On April 24, FAC wrote to the FDLE requesting clarification on INTERSTATE travel registration requirements.
Some registrants were being advised by their Sheriff’s offices (or under the mistaken belief) that you are required to report whenever you travel to another state. This is not true. You are only required to report INTERSTATE travel (or intra, for that matter) when you will be establishing a residence (temporary, permanent or transient).
This does not apply to INTERNATIONAL travel, which requires notice no matter whether you go for 1 or 100 days.
please see their reply below:
From: Sexual Predator Unit <[email protected]>
Date: May 3, 2018 at 2:15:04 PM EDT
To: ‘XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: RE: Letter to FDLE RE: Domestic Travel
Good afternoon,
Per Florida Statutes 943.0435(7) and 775.21(6)(i), a sexual offender or predator who intends to establish a permanent, temporary, or transient residence in another state or jurisdiction other than the State of Florida shall report in person to the sheriff of the county of current residence within 48 hours before the date he or she intends to leave this state to establish residence in another state or jurisdiction or at least 21 days before the date he or she intends to travel if the intended residence of 5 days or more is outside of the United States. Any travel that is not known by the sexual offender 21 days before the departure date must be reported in person to the sheriff’s office as soon as possible before departure. The sexual offender or predator shall provide to the sheriff the address, municipality, county, state, and country of intended residence. For international travel, the sexual offender or predator shall also provide travel information, including, but not limited to, expected departure and return dates, flight number, airport of departure, cruise port of departure, or any other means of intended travel.
There is no language in s. 943.0435, F.S. or s. 775.21, F.S. requiring an offender or predator who has registered as required to report domestic travel to another state if they will not establish a residency outside of Florida. The definitions of permanent, temporary, and transient residency can be located in s. 775.21(2)(k), (n), & (o), F.S. As you noted in your letter, these definitions will change from 5 days to 3 days effective July 1, 2018.
Sincerely,
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FAC,
I am an over the road trucker. During the course of a year, I am rarely parked in one location for more than 34 hours. Typically, I only stop for 10 hours before I start driving again.
I rarely know my next destination more than 3 days ahead of time, when my company informs me my next assignment.
Currently, the county I live in in Florida seems to reasonably tell me to report when I leave home to go “over the road” and approximately when I will return. I can contact then later when I have more specific information about when I am returning home.
I just moved out if another county that insisted I would have to email them every assignment I receive from my company while on the road.
I moved because of the requirement before starting the job.
I have registration requirements due to being an offender. I am not on probation, thus I am not “under supervision”. How is it that the State of Florida can impose restrictions on me when I am outside their jurisdiction and authority in another state?
It seems that the ACLU should have no trouble fighting this statute and Brevard County’s ordinance that makes it illegal to go to any address that is 1000 ft from a school, daycare or park, even if you are just getting gas, but they don’t.
How is it that the State of Florida can impose restrictions on me when I am outside their jurisdiction and authority in another state?
YOU ONLY HAVE TO REPORT THAT YOU ARE LEAVING.
FAC,
I left on vacation to visit family in Puerto Rico last Saturday. Before leaving the state on Friday I stopped by my local SO to notify them of my intention to travel. I knew I was inside the 48 hours required to give notification, but the officer taking my notification was adamant that I should have been there the day before. The reason is that the SO of the county I live only opens on Tues. and Thurs. for “re-registration” cases, which he felt this was one was. Before leaving the office he also let me know that I had to report IN PERSON to the office as soon as I returned from my trip. I was unaware that this is a requirement as well. ?? This is all getting out of hand. Just today as I was leaving the SO, I approached an individual who was also leaving the office after his registration. After introducing myself, I asked him if he was familiar with FAC to which he responded “NO”. I gave him some information about what we are trying to do here, and referred him to the FAC website. This got me thinking, is there a PDF flyer that I could download? I am intended to find the local “Sex Offender” therapy group and pass along a few of these pamphlets. We need to start communicating with other registered citizen, so they are aware that they are not alone in the fight!
Thanks for the referral ABC. I know we have some stuff on our site, but if you contact our membership chair, Anita ([email protected]), she can send you some materials to distribute.
As far as what the SPOT units tell you… they are often wrong.
Mike, all you had to do was mention Brevard County and I knew you were dealing with a bunch of loons. I can no longer go to a restaurant that I have gone to for 15 years because the motel attached to it just put in a swing set. I hope the FAC ex post facto suit will start to straighten this unsat situation out. At every opportunity I let the county commissioners become ‘acquainted’ with the foolishness of their ordinance. Unless you cause a problem I doubt the sheriff’s office will bother you. They have real problems to deal with, not this made-up bureaucratic BS.
I cringe everytime I go to either orlando or tampa and have to stop in Melbourne for gas. I actually believe that I suffer from PTSD because of my entire incident. So it is enhanced when I stop for gas and see an officer just getting coffee. I am such a wreck over this entire ordeal. I have even been threatened and they tried to extort funds from me out of Brevard County posing as a detective in that county. I had to change my phone number. I am currently in school and of course I am in the public safety building and I start panicking whenever I have to walk into the building as that is where they train future police officers. Not to mention that my life has been threatened by classmates that did a background check on me or a google search. I live in HELL.
Mike, in your list of restricted areas you left out ‘swing sets’ even if they are in a home owner’s back yard. Also, you must include tennis courts…even if only adults play on them or no one at all plays on them as on US 1 in Port St. John.
I went to New England this past August to look for a future residence for myself after graduation. Thing that I would be gone for more than 3 days I went to my local Jail where we register and gave then the name of the hotel in Connecticut where I would be spending the night. They didn’t bat an eyelash and wished me a safe trip. It was simple and they were respectful. So obviously it matters what county you are in and their mental mentality or preconception of what a registered citizen is in their minds. I do a great deal of travel and thankfully have not had an issue. On the flip side I take every opportunity to educate law enforcement and those in the community and I am rather well received by at least 95% of the people I speak with. Currently I have had to make a report because an ex client stole my email address and identity and the sheriffs department was extremely sympathetic and said that since I reported this that I am safe they made it known through out the Sex offense department. They have never bothered me even though this person does go on sites that I would never even think of. He also tried to register at our local college under my email and applied for government funding for school. BIG mistake. He is in prison and there is still one other person at large. It is solely my opinion that it is how you present yourself to law enforcement that they respond to. I always let them come up with an idea to solve a problem even though I already had the same solution before I even approached them.
