International Megan’s Law – Travel issues becoming more prevalent for registrants.
In recent months we’ve seen an increase in members reporting difficulty traveling internationally. We’re also seeing countries that formerly admitted persons required to register, now turning them away. Just last month a member was denied entry into Greece, a country that was previously not off limits and a member of the European Union. It’s raising some concern over what will become over travel to the other 26 member countries of the EU.
We are also receiving information that the United States is taking a more active roll in blocking international travel by persons required to register. For example; US Department of Homeland Security Agents have pulled people off of airplanes in Florida before even departing, stating they were not able to enter the international destination. Also, the United States has opened 80 Homeland Security Investigations (“HSI”) Offices in 53 countries internationally. HSI agents have been waiting for persons required to register when they land in the destination country and turning them right around before they even have a chance to speak with the receiving country’s immigration officer.
While the government denies they play any role in determining whether someone can enter a foreign country or restricting international travel. Their actions contradict that assertion. They also claim that the notices are merely information and are not intended to block someone’s entry, but in this training video, they acknowledge that the SMART Office has compiled a list of countries that persons required to register cannot go to (“However, what we know is that many countries have elected to not allow offenders to come into the country. And so with this notification that’s done in advance, then the country at the time that the offender were to come to the country can make that decision. But we also know that there are, again, as I said, some countries that are not accepting offenders. And we have a list of those.”).
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So I have a recently renewed passport with no mark on it. If I inform the government of my vacation plans 21days prior, they could revoke my passport before I leave!! Wow.
Anyway.. Can I get into Turks & Caicos? Barbados? Aruba? Anyone have any experiences here?
I recently got my expired passport renewed after judge ended probation early on CP conviction. There is NO mark on my new passport. Do I advise our Nazi government of my travel plans of family vacation (wife and children) to the Caribbean. We haven’t decided which island yet. Any insight is greatly appreciated. P.S. This will be my first trip out of the country since my conviction.
@Anonymous
If you are have to register still, then you need to notify of travel.
Americans covered by IML must notify authorities of their international travel plans once they’re known, regardless of what their passport says or doesn’t say.
But those under the jurisdiction of a ‘Nazi government’ likely are not under the jurisdiction of IML and may have arrived here in a time machine.
@ Anonymous: Glad you received your unmarked passport! Enjoy it! But FYI, my OWN personal experience and what I have heard from others suggest this: Most – if not all – registrants will first receive an unmarked passport. It appears to be the international travel itself that triggers the revocation of the passport (whereupon, if one requests a new passport, it will bear the IML “unique identifier”.
I traveled to Europe three or four times on my unmarked passport before I received a revocation letter.
(Many people get a passport and then just never travel internationally. Ot sits unused. Why would the government waste time and effort to revoke a passport that sits in a desk drawer, unused? Instead, I think they focus their efforts – and revocations -on those passports that ARE actually being used for international travel.
So don’t be too surprised if you travel a few times before you receive a revocation letter.
And just FYI: I have never had anyone bother to look at that stupid IML wording on my passport.
I’m glad I did all my international travel before I became a “hardened criminal.” Regarding others not bothering to look at the stupid IML info, probably others see it as stupid, too.
Not if you go to Puerto Rico. I can tell you it’s amazing. Highly recommend vacationing there!
No passport required either.
⭐⭐ PLEASE NOTE ⭐⭐
If you are – or if you know – the Registrant who was turned away from entering Greece, please contact me at: [email protected]
(Note: Two XXs in Boxx)
I would like more details, such as the date of occurrence and approximate time, which Greek airport, what airline/carrier and flight #, your name (if comfortable providing it), any other detail you can provide (DHS agents’ names, etc.).
I would like to file a FIOA Request with DHS, but it would be very helpful to have additional information for the request so it can be processed more quickly and we can find out what happened and why.
Thanks in advance!
– David
The registrant was turned away by Greek agents. That’s what he described on this forum weeks ago.
Whoever the mysterious Greece-traveling registrant is, he has not contacted me. I am trying to verify the information and, so far, have been unable to do so. So I’m not yet convinced it is true.
(See my post above.)
i just emailed you…i was the one denied entry in Athens Greece….
Thank you. Email received. I will reply to you by email.
Hey Steve. I am supposed to go to Greece for a work trip in August. Would you be willing to share your experience or any suggestions you have with me? I appreciate it.
