelli Stargel (R) | (850) 487-5022 | [email protected] |
| Senator Perry E. Thurston, Jr. (D) | (850) 487-5033 | [email protected] |
https://omaha.com/news/crime/omaha-sex-offender-who-said-he-was-on-the-hunt-for-kids-gets-maximum-sentence/article_3a8a37c7-9d78-58be-b72c-cc2065a52bfd.html
Here’s a perfect example of why sex offender laws protect noone. It’s one of those worst case scenarios.
This is my re-reg month and I am here in Duval county. Being disabled I do have an arrangement with one of the detectives for my re-reg requirements. Today, I called the Felony Registration office and the Ofc who answered the phone was polite and kind as he took care of my re-reg requirements.
ONE of the questions was about temporary residence. As required, I have included the address of the Naval Hospital. The Ofc asked do I stay there and I responded that I have been required to spend many overnight visits for medical procedures. He told me “Well this is technically a business, and we DONT want someone to look you up and assume your living there. Lets remove this from your re-reg document.
IF in the future you have to go back into the hospital, just give us a call and we will add the address and when your treatment is complete it will be deleted”.
Hmmmmm. How will this change when/if this bill becomes law?
Sharing an experience.
As usual, they are making up the rules as they go and flying by the seat of their pants.
I’d like to plant something else along the seats of their pants! – A size 12 boot!
The bill has essentially become law effective date as soon as Gubna DeSatanist signs it.
SB 234 3/18/2021 Senate – CS passed; YEAS 39 NAYS 0; Immediately Certified; House – In Messages
Here’s the final text of the bill:
https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/234/BillText/c2/PDF
I concur with the business exception. The analysis of the bill seems to confirm that:
According to the FDLE, the previously-described language specifies the existing protocols and practices utilized with Florida registration laws for over two decades.
A calendar day is a day; Midnight to 11:59pm, 365/366 days a year.
Residing, abiding, lodging, or living for any part of a day at a location/address counts as one (1) day.
Tracking other judicial rules and Florida Statutes, the first day at a newly established location is not counted in calculating the number of days to determine residency for the purposes of registration.
The 48 hours to register a permanent, temporary, or transient residence begins after the third calendar day counted towards residency (i.e. the 4th day at the location) regardless of what time the person departs the residence on the third day or anytime
afterwards.
The FDLE provides the following additional comments regarding the protocols on calculating days and the language in the bill that codifies that protocol:
This protocol carries the benefits of eliminating any need or question regarding “stopwatch” timing or calculating across calendar days or time zones to determine residency on the part of those required to register or those tasked with enforcing or prosecuting registration laws.
Nothing precludes a person from registering a residence earlier, if more convenient for them, prior to remaining at a location/address for the 3 days establishing the location as a registerable residence or the 48 hour reporting period that follows.
The language does not in any way alter the existing definitions of permanent, temporary or transient residences. The definitions for what qualify as a permanent, temporary and transient residence remain the same.
https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/234/Analyses/2021s00234.rc.PDF
FAC didn’t you say Oct 1 is the effective date? Is that still accurate?
This has not been signed into law yet but it now says “Effective Date: Upon becoming a law”.
We will have to address this through the legal process.
Some good news in the final bill, no? No “being present.” “Residing, lodging, or living” are clear enough. I don’t know what “abiding” is or how the affects homes you simply visit a lot.
One can register up to 48 hours AFTER the third day? Did I read that right?
The biggest downside, I think, is that hotel stays (non-registerable) are down from three nights to two.
FAC am I reading this accurately?
Is vehicle registration online now?
Many thanks again to our volunteer committees.
Am I reading right that if you stay at a hotel for three days and check out, you then have another 48 hours to register that address, at which time you would immediately de-register it also.
Am I reading too much into it?
CS/CS/SB 234: Registration of Sexual Predators and Sexual Offenders
3/10/2021 Senate – CS/CS by Rules read 1st time -SJ 228
https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/234/?Tab=BillHistory
Senate Committee References:
Criminal Justice (CJ)
Judiciary (JU)
Rules (RC)
Rules was the last committee for this bill. They meet again on the 11th [tomorrow], but this bill is NOT on the agenda.
https://flsenate.gov/Committees/Show/RC/ExpandedAgenda/5113
If 234 passes I will be compiling and then submitting what I anticipate will be a list hundreds of entries long. Every street corner I may walk past, every store I may walk past in a given shopping area will be added. Every traffic signal I stop at at least 4 times a year will have that entered – I am there for part of a day 4 times a year. I intend to take this to the absurd level the law requires starting with areas closest to my home and working out, adding addresses using google maps, even registering sections of turnpikes and freeways. I will continue to update as needed and turn them in when I register.