Well, My Neighbor just went today to Marion County Sheriff to update a vehicle info that he sold over the weekend, I had already made him a copy of the response from FDLE that FAC posted on here, So I told him to inquire about it, Well just like Marion county told me, If we leave the state for ANY reason and don’t come BEFORE we leave to “Notify” The Sheriff’s Office, We WILL BE ARRESTED !!!!!, They didn’t even care about”The Response” from FDLE !!! My neighbor tried to show it to them, They (Deputies in charge of the Sex Offender Unit) REFUSED to even look at it !!!. I’ve been told this EVERYTIME I go up to the Sheriff’s Office to Update something !!!. I was also told that “Even if the Supreme Courts find Florida in Violation of a Sex Offender Registery Condition”, That Marion County will NOT change their enforcement until ABSOLUTELY FORCED TO DO SO !!!. It’s like they assign Deputies to the Sex Offender Unit that HATE EX OFFENDERS !! They treat you like trash !! Always Sharp and short with you !! And if one laws changes, They MAKE YOU listen to EVERY CONDITION on the sheet ! Even though you already did it (whenever) before !!. Their MEAN and NASTY and don’t deserve to wear their uniforms !!!. But we can’t do anything except “Eat their Crap” or face being ARRESTED for something Stupid !!. FLORIDA is NASTY and I don’t see it EVER getting better !!!.
If your neighbor wants us to write a letter to Marion County on his behalf, we will. Have him contact us at [email protected]
What’s with the random capitalization?
You must remember that Florida doesn’t let silly laws and the Constitution get in their way of pursuing their agenda. We can give a ‘big thank you’ to Gov. Scott and AG Bondi for that. I have never supported a democrat in my life but I truly hope Nelson puts Scott out of politics. Scott is out for one person…himself.
Now if we could only get rid of “lobbyists” and Senators who use fear, intimidation and hype of lies, unsubstantiated facts; under the guise of “helping the community”, when in fact they are tearing the community apart.
If you dont know already, I am talking about Ron & Lauren Book)
sadly this has happened to me but after hiring a private investigator to follow the detectives 7 page report his 15 page report came back that she lied on every page. I met with the upper officials and came to a gentleman’s agreement. You leave me alone and this report will be kept between us. I had already won a lawsuit against D.O.C., Arimarck, and Corizon healthcare so I made my point clear that I am not afraid and this abuse will stop. Internal Affairs can work wonders without you being a victim of retaliation. The detective was demoted to a bailiff in misdemeanor court and has been told she and her partner are not to come near me. The police have not been at my home in well at least a year now. Again be professional, do not go on the defense and approach the situation where you are not condemning but making them aware that you will not tolerate abuse IN A NICE AND PROFESSIONAL WAY. Remember each and everyone of the registered citizens in this state actually represent us all. What one does has a trickle down effect to all of us. We must show them that we are human beings with hope for a better tomorrow about willing to work with them and not against them. You will eventually see the difference. I can’t promise all will have a change in their mindset but most will. They are just as tired of all this as we are. Take the time to actually have a friendly conversation with them. EDUCATE, EDUCATE is the key.
Went and Re-Regestered yesterday at Broward Country Sheriff dept. I showed them the paper from FAC/FDLE about traveling, she pointed to #13 about traveling where it says I have to advise them in 48 hours before leaving the state of Florida, unless I have a letter from FDLE, that’s says different….
Witch I don’t,
I asked about the 5 to 3 day reporting, she said the 3 day is only for transient people who have a different address every week,people who have a Permanent address, this does not apply,it stays 5 days…
She is wrong. Did you get that statement from her in writing?
you DO have a response from the FDLE! The FDLE responded to FAC!
You should send information on this incident to FDLE, along with the officer’s name.
I’ve learned Arguing with a Sheriff office employee, is not a Healthy Thing,there right and your Wrong, (nothing new) just like Probation, even with the e-mail, she said unless I have a letter from FDLE, on the subject, I have to report,before I leave …
Seems funny that no one brought it up to there Attention, long before me, no one there is going to sign on anything that may hold them liable in court, I explained it and showed it, they said anyone can send an e-mail…..
I guess she wants a physical letter , with FDLE letter head, I guess that makes it official ….
I learned a long time ago that you cannot discuss anything with probation. They do not like to have their ‘lordships’ challenged.
Again the biggest problem from county to county is that they are confused. I really feel that a state wide symposium would be great to finally get everyone on the same page. It isn’t that they are being negative it’s what they are being told is true and to enforce. We need to get all 66 counties thinking according to the actual laws of Florida. P.S. I have one final semester and then I can be 100% involved again. I am getting a BS in Human Services with a specialty in all addictions. I am doing this 4 year degree in one year. So I have been very busy taking a ridiculous course load each semester but after spring I have sexual abuse and my internship left and I have completed my goal. I started summer of 2018 and will graduate in Summer of 2019 with honors.
WOW! What an accomplishment! Such activity will show society that RSO’s do have value and can be positive contributors to society. Congratulations!
Did you read the email from FDLE? This is a quote:
There is no language in s. 943.0435, F.S. or s. 775.21, F.S. requiring an offender or predator who has registered as required to report domestic travel to another state if they will not establish a residency outside of Florida. The definitions of permanent, temporary, and transient residency can be located in s. 775.21(2)(k), (n), & (o), F.S. As you noted in your letter, these definitions will change from 5 days to 3 days effective July 1, 2018.
If they are telling you something otherwise, get it in writing. Or, if you don’t mind being named, we will write a letter on your behalf if you contact [email protected]
So i can literally go to all 50 states and no notification if i stay at different address no more than 2 days each even if its four hotels in each state less than three days each
Correct – the statute requires you notify of any temporary, permanent or transient residence. If you don’t establish such a residence you don’t have to register it.
There is no obligation to report to FDLE when you leave the state. Only 21 days before you leave the country.
That’s with regard to registering in FLORIDA. If you literally go to all 50 states, they may have their own laws which you will need to comply with when you get there.
Here is the $64,000 question. If you relocate to one of the few states where you would not even have to register and then get removed (Vermont comes to mind) what are you required to tell FDLE when you leave? I ask because I remember one incident where a Florida registrant moved to the UK and bought some minor league sports team. Subsequently “the people” found out though the Florida registry because he had listed the UK dress at some point and hounded him out of town.
you tell them that you are moving out of state to Vermont.
R.S.G. Ask her exactly what law statue number this is cited under.
She stated state law #13 on my re-registration copy for this month , thought it says you have to give 48 hours notice if you plan to stay there temporary or permanent address , I told her I’m not doing to do either.
She said if I flew from Fort Lauderdale to Atlanta for lunch and returned the same day,I’d still need to give them a 48 hour notice…..
I believe we have already written to FDLE and the County on your behalf, no?
Yes u have,and Thank You….
I’ll know if they got the message, in September, unless I receive something from them about it sooner….
I wonder how they follow up and find out you are leaving if Yu are not even on probation?
License plate readers etc….