Bret, Im sorry for the delayed response. Call the US embassy in Greece, call the Police at airport (passport control) and ask them straight up to avoid embarrassment and potential detainment
..they have the right to detain you at their federal facility until you fly directly back to US, the same way you came. Do your homework, don’t take any chances. I pray noone goes through what i did last year. (i paid $2500 for a direct flight back to US on another airline so i wouldn’t have to stay in jail) I already served my time.didn’t feel like staying up to 4 or 5 days for my flight credit with my airline to return me to US.
I just took a cruise of the Mediterranean with my SO friend and a stop was in Corfu, Greece. We had no problem entering Greece from the cruise. I often wonder if going by cruise us the way to enter so called forbidden countries. The cruise ship holds your passport info and you don’t go through customs when visiting different ports.
I see Just Facts Not Fear is bashing this article. I wrote this as a response:
“What little information those of us who receive on international travel are reliant on self-reporting by the relatively few Registered Persons who travel internationally. We are thus reliant on anecdotal evidence, i.e., personal reports. That also means that the actual events could be embellied, were too angry to accurately memorize specific details, made assumptions, or completely made up by people seeking sympathy or to disrupt our information network. But if it was indeed true, how could you verify it happened?
I don’t travel internationally as my activism includes trying to provide the most factual info it is hard to give accurate information on just traveling across the US much less across the world. There’s nowhere we can go to fact chack anything in regards to international travel. I’d love to provide more than just “you might experience problems traveling or moving outside the USA” but I have little to point to other than anecdotal, self-reporting.”
We all post what little news is available to us. I’m not saying any one is right or wrong, but we all must recognize that with this International Travel flap, we have only personal reports to rely upon. I can’t get reliable data from the US State Dept or from other countries.
Where are the facts to support this claim FAC? You’ve been called out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3x-v5U4Prc
Have not watched this yet. Will watch and reply.
The critique is worse than the article it’s critiquing.
The problems that people have recently had entering Guatemala and Greece have been described on this platform in detail. They are credible. There was no logical reason to believe they would have been embellished.
But Facts Not Fear is saying, these things couldn’t have happened, because they are illogical.
So?
So they’re illogical. IML is illogical. Our state’s registry scheme is illogical. But they are very real. As anyone such as Facts Not Fear who’s been on the registry for a couple years should know, for things not to make sense IS the norm.
And even if he is correct, he owes FAC an apology. He and FAC are part of the same movement. If he had issue with what FAC was publishing, he could have simply contacted FAC and tried to work it out first. Instead he goes behind FAC’s backs to critique FAC publicly. Which might have been appropriate had he first attempted to work with FAC. But apparently, he didn’t. Which leads a viewer like me to suspect that he is motivated by some sort of ego gratification. In contrast to FAC board members, who tend to swallow their ego and volunteer many hours without so much as showing their faces.
I have no particular motivation to defend FAC over Facts Not Fear. I’m not on the board, and FAC barely knows me. I didn’t write the FAC article and don’t know who did. I do understand understand the valid reasons for the anonymity of the individual author. I suspect Facts Not Fear understands this also, acts like he doesn’t, and is simply trying to sound clever. I thank FAC for working hard to get to the (sometimes mysterious) truth, even if Facts Not Fear is out there trying to knock you down publicly, based on nothing but his “personal knowledge,” as I think he put it in the video.
If I ever volunteer to do something that apparently overlaps with what Facts Not Fear is doing, such as FAC’s International Subcommittee (I think that’s what it’s called), then, based on this video, I am going to watch my back. This movement has now grown big enough that there are individuals within it who will try to sh*t on you.
Sorry, am I overreacting?
I agree, Jacob. While going through the stages of grief with this registry crap, we believed that such nonsense couldn’t be happening to us; when the shenanigans started then continued, we now believe that anything is possible. Yeah, LOGICALLY, US agents would have no jurisdiction in another country and would prevent a PFR from boarding an international flight in the first place. BUT…why are there restrictions on a PFR’s rights to travel and not say a drug trafficker or murderer? Why are children held in such high regard, even from those who offended against an adult? Why does a serial adult rapist get to free ride around, no leg shackle or any restrictions, yet one locked up for CP possession is treated like an unhinged animal?
The problem is that Florida and the rest of the United States practice sheer ILLOGIC when it comes to everyone’s “safety and security.”
I agree with you and Jacob.
This guy should have posted a reply on F.A.C.’s website, at the specific article. And asked questions, instead of accused so much.