I encourage every other registrant to do the same and not just to inundate them with addresses that must be entered, but to show the lunacy of this law. More importantly, if you don’t you may be subject to arrest.
David
A great idea for us to do if this passes. EVERY single registered person needs to show up on the first day of the month even though you have all month to register in most cases. Everyone can spend hours at a time registering their list of places they were that day.
The next day another group can do the same thing. They would have to hire an entire team of registry goons to keep up. It would litterally break the internet.
David,
If I read the law correctly, you can’t just make a list and hand it to them at re registration time. All temporary residences have to be reported within 48 hours. If you wait until re registration time, you could be arrested for 100’s of felonies for waiting to register after the allowed limit.
Not seeing any more calls to action on this. Is that because we feel we have what we need to file for an injunction? I don’t mind submitting appearance cards to other committees.
We need the dates and times for the upcoming meetings. We will have to send letters to individual senators.
We’re just helping Sen Book write her next campaign speech:
“Florida’s sexual predators hate me. They have called me a terrorist, a fascist, that I deserve to lie dead in front of a blood-red wall.”
(Crowd boos).
“Well, to quote the great Franklin Delano Roosevelt: I welcome their hatred!”
(Crowd cheers).
Sen Book doesn’t want registrants to die.
She needs them alive, so she can sponsor legislation against them and their families.
While we’re going on about this, Barney Bishop is still attacking City Walk. Unfortunately, this meeting was this morning and I just noew saw this on Bishop’s FB page.
Barney Bishop III
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Tallahassee SEX OFFENDERS Homeless Shelter, located illegally at 1709 Mahan Drive, is being discussed tomorrow – Monday, March 8, 2021, at 9 am at the Walker-Ford Community Center, 2301 Pasco Street when the Development Review Committee (DRC) meets…
City Walk, the operator of this facility, is in clear violation of state statute because the SEX OFFENDER Homeless Shelter is within 1000 feet of HillTop Academy which is a Day Care Center…City Walk knows this or should know this, but they believe that they can do whatever they want with impunity…
The DRC has recommended that City Walk’s application be DECLINED, and the Mahan Neighbors Association, Florida Smart Justice Alliance, Citizens for Responsible Spending, and other affected and adversely impacted neighborhoods are hoping that the DRC votes to accept the recommendation to DECLINE the application
Ok
so mister BARNEY
Go ahead and force these folks out. THEN, when they have no place to go and get desperate, they will be camping in your back yard, pooping in your bushes, etc etc.
A large percentage of people in the U.S are just a paycheck away from being homeless. Maybe he should go live in a homeless camp for a couple of days and see for himself what it is like. I guess being homeless AND on the registry is a double kick in the groin.
If it had not been for my parents when I got released, I would be on the streets.
The Q. about mobilization is a good one.
But what’s interesting is that in this case, we actually DID mobilize.
And what we got from that mobilization was a better case for injunction.
Outside of Florida (or outside the Deep South), the sort of mobilization we mustered here, might have stopped a bill from even getting out of committee.
It would be better, of course, for us to take a more proactive role, playing offense the way California registered families have done. Consider, for example, the Sacramento-based Lobbying Days that Janice Belucci described last week. But that will require a little more time spent in Tallahassee. Either Tally-area families will have to take on an outsized role, or more families will need to be willing to take trips there, or we pay an on-site lobbyist. And we ALL have a role to play in our respective counties.
I will also point out that the mobilization that we DID muster last week, would not have happened at all without the hard work of our volunteers, particularly those on our Legislative and Membership Committees plus one individual who drove for hours in order to get to speak for two minutes.
If I didn’t think it would get us all sent to prison, I would say if every registered citizen in Florida arrived at the same time. Meet at the Florida capitol building and surround it, camp out and refuse to leave until our numerous concerns are addressed.
Other groups protest and burn down cities and get their way. We get nothing every single time but more and more restrictive laws applied retroactively. And all of us (including me) accept, put up with and live with it. BUT, it is not just us who endure these horrors. Our families, children, spouses even our friends suffer.