If I were to travel to another sate for four days and something happened to cause a delay of the return flight – mechanical issue, connecting flight issue, etc – and I am delayed a day in getting home (putting into the five day time period), would I be in danger of a felony charge? Or does common sense prevail. Not wanting to establish a temporary or transient address.
the law, as it is written, is strict liability. You would be in danger of a felony charge.
Thank you. Makes it scary to try and travel anywhere by air then. The hope was to visit home one last time before the law changes July 1st. I have avoided visiting and needing to register there due to not wanting to potentially hurt my family as my parents run a bed & breakfast inn there. I don’t want my mistake to cost them any more than it has. This is my last opportunity to visit home probably in my lifetime. So now I have to weight the risks from things outside my control. If anyone has any advice or suggestions please let me know.
it’s expensive, but if you want to avoid putting a family member’s residence on the sex offender registry, stay at a nearby hotel. Visit with family all day, and at night you sleep in the hotel.
It is not their address, it is our name. If I have to register in my hometown the last name will be recognized and I would fear for my parents’ business and fear they would be ostracized for something I’ve done. My father taught at the local high school for thirty years and my mother has been active in the community for just as long and just retired. Unfortunately, it is not as simple as staying in a hotel instead of at their house. So trying to avoid registering there which is the easy part as I can be there six days out of every 180 and not have to register. It is the Florida part and the worry that if there is any sort of problem with the return flight then I could end up in prison. I don’t know how to solve th issue of what happens if the return flight is delayed. That is the last hurdle.
Hello Andrew
I feel your frustration. From what I understand that until July you can travel out of state and visit as many places as you wish as long as you do not stay at that address more than 4 days. And you do not have to not out from Florida. So if your flight is delayed you can then stay at another address for 4 more days. You just have to make sure you comply with the jurisdiction you will be visiting.
This is not legal advise, but from what I am reading that’s what I come up with.
Check it out more so you will feel comfortable.
Thank you for the knowledge about the Florida rules, being able to switch addresses is critical. Now I just need to check the rules where the layovers are in case I get delayed there.
So if this is true about being able to go to a different address, will that still apply when it is down to 3 days on July 1st – meaning one could spend 2 days at one address and then 2 at another and so on as long as you are complying with the requirements of the other state? That would not be quite as horrible.
yes
Hello Andrew
I hope you’re having a good start to another day.
Yes, that is the response that the FDLE made in response to the letter that was sent to them.
But remember this is not legal advice that I’m saying to you. You need to make sure that it is clear in your heart and in your mind so you can be at rest when you do travel.
My wife and I travel a lot I’m 75 and seek to enjoy my retirement it’s best I can under the circumstances. I’m doing this for 20 years now.
I seek everyday to never let a root of bitterness spring up in my heart that would do nothing for me or for anybody else.
My advice to anyone who is living under these laws that keep being piled up on us is keep your nose clean seek to fly below the radar follow the law. That is don’t draw undue attention to yourself.
Find a base of support to encourage you. Do the best you can not to isolate yourself I don’t know where you are on your journey but I just felt like I needed to share this with you today.
Pray for FAC as they seek to help us understand what’s going on and the lawsuits that are being filed and have been filed.
Hope you get to go see your family.
Ive been told to call if its a problem. Im not on any paper anywhere so not sure if that matters. Also have been told and the officer has signed a business card to it that i do t need to change if its 3 days: the reason being that on the third day if im on my way back i havent spent the third day there. Its happened over a dozen times even with the 5 day but i cover my rear and go anyway : different story each time but consistant always on the call of theres an issue
Vermont has now also done away with a lot of the registered citizen laws. No living requirements, very liberal state and upon evaluation of your case most don’t have to register except for when you arrive there and establish residency so they can notify Florida that you are now living in Vermont. I suggest anyone that wishes to leave Florida to a state with less restrictions obtain a risk assessment to bring with them.
The requirement to register your new address within that state is a federal law actually. SORNA.
And under that act (I believe) that is the only time you have to contact law enforcement.
If you are 10 years or more out from your end of sanctions and you qualify (simple offender v. predator type thing as best as I can tell) you do not have to register in Vermont even if you are moving there. If you want to go there, i would advise calling the one woman who apparently handles such things for the entire state of Vermont. 😉
May 14, 2018
Hello FAC; First thanks for the great work on behalf of registered citizens. I am thankful to me a member and it’s money well given to support you.
the enquiry you sent to FDLE and the response is of great interest to my wife and I as we do travel a lot. There is one point of concern and I am sure you can clear it up for us and others. In you opening comments you stated the following.
“This does not apply to INTERNATIONAL travel, which requires notice no matter whether you go for 1 or 100 days.”
I personally read the statutes also. In reading the response back from FDLE they quoted the Florida Statutes 943.0435(7) and 775.21(6)(i), I have copied a section from the statute concerning international travel..
“a sexual offender or predator who intends to establish a permanent, temporary, or transient residence in another state or jurisdiction other than the State of Florida shall report in person to the sheriff of the county of current residence within 48 hours before the date he or she intends to leave this state to establish residence in another state or jurisdiction or at least 21 days before the date he or she intends to travel if the intended residence of 5 days or more is outside of the United States.” (Bold type mine).
Would you please inform us is it 1 day or is it (5) Five?
Sincerely Sail-away
For INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL you are ALSO subject to the INTERNATIONAL MEGAN’S LAW (IML) which requires notice whenever you travel internationally. Even if it’s 1 day.
I would like to travel to Indiana so I looked up the sex offender statutes. I need help interpreting what I found. On one hand, it appears I would need to register if I am there for 72 hours at a temporary residence:
IC 11-8-8-12
Temporary residence
Sec. 12. (a) As used in this section, “temporary residence” means
a residence:
(1) that is established to provide transitional housing for a person without another residence; and
(2) in which a person is not typically permitted to reside for more than thirty (30) days in a sixty (60) day period.
(b) This section applies only to a sex offender who resides in a temporary residence. In addition to the other requirements of this chapter, a sex offender who resides in a temporary residence shall register in person with the local law enforcement authority in which the temporary residence is located:
(1) not more than seventy-two (72) hours after the sex offender moves into the temporary residence; and
(2) during the period in which the sex offender resides in a temporary residence, at least once every seven (7) days following the sex offender’s initial registration under subdivision (1).
(c) A sex offender’s obligation to register in person once every seven (7) days terminates when the sex offender no longer resides in the temporary residence. However, all other requirements imposed on a sex offender by this chapter continue in force, including the requirement that a sex offender register the sex offender’s new address with the local law enforcement authority.
As added by P.L.140-2006, SEC.13 and P.L.173-2006, SEC.13.