When I watched his video, I was thinking that it was even more illogical and unsupported than what F.A.C. said could even possibly be construed/imagined to be. Take the agents at other countries’ airports – who said that they had “jurisdiction” there that would not have been given to them by the host country? Who said they had any jurisdiction at all? Perhaps they have an agreement with the host country to do exactly what they wanted to do and more. And the comment that doing that would take too many people and resources? Really?!! That is laughable. Like America cares how much they waste on this nonsense! It wouldn’t shock me if America deployed 1,000 big government employees all over the world with the sole purpose being to harass PFRs who are just trying to travel with their families. Wouldn’t shock me in the slightest.
I’d like to admit that I did not read F.A.C.’s original post carefully or critically. Same with the guy’s video. But I did have an immediate (and accurate!) impression that it could easily be picked apart. I’m not going to take the time to dig into any of it. Got other work to do.
My impression was/is that he did the video to gain attention and attract views/hits. He didn’t prove that wrong so it’s on him as far as I’m concerned. I wish him the best, but be more careful in the future.
FAC, I see you responded. Thank you. The issue of verified information borders on privacy of the source. I have no reason to disbelieve FAC and I have no dispute in River’s questioning of the facts. Presentation of the facts, even redacted to exclude private info, could solve the questioning.
Using the “sex offender” population as a template, the United States Government (USG) now feels emboldened to create a new sub-class of citizenry, the un-jabbed (UJ). While the masses stood by, and even jeered, while the USG took away our constitutional rights, the UJ now find themselves being persecuted for the crime of not bending the knee to Herr Fauxchi. Yes, not following the contradictory CDC, WHO, NHI, and WTF guidance will now brand you a criminal.
Just as the USG uses Big-Tech to do their dirty work on us, they are now unleashing it on the UJ. We were the first to be “cancelled.” Now, anyone who wrongspeaks of groupthink will be censored and cancelled.
If the UJ want to fly, they will have to “show their papers.” International travel destinations have already began implementing mandatory proof of jab.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffwhitmore/2021/08/12/do-you-have-to-show-proof-of-vaccine-to-fly/?sh=22ab142d2eac
Mandatory jabs are already in America, in schools, colleges, government agencies, the military and corporate America. If you want to work with over 30 major companies, you will have to take the jab.
https://money.yahoo.com/companies-requiring-proof-of-vaccination-from-employees-185710054.html
Of course the CDC pushed companies to do the mandojab.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/essentialworker/workplace-vaccination-program.html
And POTUS is incentivizing more companies to do so.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/11/politics/private-sector-vaccine-mandates-biden-meeting/index.html
Some posters have complained about injecting politics into our discussions, but let’s face it, everything is political in 2021. The registry itself is a result of politics. Every new layer of punishments inflicted upon us is political.
If we could somehow convey to the masses that we were the test cases for stripping of civil rights, just maybe whatever rollbacks they can achieve could benefit us as well.
Hope the unvaxxed keep their distance from my family. Nothing personal.
@ JZ: With regard to international travel destinations banning the unvaccinated from entering their countries, they have every right to do so in order to keep their population safe from infection. Just as the U.S. has done. We are trying to contain the spread of a deadly pandemic. Why is that so difficult to understand??
I work in the public health field and I have increasingly little patience for the idiocy of anti-vaxxers. If you choose not to get vaccinated because you’re going to trust some conspiracy crap you read on the internet, then how about when you get sick with COVID, you have your neighbor or the plumber down the street or the guy at Quick-Mart provide your healthcare instead of overburdening already exhausted nurses and medical doctors?? You’re the one choosing not to get vaccinated, so take the consequences and don’t go to a hospital when you get sick. Tough it out or die at home – but don’t burden those who don’t deserve it.
And it is certainly not the same thing as being a Registrant with a IML-marked passport. If you’re unvaccinated, you can solve that situation very simply: Go get vaccinated! The vaccine shots are free. I, however, cannot have the unique identifier removed from my passport simply by doing something that is free and convenient at every local drugstore and public health center, can I??
You are trying to draw people in lot your personal foolishness by promoting conspiracies and drawing false equivalences.
@COVID cures Stupid
You assume I’m an anti-vaxxer and personally attack me for making an abstract analogy. You call me stupid, foolish, an idiot, and tell me to die at home because you don’t like my analogy. You accuse me of believing and promoting conspiracies when I have not. The links I provided support my opinion.
All, lets agree to disagree on this off-topic issue.
How is this off-topic? Read it again. It’s spot-on-target! (Hint: not about vaccination.) JZ is very astute in his post.
Almost all of this is wrong and it should be removed.