I get tired of reading stories of registrants committing suicide. I would rather be shot down by the National Guard than let them force me into taking my own life. We did our time and completed our sentences, and yet they will not allow us to be productive citizens. Then when we fail, they act like it is our fault.
Thanks Jacob
Your post always seem to have a mark of wisdom in them.
I know the team at FAC is not setting idly by, but are looking at every avenue to turn these laws around.
Threats to these people making these laws does nothing but solidify their thinking, we are all a basketful of deplorables.
The following is a post I placed on some other threads, I think it needs to be considered.*
Good day!
It a conversation I had with FAC that a lot of folks who post are not members, and that’s alright.
But FAC gets a lot of advice, about what FAC should do. And some of it is good some not so good. FAC wants to do more but it often comes now to what I call the PEST.
People, not enough willing.
Economy, not enough funding.
Space, like offices, goes back to E
Time, goes back to P.
If every poster were a member and gave a little bit of the above there would be no PEST!
A few carriers the load, and grows weary. But more carriers a little bit and all accomplish more.
Just thinking
Sailtime
I have a simple question to FAC and it’s members, I understand that a lot of complications arises when mobilization is considered but my question is, where is the registered citizen mobilization, as many RC in this state we still don’t make enough of a WOW impact on any of these foolish lawmakers, numbers is what make changes, there family should go and speak up, there adult kids should go and speak up. All this courage everyone has but no mobilization, with numbers we can make change, history shows us threat here in the USA and other countries numbers force people to change…it’s a thought. But only my personal thought.
The video link doesn’t work and I can’t find the video on the FL Leg website’s video section.
Perhaps they don’t want us all to see just how vile and cruel these legislators are to us?
Time Stamp ~ 10:21:00 – 10:45:00
https://flsenate.gov/media/videoplayer?EventID=1_3wpkrnbb-202103021600&Redirect=true
This isn’t the one for the Rules Committee, though.
Yeah, there’s not one on their website. The audio is here though:
https://flsenate.gov/Committees/Show/RC/Audio/5086/9105_Audio_5086.mp3
Yes…how convenient that the video stopped working soon after the facts were made public that our representative was rudely interrupted.
These people have no principles, and perhaps it is time we started to fight fire with fire! They twist the truth and tweak the rules. They disrespect us!
I’m sick to GD death of being a second class citizen!
It’s getting worse in Arizona too. Someone convicted of producing or distributing pornography of a child 12 years of age or younger would serve life without parole, as well as someone convicted of sex trafficking. So, post a picture of your baby in the bath on social media and you’re done…life in prison.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.azfamily.com/news/politics/arizona_politics/bill-imposing-strict-punishments-for-child-sex-offenders-passes-arizona-house/article_c3fde39c-7bdc-11eb-90e4-f3b9be3028df.amp.html
This is for a repeat offense.
It’s still life in prison from laws thst are getting worse and worse.
SB 234c2 continues to jet through the legislative process:
3/5/2021 Senate – Placed on Calendar, on 2nd reading
Let’s break down the “new” calculation of days:
In calculating days for “permanent residence,” the first day a person abides, lodges, or resides at a place is excluded. Each day following the first day is counted. A day includes any part of a calendar day.
The only “state” definition of “calendar day” I could find in Floriduh statutes is 112.061(5)(a) “The travel day for Class A travel shall be a calendar day (midnight to midnight)”.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0100-0199/0112/Sections/0112.061.html
So if you check into a motel/hotel on a Friday afternoon, Friday doesn’t count. Midnight Friday however, begins the “calendar” day of Saturday. So midnight Friday to midnight Saturday is the first calendar day. Midnight Saturday to midnight Sunday is the second day. Since a day includes “any part of a calendar day,” any stay past midnight puts you into the third day, which is a violation. Therefore, you must check out of the establishment no later than 11:59 P.M. Sunday. Who does that?
Current wording allows for a check out anytime on Monday since Friday and Monday are not full days, as per FDLE. In essence, we are screwed out of a day.
The calculation for temporary residence is the same, but the definition includes “personal travel destinations in or out of this state,” which is preposterous in itself.
In calculating days for “transient residence,” the first day a person lives, remains, or is located in a county is excluded. Each day following the first day is counted. A day includes any part of a calendar day.
The big difference here is that county is used instead of place. Also, the term transient includes, but is not limited to, a place where the person sleeps or seeks shelter and a location that has no specific street address.