Then further down I find a statute that may be saying I don’t have to register in Indiana:
IC 11-8-8-19
Expiration of duty to register; lifetime registration
Sec. 19. (a) Except as provided in subsections (b) through (e), a
sex offender is required to register under this chapter until the expiration of ten (10) years after the date the sex offender:
(1) is released from a penal facility (as defined in IC 35-41-1-21) or a secure juvenile detention facility of a state or another jurisdiction;
(2) is placed in a community transition program;
(3) is placed in a community corrections program;
(4) is placed on parole; or
(5) is placed on probation;
whichever occurs last. The department shall ensure that an offender who is no longer required to register as a sex offender is notified that the obligation to register has expired.
(b) A sex offender who is a sexually violent predator is required to register for life.
(c) A sex offender who is convicted of at least one (1) sex offense that the sex offender committed:
(1) when the person was at least eighteen (18) years of age; and
(2) against a victim who was less than twelve (12) years of age at the time of the crime;
is required to register for life.
(d) A sex offender who is convicted of at least one (1) sex offense in which the sex offender:
(1) proximately caused serious bodily injury or death to the victim;
(2) used force or the threat of force against the victim or a member of the victim’s family; or
(3) rendered the victim unconscious or otherwise incapable of giving voluntary consent;
is required to register for life.
(e) A sex offender who is convicted of at least two (2) unrelated sex offenses is required to register for life.
As added by P.L.140-2006, SEC.13 and P.L.173-2006, SEC.13.
I received probation and my offense was adjudication withheld so no felony conviction and the sections b-e do not apply to me. My probation began in January 2006 so that is more than ten years ago and I completed probation in September 2014.
I am asking for help to interpret these statues correctly. I do not wish to contact the authorities in Indiana as I am trying not to damage my family any further and if I have to register in my hometown there they live and have a business my fear is they would suffer from me registering in Indiana.
So my question is do I need to register within 72 hours or not?
My apologies for the long post
And there is this statute which seems to be saying that I don’t have to register if I am there less than 7 days”
IC 11-8-8-7
Persons required to register; registration locations; time limits; photographs
Sec. 7. (a) Subject to section 19 of this chapter, the following persons must register under this chapter:
(1) A sex offender who resides in Indiana. A sex offender resides in Indiana if either of the following applies:
(A) The sex offender spends or intends to spend at least seven (7) days (including part of a day) in Indiana during a one hundred eighty (180) day period.
(B) The sex offender owns real property in Indiana and returns to Indiana at any time.
(2) A sex offender who works or carries on a vocation or intends to work or carry on a vocation full-time or part-time for a period:
(A) exceeding fourteen (14) consecutive days; or
(B) for a total period exceeding thirty (30) days;
during any calendar year in Indiana, whether the sex offender is financially compensated, volunteered, or is acting for the purpose of government or educational benefit.
This seems to be saying I don’t have to register as I would be in Indiana for less than 5 days to satisfy not having to alert authorities in Florida.
I am confused. Can anyone help?
Best thing to do is call the sheriff’s office for whatever county you’re going to. I did it for Montana just 6 or so months ago. That is the most accurate information you can get straight from the horses mouth. Just be sure to ask every question exactly how you want it to be answered, don’t beat around any bushes. That way there is zero confusion. I’m also considering a move there so let me know what you find! 🙂
Get it in writing!
The only problem with getting anything in writing is law enforcement’s desire not to be held accountable for anything on paper. Just ask my lawyer about Brevard County probation.
After reading all the comments on interstate travel it’s no wonder everyone is so confused, including law enforcement officials. Only politicians looking out for themselves could screw things up so badly.
please do tell me the changes that went into effect on May 8th in New Hampshire. I am planning to move within two years to Massachusetts but am still interested in the changes in New Hampshire. Thanks Frank
Frank – Please refer your questions about New Hampshire to the affiliate group in that state (or that region).
Citizens for Criminal Justice Reform – New Hampshire
https://www.ccjrnh.org/
The new laws of New Hampshire did not apply to me I am not incarcerated or on probation. You must read these laws carefully for true application.
I am also planning to move to Massachusettes the state is very liberal not as liberal as Vermont or New Hampshire but still liberal. Upon arrival you go to the sheriffs dept. and register at that point they will notify Florida of your arrival. Nothing else will be done until you fill out a SOARR application and they review your case. Depending on your case they will let you know if you have to register and for how long. The most is ten years from your arrest and conviction. I have already sent my form in along with my risk assessment. They said I would not have to register except the first time to inform Florida that I now reside in a different state. Also the registry is not open to the public unless you are of a high risk or deemed as a predator. Also whatever state you intend to live in just look up laws for sex offender registration in that state. They state everything as plain as day.
I would be interested to read the NH laws as from previous searching, I would not call that state “liberal” when it comes to RSO. Definitely not compared to Vermont or even Mass with is 20 year to 10 year reception provision. The difference with Vermont is unlike Mass, you don’t have to move there to get an answer/classification up front and removal is automatic if you qualify. No need to go to court. On paper, Mass really appears to be no different than Georgia.
Can someone reccomend an expert in Ga, who specializes in removal or can provide details of buying a residence in the state?
Either way youre onflorida for life no matter where you move
This RSO situation makes “Hogan’s goat” look pretty organized.
The last time I had to re-register in Marion County, the detective / officer processing me pointed out to me, and it’s printed on the form that we thumb print and sign, that I must report in person if crossing the state line (paraphrasing, dont have it in front of me). So if a county is adding in their own rules, how do you fight that?
Get a copy of that. No other county says that and the form is supposed to be standard across Florida.
I believe you might be mistaken or Marion County is doing something shady.
some counties add in local ordinances that were voted on by the county commissioners. For example if you live within the city limits of Fort Pierce it is only 1000 feet from a park or daycare. No school bus law exists within city limits. I have a school bus stop on my block. Even though I live in St Lucie county the local city board of commissioners voted to exempt certain regulations. Now in the same county if you live out of city limits , in Port St. Lucie and unincorporated St. Lucie county the laws are different. It’s 2500 feet from parks, daycare,schools and school bus stops. That was voted and adapted by the County Commissioners. Which do not affect me cause I live within city limits of Fort Pierce.
Additionally, 943.0435 (14)(c) states “Reregistration must include any changes to the following information: 1. … address, location or description, and dates of any current or known FUTURE temporary residence within the state or OUT OF STATE;”
Reference:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=View%20Statutes&Submenu=1&Tab=statutes&CFID=257483695&CFTOKEN=ee39c670f013f934-C5E3A7F3-AAF7-6192-30E429AEA90F416B
What are you saying?
Temporary Residence is a defined term that is defined as 5 or more days (soon to be 3 or more days).
Looks like my first reply to this was not published, that’s why my second makes little sense.
Future residence? How far into the future?
So just so I understand this, I can get on a plane, fly to Tennessee on Friday evening and return Sunday afternoon and not have to report to anyone……
Is this correct ??