Although “but not limited to” is vague and over broad, the average person, including me, does not read it to include shopping or errand locations since they all have specific street addresses, and you are not seeking them as a place to sleep or seek shelter.
JZ
Sooooooooooo, we do not have to worry UNTIL some uneducated cop arrests us because he sees the law differently and it is up to US to fight it. AND we all know even if you win we lose in 2 factors.
#1 you have spent your life savings (As if most of us have any savings) fighting the charges
#2 Even if you win, according to some on here, it still counts as an arrest on your chances of ever getting off the registry.
Refer that cop or sheriff to the case law as provided by FDLE in their motion to dismiss our ex post facto lawsuit:
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
Case No. 1:18-CV-24145-KMW
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Does-v.-Swearingen-Mot-to-Dismiss.pdf
“The general rule is that when the word ‘day’ is used it means calendar day which includes the entire day from midnight to midnight.”
State v. Sheets, 338 N.W. 2d 886, 887 (Iowa 1983).
See also Burgo v. Gen. Dynamics Corp., 122 F.3d 140, 143 (2d Cir. 1997)
(“A day is the period of time during which the earth makes on revolution on its axis, the average length of this interval being 24 hours.”)
(citing Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary 294 (10 th ed. 1997)); S. Tr. Ins. Co. v. First Fed. Sav. & Loan Ass’n of Summerville, 310 S.E. 2d 712, 713 (Ga. Ct. App. 1983)
(when not qualified, the word “day” means calendar day “consisting of 24 hours from midnight to midnight”).
A day is an indivisible unit; the law does not recognize fractions of a day.
Lapeyre v. United States, 84 U.S. 191, 198 (1872);
Maxwell v. Jacksonville Loan & Imp. Co., 34 So. 255, 264 (Fla. 1903).
Anonymous:
I agree. Put an ankle monitor on Ron and all of the other drunk drivers so we can avoid the roads they are travelling on.
THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW !!!
Detroit
Now, Now, let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. AFTERALL, that would be punishment……………………………….. Wouldn’t it ? ? ? ?
Hackney:
You can’t negotiate with terrorists. She’s only in office because she has yet to face any competition at the polls. Surely, someone must want her seat. It’s only a matter of finding a viable candidate to replace her even if that candidate is a Q’Anon republican. Believe me, if Trump ran against her, I would vote for Trump.
Another way to look at it is that you have X number of days until the end of your probation. If they require you to count portions of a day as a full day, you should be able to take the full number of those “extra” days off of the back end of your probation and, if they are making you claim to have spent the full day at the Circle-K because you went in for two minutes & bought a Slushie drink, they should be made to count those extra days as served per the terms of your probation, & be forced to restore your full freedom at an earlier date…
Ck
I like the way you think. Having said that, it is like the saying “Do as I say not as a I do” mentality.
They twist the laws and rules to be in their favor, as they see fit.
Another saying is “With great power comes great responsibilty”. Unfortunately, that responsibilty and power is often abused, taken advantage of and misused for personal gain.
I am disgusted but not shocked at the actions of the FloriDUH legislature.
I hate FloriDUH so much, I go out of my way NOT to willingly buy any item made in FlorDUH. Even when I did Christmas at the Camp a few years back, I brought the giveaway items from Ohio because I did not want to contribute to the local economy.
I cheer any time FloriDUH sports teams lose. I laugh at the latest “Florida Man” stories. Is this all petty? You bet it is. But I have never been more disgusted at the actions of an entire state than I am at the land of ‘Duh.
I have never seen a more disgusting group of heartless “human beings” (and I am being generous here) than the FloriDUH legislature.
While you folks were in the FloriDUH legislature, I was in the Nebraska doing something I have never done before– testifying in support of a bill that eases restrictions (even if only slightly). It is a nice change of pace from what we are normally doing. Until the Floriduh legislature starts doing the same, I will continue to be petty.
Derek
There is one thing that I think brings Democrats and Republicans together, and that is sex offenders and registration laws. We saw this when the law was passed allowing ex felons to vote. Purposely leaving out (ex) sex offenders.
Are we going to feel people up in the waiting line? Are we going to expose ourselves in the voting booths? Are they afraid there are enough of us to vote away the registry?
Lastly, what happened to those pieces of paper formerly known as the Constitution and the Bill of rights?
I would say at this point to try to work WITH her not against her. She wields too much power to sctew with obviously, so I would say “try negotiating”
The only way to negotiate with a fascist is with them face up against a red stained wall. Their day is coming.
Nobody is going to be face up against a red stained wall. Not in my fucking state.
AMEN AMEN AMEN!
It is war
There is no way to negotiate with a terrorist, Hackney.
Ever seen the movie Independence Day? Book is the captured alien. What does she wants us to do? DIE.
Or trick her into taking us to court, as OnceFallen has demonstrated successfully.
Even the example Sen Book provided— that of a permanent residence— will be changed considerably by this bill, won’t it?
Under the the current definition, as typically understood, you may check into a hotel after 3 on Friday and check out noon Monday— three nights, but not three full days— without being required to register the hotel.
But under the proposed new definition, two nights, not three, would be the limit. If you checked in Friday and stayed the weekend, then any part of the following Monday would count as a day towards “three or more days!”
Am I computing this accurately?
Something to keep in mind for hurricane evacuations, hospitalization, etc.
THANK YOU LAURA
So, we can be in multiple places for “1 day” each and yet only 1 calendar day elapses? I can be at a hotel for a “day”, at a restaurant for a “day”, at a bar for a “day” all concurrently? I can see this backfiring in that if i leave the hotel and was at a restaurant for a “day”, then i couldn’t possibly be somewhere/anywhere else in that calendar day. Unless there is time travel involved, i can’t spend two or more days in two or more places and only have one calendar elapse. Just not possible. Has any one else viewed it from this perspective?
So, we could register a restaurant for three days and not the hotel. Or, we could determine that Monday we were at Denny’s, Tuesday at IHOP, Wednesday at the Pilot gas station, and Thursday at McDonald’s. Since our days are accounted for, we’d wouldn’t need to register anything else because this new definition of a day lets us account for a whole day with any one of the places we may be that day. Seriously, this is a huge hole in Lauren Books plan.
Jim
This can be beat in court by denying we were anywhere they say. I can say, “Was I at the beach? Was I at the mall? Was I at church that day? “The prosecutor will answer no. I will say, “Well if I was not at those, places, I must have been somewhere else. AND, if I was somewhere else, I could not have been where you accused me of being!”
Legal loophole, beat them at their own game(s) they play 🙂
I am not stupid and know that would not work, but that is the crap they pull on us AND get away with. The law/courts is/are so one sided.
These MFers are crooked! They twist the truth.
We ought to use their own tactics against them – spin and lies!!
They have all the morals of a family of weasels.
They deserve that bloody wall (see above) in my opinion.
For, we who have sinned did so by mistake. Their hatred and dishonesty is deliberate!
They declared war on us. We are naive and foolish if we can’t see that it is war, and no less!
Short of moving all registrants to lifetime electronic monitoring (which I believe this “bill” is laying the groundwork for), what is FDLE’s plan for enforcing it? Some county registration offices aren’t open more than 3 days a week, let alone 5 or 7.
Registrants will now be required to register the car circle they use to drop/pickup their kids from school each day? Every house and road they use to walk their dogs each morning? The roads they travel on to go to work? Local retail stores? Airport parking garages that they use when traveling on business? There is no end to this based on the language of this bill. The collateral consequences for registrants — and their families/friends — on this one when it passes are disastrous.
I feel terrible for Senator Book — or anyone who has been sexually abused (or abused, period) — as a child or adult. I’m certain her story and mine are similar; the only difference being that I haven’t dedicated my life to ostracizing a (rapidly growing) segment of society who — for whatever reason — find themselves ensnared in the registry’s web. Instead of pushing others down, I actually try to lift them “up” because that’s what LEADERS do, not BULLIES.
Side note: What roads are used by Senator Book’s (multiple offense) DUI-father driving these days? For the sake of public safety, our children — and adults, for that matter — need to know.
Sheriffs will enforce this bill via monitoring and arrests. No differently than they have enforced other provisions previously thought unenforceable.
Excellent post by Anonymous.
If only we were ruder and nastier to lawmakers, they’d be persuaded to pass legislation more favorable to us.
Kidding, y’all.
Some lawmakers welcome nastiness from members of unpopular causes. They believe that helps their re-election campaign. Do we wish to help them?
The chairwoman as well as the rest of these people in the senate of FL are obviously very rude. You will not get anywhere with these idiots.