You don’t have to report to FLORIDA. We have no idea what your reporting requirements are in Tennessee.
FDLE has told me that they count days as, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, etc…Not as 24 hour increments, I tred that one.
Under this day count, you would have to report to FL if you were at same Tennessee address all 3 days.
We shouldn’t be left in ambiguity, with felony arrests being a potential outcome! Shouldn’t need a legal team to interpret this shit either!!
I have been told this for the last 12 years, at broward county sheriff, each time I asked about going to tenn. for 3 days to see family. The said I need to give 7 day notice,flight information, where I’m going to stay,I had to be back in 48 hours in broward county or be subject to arrest .
I will be taking this info to them next month when I go to Re-Registrtion,and ask again the same thing and see what they say…..
I’ve missed a lot of family get togethers over this…..very Disturbing
If you have it in writing, you may be able to do something about it.
Next time ask them in writing.
I sure will , I report next month,and I’m sure this letter will make it there before I do….
Each of these law enforcement organizations sort of make up their own rules as they go along. Ask two people in the same office and you will get two different answers. This is just how complicated and convoluted our esteemed lawmakers have made life. Simple for them; difficult for everybody else.
During MY instance, neither BSO, or FDLE could give me an answer on where, how, or IF i had to “register” because my stay was for only one night, in one location, in one State. (NEVER stayed at the same place twice, paid cash).
QUESTION FOR FAC…..
I own my own home and was grandfathered-in to the “pre restriction” era (parks, schools, ect.). I also know that if I “move residency” from Broward County, I will not be able to come back.
MY Question…
If a hurricane comes thru (I cant go to a shelter) and my house is deemed unlivable, (till its fixed) can I put a tent up and live in my backyard?
Its still my residing address.
Or would they force me out of my property? (the cops say that there is no where in Broward that I could live) I must move out of the state.
Not true that you can’t come back. It depends on A LOT of circumstances. For example; if you live in Broward (where FT Lauderdale is) and your case is pre 2004, you can move anyplace in Ft. Lauderdale.
There are a lot of factors that contribute to the restrictions.
If you own the property, keep it registered as your address. Don’t change it. If you get a new temporary address keep the permanent address. You register the address, not the structure. People are registered at intersections.
@ FAC,
1994 was mine, so Im covered. Gee, I find it strange that Law enforcement could, or would “mis-quote” the law..!??
(dripping with sarcasm)
I have an agreement with Home Depot (manager & I) that if a catastrophe struck, I would be able to get a 12X20 shed (windows, doors) delivered. Run an extension cord from the generator to the shed, plug in AC, TV & fridge and Im good to go.
All of us (RSO’s) need to start thinking NOW about what we are going to do IF a hurricane struck Sth. Fla; or Fla in general. We cant go to a shelter, so either we hunker down or we travel—– And HOW are you going to be able to tell the cops WHAT motel you are going to if they are all booked up before you get there?? (3 states away)
Maybe we could go to Ron Books house and stay??
(1) if your case was 1994 you can live anywhere in Ft Lauderdale. See Ft. Lauderdale v. Anderson (or our recent news).
(2) if a hurricane hits in Broward we can now go to a shelter (thanks to FAC’s efforts to change that this past hurricane season)
(3) did you submit a case consideration and has someone from Weitzner & Jonas been in contact with you?
FAC,
You wrote to me;
“did you submit a case consideration and has someone from Weitzner & Jonas been in contact with you?”
I did, about a week, week and a half ago. What for? NO ONE has been in contact with me. Case consideration for what?
Please e-mail me to explain. Thanks.
Yeah can’t go to a shelter with your family. That is why our whole family stayed in a mobile home during 100 mph winds in this last hurricane. I am not leaving my husband to fend by himself, so we all get punished.
After 7-1 you will need to report to FL. 3 days establishes a temporary residence, and they count by days of the week, not hours. So even if you are there Friday 11pm to Sunday, you still have three days. If you have family at multiple addresses that would be a way around the temp address
FAC,
Who is going to contact me? An attorney or group? Id be happy to help to provide any info, whether its for you guys (all of us) or just my case.
I think you have my e-mail address.
Fill out a case consideration: https://floridaactioncommittee.org/case-consideration/
too bad this subject wasent brought up 12 years ago when I got off my 15 year probation…
I had more freedom on Probation, my wife and I went everywhere,since I’ve been off Probation we haven’t gone anywhere…..
😐
I have been afraid of traveling outside of Florida or even within Florida since I completed probation because it is all so confusing. And it is not only any little actual mistake I make that could result in a felony, but any incorrect perception on the part of law enforcement that could also result in being charged and my life turned upside down. Again. I was happy to hear about the Fort Lauderdale housing restriction change and am now trying to find a new apartment as well.
Does anyone know the requirements of Indiana? Or where to look to find out? I want to visit for my mother’s retirement party.
The rule of thumb I usually follow for a “day” is whether I spent the night at the location. Often, I will use my family’s time-share from Sunday to Sunday, but on the first Sunday night I have the time-share, I spend the night at another hotel. The following Friday and Saturday night, I spend the night at another hotel, and hang out at the time-share all day. The only time I actually ‘resided’ at the time-share was Monday through Friday, four nights.
As noted in this chain, FAC and the comment section should not ever condone violating or getting around the law, but knowing the laws and following them to one’s advantage should always be encouraged.
I’m still confused. If I go to Georgia and stay three days (after July 1) at the same place, why would I have to report a temporary “residence” to Florida if I’m in Georgia and this requirement is a Florida, not Georgia, law?
Also, a “three-day” hotel stay is never 72 hours because you usually have to check in after 3pm and check out by 11am. The most it could be is 68 hours, thus not legally three days.
If you are going to let criminals in office that are destroying your human rights restrict your Freedom of Movement on this planet, then how can you blame the Nazis for murdering millions because “It was the Law”? They were only listening to everything their God-like leaders told them! Such holy people! You will go to Hell forever if you don’t listen to your supreme leaders! Here is a secret that may not be obvious to most people: These Laws are made by morons that never spent even 8 hours researching both sides of the topic before passing the ‘said law’. The less information you provide this corrupt, human-rights-violating scheme, the more of a Stand you take for your own life. You’re going to let some mis-guided morons tell you how you can and CANNOT live your ONE life when you are not causing harm to others? They can go (you know what) themselves. How much of this abuse are you US citizens going to take? These Monsters are passing laws that impede the lives of thousands of law abiding people, all while saying “Mass Murders are NOT MY PROBLEM!”, “Violence is NOT MY PROBLEM!”, “Kids being abused by family members is NOT MY PROBLEM!” It’s so easy to turn a blind eye to real problems huh? You have to be the lowest of the low of a person to be in politics and systematically pick-on a class of people that had labels placed on them, which citizens with a classified sex offense have had done to them (RONALD and LAUREN BOOK?). The same “LAWS” were applied to other types of “disliked groups” throughout the US’s history. “Blacks”? “Gays”? Where are the Bills that are being passed to prevent the deaths of more citizens on the registry due to vigilante violence which stems from the public registry? So it is OK to kill people on the registry, even encouraged due to public access, but someone who paid their dues to society and wants to travel to Florida with their family or travel internationally needs to give notice and likely be put back on a plane or risk being jailed for not wanting to give a ‘status report’ to their local police department? LOL! Laws like this turn this country into a complete joke. What intelligent human being would follow these Injustices and fight for them? The Founding Fathers of this country would DIE if they saw the injustices going on due to Abuses of Power in the government.