When is someone going to grow a pair and ask Prissy Pants Book what all these laws did for her with a nanny who had NO PRIOR CRIMINAL RECORD but yet committed the crime against her?
We are no longer living in the 1950’s. Language in these types of hearings has changed since the prim and proper era. Someone grow a pair and ask her what these laws do for anyone and if the nanny that was raising her had to follow any of them with no prior criminal record.
No amount of money or titles will make anything more than the one dimensional person she is. You simply can’t buy class or a soul.
We laid the groundwork for an injunction. That’s what we accomplished today.
Swaying elected officials’ votes was not going to happen, and that’s fine, we’ll see ‘em in court.
P.S. thank you FAC Legislative and Membership Committees and all volunteers. Never give up.
Agreed 1000% and that’s what will happen.
Please put the “fund meter” up so I can donate to support the legal challenge. Thank you.
How did we lay the groundwork for an injunction?
Why do we bother with letters, calls, emails, appearance cards, and even testimony if they accomplish no changes in the bills we are fighting?
I would really like to know.
Seeing them in court will take years and thousands of dollars.
I don’t like being the pessimist, but I’m trying to keep it real.
We show there was opposition.
Notice
Won’t take years. Our internet challenge didn’t. We can request an emergency injunction before the law even takes effect.
Correct
Even with the [reluctant] reading of over 70 appearance cards against the bill, and a FAC speaker [who was rudely cut off] explaining the pitfalls of “any part of a day” being called a day, no committee members were swayed.
I have to question how Book can state that this has been the definition of a day for “over two decades” without citing a reference. We have references which state Floriduh’s legal definition of a day. Why weren’t they spoken of?
This was the last committee before this bill is voted on by all senators. I can’t help but feel we may have missed an opportunity to influence the outcome of this bill.
Yes it is disappointing, but we must not back down, even though our turn at bat has a biased umpire calling the swings, swing we must. Even in the face of a defeat we must keep believing!
I wrote a post this morning on another thread. I would like to share it on this one.
It seems, by a conversation I had with FAC that a lot of folks who post are not members, and that’s alright.
But they get a lot of advice, about what FAC should do. And some of it is good some not so good. FAC wants to do more but it often comes down to what I call the PEST.
People, not enough willing.
Economy, not enough funding.
Space, like offices, goes back to E
Time, goes back to P.
If every poster were a member and gave a little bit of the above there would be no PEST!
A few carriers the load, and grows weary. But more carriers a little bit and all accomplish more.
Just thinking
Sailtime
I agree!
With all fairness , I would like to point out that the FAC speaker screwed up a tad when she told the chairwoman to “let me finish”. I feel she was being a little too aggressive trying to make the point, and I was smh…with that being said. The whole opposition process is deliberately intimidating with the way the room is set up and the aura of the room. Not to mention the state Capitol is in the uppermost part of this state. The attitude of TALLAHASSEE is not representative of the entire state, but rather a small. Extremely conservative area. If only the Capitol was located in the central part of the state we would have a fighting chance.
I called all the senators except the last three.. I am waiting for my courage to build back up!! Lol.. Anyways, I did notice on the answering machines before I left a message they all typically said their name with a period inbetween and then a .web before the @flsenate.gov please look into this.. I would hate all the emails to be not delivered based off of a technicality.. Ex. [email protected]
Duane is correct. Here’s the Senate Directory:
https://flsenate.gov/PublishedContent/ADMINISTRATIVEPUBLICATIONS/sdir.pdf
Both work, but I’ll update.
What is so bad about this bill? I don’t see any of the usual restrictions being piled on?
The definition of the word Day to part of a day. Read the full article.
That’s the way I’ve always thought it to be.
You’ve always thought a registrant who visits the same store four times a year must register that store? No you haven’t.
Just leave Florida, quit thinking your going to have a life there!
Brian
Many people (Including myself) learned the hard way that leaving Florida doesn’t change anything. Many states make you go by the rules of where you came from or add WORSE restrictions on you.
I moved back within days of finding that out. I had sold my house to move away and when I came back, had to move in with my elderly parents.
Moving away does not automatically make you eligable for the rule/laws of someone whose crime was committed in that state. I am not the only one in here who that has happened to.
AND, in spite of all that, My parents are elderly and no matter how bad it gets here, they were here for me, so I am going to be here for them. Leaving now would be selfish for me.
Brian, a lit of us can’t leave Florida because of our responsibilities here. Believe me, I’d leave in a heartbeat but I’m the caretaker of my elderly parents. There is nobody else who can look after them. So please be more considerate knowing that many of us have to keep fighting here in Florida because we can’t leave.
Whatever state you decide to move to, the local Sheriff’s office will send out those damn “Alerts” to the local community via those apps, email, Twitter, etc. That is when the moment arrives that you wish you’d stay put.
Doesn’t matter where you move to on American soil. It’s the same toilet water, just a different toilet.
It’s like a reverse welcome wagon! Don’t expect handshakes, smiles and gift baskets! More like torches, pitchforks and mean glares.
Got it done. Just basically edited Gail’s letter and entered my own name as a member of FAC then copied and pasted it into an email to each senator in turn. Including Book though we know it won’t matter to her.
Good luck guys.
Well if this passes and a “day” is redefined for us, I would like to see all the hotels here in central florduhh enforce a day in 1 hour increments and start charging 24 “days” in a regular 24hr period. Imagine the hotel bill for the tourists who stay a week 🤣
I think you are misinterpreting the bill. It’s not to change the commonly accepted definition of Day, but only for purposes of 943.0345 (the registration statute).
General question here. Has anyone asked Senator Book. If she cares what happens to a registrants child?
If so. What was her answer?
She probably forgot to ask Ron what her opinion is regarding the children of registrants.
Well said!
FAC
Thank you for mentioning being polite. I say that all the time to those who are nasty to the officers who come by to verify their addresses. Being nasty to someone doesn’t get us anywhere in life, on or off the registry.
Peace
“Being nasty to someone doesn’t get us anywhere in life, on or off the registry.”
Nonsense. It’s the LE, community and lawmakers that need to let go of their anger and hate.
We reserve the right to be frustrated, confused and angry..
No, it’s not: “it is what it is.”
Acquiescence by “playing their game” is capitulation.
I agree.
The American colonists in 1776 didn’t get anywhere by being nice.
They had to get nasty….real real mean and nasty.
One must fight Tyranny!
Done.
Im on probation in Polk County, Fl for domestic battery, i have 5 weeks left and I am finished. I will do as you ask, but please have my back if they come after me. Of course, 20 years ago, half my life ago, I’m obviously 40, I, too, committed a sex crime, exposure, and I feel the pain of the label sometimes literally, and I struggle under the weight of the label myself especially employment. But, please remember fellow registrants, we all knew it was going to get worse, before it was going to get better. So even if this goes through, someone, somewhere in a position of power will see the aftermath and agree this is ridiculous. I have been through more abuse then I can talk about, and yet, I still stay positive and hopeful. Please do as FAC asks of us, and with their guidance and others like them, we will overcome.
We can do this.
FWIW, I sent an email, basically the same letters I sent the Judiciary.
If they’re going to treat me like a Floridian I may as well testify like one.
Appreciate it and everyone reading this should submit something to oppose.
I sent an email to the Senate Rules Committee and, in addition to opposing the bill, asked them to introduce a Committee Substitute that either strikes the wording redefining a “day” as “any part of a day” or defines it so that it does not require transient sexual offenders to essentially register every location they visit throughout their entire lives.
I think a Committee Substitute is a more realistic goal than asking them to vote the whole thing down in Committee. I pointed out that by turning this bill (the way it’s currently written) into a law, they are only further jeopardizing the Florida sex offender registration system in pending litigation. They probably care more about that than anything else. A Committee Substitute that strikes the bad definition of a day allows them to resolve the matter without offending Book or looking soft on crime/RSOs.
This is a wise alternative.
Great letter, FAC. If this passes, does it fall under the Ex-Pist Facto Plus case(s) currently being litigated?
Yes, it would
I sent the following to all senators via Passodomo and then BCC to the rest:
Please oppose Senate Bill 234.
This bill will redefine the meaning of “day” to include “part of any calendar day”.
This means that most registered citizens will automatically technically violate many times per year.
This is like walking through a tripwired maze or a minefield. The statute is strict liability, and the penalty for even the tiniest mistake is a third degree felony!
I, and others like me, made mistakes. We paid for our mistakes, and now we simply want to be left alone to go on with our lives.
Thank you.
Awsome, JJJJ. I contacted them too.
Very good JJ