(Breathing a huge sigh of relieft) Siiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh. FINALLY, someone else “gets it!!!!” That is exactly my take on it too Joe123. The less these morons know about me and where I’m at, the better. And you’re right, refusing to follow this garbage is exactly what you said, standing up for MY RIGHTS. I went to prison because of THEIR ENTRAPPING me. I’m about to get off probation if they will stop dragging me through the hoops, and THAT’S IT!! That’s all I’m giving these people. Seeing and helping my family and my enjoyment of life is far more important at this point. I’m becoming my own 1776 revolutionary and standing up for ME. If everyone else wants to sit back and pander to these idiots who clearly just want total control over you and to continue feeding their lavish lifestyles (that WE allow), then go right ahead. Wow, Joe123, thank GOD for you! Great comment.
Be sure to obey all rational laws but be willing to take a stand against irrational laws that are designed only to build up the ego of some politicians and create more problems than they solve.
Please don’t try to confuse using logic and reason! BOTH of those are not used in Florida and to suggest otherwise would be anarchy! 🙂
But seriously, at one time slavery was legal, discrimination of gays, pot…the list goes on and on.
The only laws carved in stone are natural ones. Man-made laws are meaningless and can be changed on a whim.
Politicians in Florida use sex offenders and the registry as a tool to manipulate the masses with FEAR of a boogyman – the faceless monster just waiting to attack and they claim watching so-called “sex offenders” will stop it. Total lie when the FACT is that a child is most likely to be abused by someone they ALREADY KNOW and NOT a stranger.
The Books know this and yet use the lie to abuse strangers they have never met. They lie about child safety while these very lies allow the abuse to continue and even assist it by diverting attention to little red dots on a map! Half of which represent people who don’t even live in the state! Many of them actually DEAD!
Insanity that must stop! Please read my website for more info on the dirty secrets of the registries actual purpose they DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW! SexOffenderTruth.com
I finally know what it was like for the Jews in WWII and the atrocities they went through. History repeats itself. Today we as registered citizens are the main topic to the politicians not because they think all of these laws will stop anything but to a please their constituents so they get re-elected for another term. I did do a seaRCH ON FOREIGHN COUNTRIES THAT ALLOW REGISTERED CITIZENS TO ENTER WITHOUT A PROBLEM. i Was surprised of the extensive list and have made numerous trips since. I am preparing to go to Malaysia by the end of June who welcomes registered citizens into their country. Also I will go to nepal. The list says that almost all African countries do not stop registered citizens. With Europe its country by country and you just have to check before leavine or booking a flight to give to authorities the information. Interestingly enough when I went to Honduras they had me listed as a child abuser not a SO and they said that it happened 13 years ago. I gave the address and said my friends were in the lobby waiting for me they went to verify that they were there and they allowed me to stay for 1 week only. I then went to Managua Nicaragua and took the bus into Honduras and they just looked at my passport and allowed me to continue on. So I have found many ways to travel without incidence. It is the US Marshals that send the country that you plan to visit a “green notice of possible danger for the person entering the country” not your local Sheriffs department. However be aware that some countries such as India, Australia, Canada and Japan has actually made it a law that registered citizens can not enter their country and if they do can be arrested or turned back. Frank St. Lucie County. I would be willing to help anyone who wishes to travel internationally.
Frank – you should get in touch with Paul R. at Registrant Travel Action Group (http://registranttag.org/)
Sorry I’m getting confused. Does a SO have to tell the sheriff’s office if leaving out of state more than 3 days?
YES
If ESTABLISHING A TEMPORARY RESIDENCE out of state
So 10 states 2 nights each doesnt require a visit? And what if they do the home check on you and youre not hine? its usually the local pd not sheriff: what happens then?
Ive been out 2 days decided to go to sheriffs office so they can update the address as its out of state and they still knocked.
Correct.
Unless you are on house arrest or probation conditions, you do not have to be home. They will come back to check on you another time.
Theyve threAtened to question the neighbors after 48 hours of not being there even if my wife tells them where i am. I even report just in case to avoid this.
yes as of July 1st of this year.
Im confused. If someone could please clarify. I am traveling next month out of state. Will be leaving on a Friday and returning on the following Saturday. The state that I am traveling to only requires a written letter mailed to the appropriate authorities. I do not have to report to any office. What do I have to do in Fl. Thanks
If you stay in the same place more than 5 days (3 starting july) you need to report it in FL ON TOP OF whatever you report in that state, as required
It’s a bit confusing though in the sense that if we go on “vacation” for 5 days let’s say to California, a “vacation trip” (not a move) is a temporary residence ? Even if it’s a hotel ? That’s pretty retarded. They might as well be more clear and say, just report everything(vacations, moving, everything). Some states you visit don’t even have to report if you’re visiting there for less than 5 to 10 days. You can visit them for 4 days(a weekend even) and not say anything to the visiting state. A person would have to tell the sheriff here, but not the sheriff there ? These restrictions are so stupid, and only cause inconvenient entanglements, confusion and headaches on both sides for RCs and LEOs I can imagine.
Yes, a hotel is a temporary residence. Staying at a friend’s place is a temporary residence.
I went to Mississippi for 4 days and then returned I did ask the local law enforcement if I had to register he told me just go enjoy yourself and make no trouble for us. so it varies from state to state . Most of New England do not have restrictions as to where you live or stay and New Mexico has the most lenient laws in the USA. Once you are off probation which I have been since 2009 you really are a lot more free then you think. Play their silly game and go have fun. There is so much you can do and enjoy in this world.
The complete mishmash of regulations is designed so that we end up back in jail. I was told the first hour I was on probation by my PO that it was their job to put us back in jail. I think that is the same mindset at the people passing the laws – to get us out of the community one way or another.
I know I’ll get disagreement from this and chided or something, but I’m gonna say it anyway. There’s no way in hell they can enforce this if they don’t know where the hell I’m at and I don’t leave a trail for myself or get pulled over. For example, if I wanna go see my family in South Carolina for a week or however the hell long I wanna go, I go up and stay with my relatives, no hotel, and just park my car and ride with my relatives everywhere or just make sure I don’t get pulled over. Easy. Plus, how in the hell could it be proven by Florida how long I’ve been gone anyway?? Some of y’all are crazy to go to the sheriffs office for every little thing and put your face in front of them. I say what the govt doesn’t know about you, won’t hurt em. Now I know FAC is going to put a reply to this disagreeing with me and saying we need to follow the law because they have to say that. But my point is, quit living in fear of these idiots guys. Go out and enjoy your life. I intend to do that after I hopefully win my motion for early termination of probation in July. But of course, I’m being dragged through the mud on that too. In any event, I’ve had it. I’m not going to let these morons ruin my quality of life. There’s ways around everything, and if I’m not moving, going on a cruise, or traveling internationally, no one needs to know a damn thing about my business or whereabouts.
OK – here comes FAC’s disclaimer…
We HAVE to advise our members to follow the law, no matter how absurd we think the law might be.
The first person who gets popped for something they never thought they would get in trouble for in a million years (wait, that sounds familiar) that points to the FAC site as the source for authorizing it, imposes liability on our organization and destroys our credibility in the courts.
Our job, as a news site (news sites are exempt from Internet Identifier registration) is to report the FACTS. We inform our members of the latest changes to the law, including clarifications from legal or government authorities (not lay opinions). We also update on current litigation and issues affecting registrants in FL and worldwide.
We can not allow discussions on how to circumvent the laws or encourage others to violate them in our forum. That happens and all credibility goes out the window. It can jeopardize what we do.
I agree. Thank you!
Fair enough. That’s fine. They can just blame me for suggesting to circumvent the law then. The laws are made by crooks and therefore makes them null and void in my mind anywsu. Just my opinion.
This discussion has not yet resolved two conflicting definition of what constitutes a day. Is it:
– A calendar day (as in the example of 11 p.m. check-in), implying, in typical cases under the new law, two nights; or
– 24 hours (as in the example of checking in 11 a.m., checking 3 p.m. 68 hours later), implying, in typical cases under the new law, three nights.
And, typically how receptive are hotels to RSO’s staying on their property, particularly when (as will be increasingly frequent under the new law) they are establishing temporary residence there?
(Finally, FAC, the observation you make above in parens. regarding news sites, ought, unless I missed it, to be in neon and may merit its own topic, so that RSO’s are not intimidated about posting. Perhaps a note next to the Reply button?)
The definition is not defined in statute.
Why tell the hotel?
FAC,
Could you please post the “internet Identifiers” post again. My monthly check came by and told me that I dont have to report my vehicles, or delete my vehicles, I dont have to list ALL of my internet Identifiers, (just my e-mail address) and that I dont have to list all of my credentials/licenses on the FDLE website.
I have checked with legal council and they told me to print up ALL of my info, give it to the cop and have him sign it. Because if it isnt kept up to date, it is a 3rd degree FELONY on me. (for me supplying all updated info and them NOT reporting it)
Did you get that in writing? I hope so, because they are wrong. The law has not changed with respect to the reporting of Internet Identifiers or vehicles. We are not even in legislative session for the laws to change!
The relevant Florida Statutes are the same. You can find them here: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0900-0999/0943/Sections/0943.0435.html and here http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0775/Sections/0775.21.html
If you have a lawyer, take his or her advise
FAC,
Do cops EVER put anything in writing?? (LOL) I know my 3 month guy will NOT sign ANY document (except my registry app) so I give him the paper and he does nothing with it and I get busted for not “complying”???
When I informed my one month cop (today) of what I was going to do, he started to get LOUD, raising his voice. After I told him once to lower his voice (and he didnt) I told him to get off my property. He calmed down then. All he wanted to do is give me false directives.
He also told me that it was a “privilege” that the 3 month cop comes to my house to do my 3 month check as I am, by LAW required to go to the courthouse to register; not for him to come to me.
(I was BANNED & TRESPASSED from Broward County Courthouse by Dep. Halloway Hart–stating that I am a fall risk and a major liability for the courthouse. I have syncope w/ collapse, which means I can pass out at any time)
The police dont like for us to be compliant, and keep our FDLE stuff legal, just so they can jam us up for them not doing their jobs.
“Why tell the hotel?” Typically, they ask for your driver’s license when you check in so you are defacto telling them since F.S. or “Sexual Predator” is printed on your license.
Right – why tell them anything though?
What else would you do if they ask for your license? I have tried using student IDs and Military IDs, but they ask for something with your address on it. Am I the only person showing my license when I check in to a motel/hotel?
Put a sticker on it,over it, just remember to take it off when you leave the hotel desk.
If the Sheriff or police see a sticker over the SO info, they will arrest you..
Have your wife or Girlfriend take care of all that stuff, I’m
just a guest…
i pay in caash at check in and no id is required. I do use my credit card to make reservation so they hold it when i arrive i say i wish to pay in cash. they never ask for an id
Cant switch a dl to a hotel address i thought… so odd this idea…. useless and totally ambiguous…. and assenine
I agree but when you travel internationally don’t you want to sign up for sightseeing trips through a legitimate tour agency. In Hong Kong they take you to Canton on the main land of China which technically you can’t go but they get the visa and off you go with the group. I can’t see spending 1400 dollars and sit in my hotel. I love to explore and the organized tours handle all the paperwork. So am I to just pass up all the tours that are offered and just sit in Kowloon where my hotel is. By the way when I go to Malaysia the island of Penang is also Malaysia and I will register the address of the Cathay Hotel. Its 5 USD a day for a room in an old mansion. You learn culture see things you only saw in National Graphic and meet new people. Am I such a monster that I should not be allowed this privilege.
License plate readers everywhere. Same tech to track trucks. You see them at the borders and highways along with e pass tag readers.
Tag readers everywhere. And the tags are registered. On a bus: ticket requiers id. May have other ways but there are methods they can ise to establish cause
Well I’m still on probation and I’ve been able to go to South Carolina several times now. Never had a problem. Never got pulled over. Never even saw a cop all the way up I 95 the whole way. I’m not worried about it when I’m able to travel freely off of probation.
FAC, thank you so very much for for this information. Last month when I went to Virginia Beach for my high school class reunion I went to the police precinct office to ‘check in’. They didn’t know what to do. They finally got a ‘felon form’ out, put my temp hotel address on it, had me sign it, and sent me on my way with best wishes for a good reunion. I will be going back to Virginia Beach this month for an Aerospace Maintenance Professionals Symposium and it’s good to know that I will not have to put them and myself through that hassle again.
I will be carrying a copy of the FAC post everywhere I travel to.
yep, that’s exactly what i said as i use to travel for work and the local SO told me i need to register in every city, county, the state I travel through, he had me falsely arrested twice first-time warrant for not updating dr. lic. 1 year later for failure to change address. lost lots of time and $$$ crooked crooked crooked. finally, the state attorney told the cop i’m allowed to travel without telling him as long as i don’t actually move!
Good lesson – people are told all kinds of craziness by their POs and SPOT unit. If you don’t think they are right, ask them to reference the statute that requires it.
This is AWESOME information !. I always said the same thing, But Marion County Sheriff said I MUST report IN PERSON before and AFTER returning from out of state travel !!!. I even missed several business trips as well as Family passing away because I wasn’t allowed to travel without reporting in person FIRST to give them the address where I was going !! What makes it so bad here in Marion County is, The Sex Offender/Predator Unit is CLOSED on Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday. And only open till 3pm on other days !!!. And if you have an emergency, Your S.O.L !!!!. I’ve discussed this with the head of the Department and they also said “Ohh Well”, That’s the “LAW” !!, So now this proves were ALLOWED to travel OUT OF STATE without notifying them first !!. Thank You so much for getting the CORRECT INFORMATION for us !!. I should sue Marion County Sheriff for all the money I’ve lost over the last 5 YEARS because I couldn’t leave the state. (I own a Towing Service and get calls to tow Vehicles out of state all the time).. Thanks Again !!!!.
Marion County need an education on the laws . They just can’t keep making things up as they please the law is the law of course if you move to another county be aware that the county itself has certain requirements that they passed at one of their commissioners meeting. I love the city of Fort Pierce they bother no one and everyone lives in harmony.
I have questioned this before with BSO (Broward/COWARD Sheriff Office) AND FDLE and they couldnt give me a straight answer.
Lets say that I want to travel to New Hampshire (car). I would leave Fla and my first overnight stop would be “South of the Border”. The next day I would continue and stop in Penn. (overnight). The next day I would reach NH and stay 36 hours. Then I would come home about the same route; with the same “overnight only” stops.
The FDLE told me “as long as I am not in the place/residence for more than 3 days, I am GOOD !!”
3 or more days as of July!!!
so a 72 hour stay can only be 71 hours. And it’s aggregate in a year, so if you make the same trip every month stopping at the same hotel overnight every time, you will need to register after the 3rd overnight stay in that hotel. Suggest you find a different hotel for your 3rd overnight stop in Penn.
FAC,
actually, they would have to follow the law of the state they are going to. you are referencing the Florida law and if a person travels out of state then they need to follow the law where they are visiting as the 3-day lay is a Florida law and the person said they go out of state if they were traveling within Florida than that law applies.
Correct and good clarification.
You only need to inform FLORIDA if you will establish a temporary residence in another state for 3 or more days.
That other state in which you are for 3 or more days will have their own rules that you will ALSO need to follow.
How do you figure less than 36 hours? In my mind 3 or more days is two days that’s 48 hours, am I missing something here.
TOTALLY MY MISTAKE 72 HOURS
IT’S BEEN A LONG DAY
TO the FAC as of JUNE 1ST I am officially retired and will have a lot of time on my hands if you need help. As ytou know I have been very sick for the past few months but I am doing great now walking on my own and my memory is that I can hold an intelligent conversation. I owe it all to a team of doctors that really believed in me and worked hard to help me. I am no longer on pain medication and have finally gained a few pounds. You wouldn’t recognize me. I will be off of disability as of June 1st and the govt. will start to pay me my SSA early. GOD is GOOD. Anita I have a knew cell phone number send me an email and I will send you my new number. Also I have been approved to visit people I know in D.O.C. and will be teaching 2 classes at Okeechobee CI and Martin CI. It’s amazing!
Frank,
May God Bless you with your new found health. I hope that you can help take up the fight for ALL RSO’s. My health is failing (Severe Asthma/COPD–PTSD, Bipolar) otherwise I would be out, on street corners doing what I could to inform people about these travesties.
But even typing on my keyboard gets me out of breath, so all I can do is what I have been doing.
Please fight the good fight.
Thanks
Have no fear I am a Fighter and refuse to let them take advantage of me . They have tried but I am just not scared any longer. They can’t take away my dignity or character
PS Most states asked me to submit a SOAR form and they evaluate it. I am thankful that I would not have to register in a lot of states.
Florida policies are only hurting Florida and the many families who live here under such restrictions.
In reference to the reply about choosing a different Hotel. Would it not matter since you are in the same state again? I also always thought if you left your stated FL residence for the 5 or soon to be 3 days you would have to register. If that’s not correct then you are saying a person could technically jump state to state for no more than 3 days and return later without any notification even if it was over months of time? (Just in regards to Florida reporting) I believe I read it’s county based for in Florida travel so again 3 days in Miami then 3 days in Ft Lauderdale and no required advance reporting or the fact I am out of my Registered address for more then 5 days soon to be ?
It’s a bit confusing
You’re not the only one confused. Most of the law enforcers throughout many states are also confused. Florida told me to check in with police when I got to Virginia Beach…from Florida. The police officer that I checked in with did not know what to do. She called around and came up with some ‘make shift’ method of getting the address where I would be staying. The problem is these ‘do-gooder’ lawmakers are coming up with ‘feel good’ laws without investigating the ramifications of enforcement. My policy…do not violate common sense laws and law enforcement will pretty much leave you alone. They have ‘real criminals’ they need to focus on.
It is VERY confusing, but I believe that when there is a change in law or an alteration in the existing law that they must notify those that it will affect. This argument came up in Indian River County and the judge himself through the case out because the defendant was not properly notified of the change in the law. However it is my sole interpretation and I can definitely be wrong so please correct me: If you will be leaving your permanent address for more than 3 days you must tell them of your plans and where you are going. You do not have to register each place as a temporary address as you are not using the hotel as a temporary address and will be vacating within the three day period. I might be wrong but my county agrees with me.
You and your county are wrong.
There is no requirement that you notify if you will be leaving your permanent address for more than 3 days.
Just for your info New Hampshire has changed a lot of their laws giving registered citizens a lot of freedom (off probation) they do not have living requirements and they evaluate your case as to if you have to register at all except to let Florida know that you arrived and the registry is not public knowledge unless you are classified as a number 1 ie: predator, victim 12 and under, case involved brutality and violence etc. I know because I filled out the paperwork and was told I did not have to register I would only have to tell them if I moved to another residence within the state, same for Vermont, Massachusetts and connecticut does registration yearly by the mail you fill in the little bubbles and that’s for ten years for the worse offense less if the degree of offense is less. Even New York has changed a lot of their registration laws you just have to check each one out. As far as visiting most states can’t be bothered with the paperwork. I think the states are realizing that all this will not stop a pediphile from re-offending. That’s who most of these laws are geared to. Not the guy who made a one time mistake and has never re-offended again.