Member Submission: Statement prior to registration
Recently I attended the Safe and Just Michigan You Tube conference. I wrote a suggestion in the comments section calling on all Floridians to read a brief (10-15 second long) statement to the registering officer every time, immediately prior to registration.
I was asked by Judith Levine (a national advocate who was on the panel) to please present this idea for consideration.
I feel that this must be a national mandate. For, if we are silent, then we give our tacit consent.
Here is the text of the statement, which I am recommending:
” Before we begin, it is my duty to read the following short statement: I fully intend to comply with Florida (or whatever state) law and to provide you with all of the information that you demand during this interrogation. However, I am both a Florida and US citizen who currently is under no criminal sanction whatsoever. As a representative of the government, you have no right to any of my personal information. You are about to violate several of my rights under the United States constitution. And I object .”
Thank You.
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Btw I am grateful to anyone that volunteers member submissions. I always look forward to reading them, and look at the discussion we’re having.
FLORI-DUH, keeps You on the Registry, Even after You are Dead!
-A Life and After-Life of Double Jeopardy! (not referring to the Game Show)
Apparently, your Family Estate can petition for Removal of Your Name, etc after you pass…Perhaps a good idea, so Their Names are Not associated with a dead SO!
WOW!
This should be illegal. Keeping a person who passed away on a registry that is “SUPPOSED” to be protecting the public? I guess the dead zombies need will rise out of their grave and chase down children?
No, In my opinion, it is done for three reasons. #1 The states get funding for cushioning their registries. #2 They do not want to pay someone to do the extra work to remove someone who has passed #3 I DO think they want to set an example and say “Even AFTER you die, you will STILL be a sex offender in our eyes”.
The fact remains, legally, if someone passes, they should automatically be removed within 72 hours of verification the person has passed. Additionally, the same should happen for those who NO LONGER live in the state. Why keep someone on it if they have left, HOW are they a threat to the state?????
It WILL be illegal, if we raise enough $ for Out Of State Challenge and argue it successfully.
We are speaking with an attorney about Out of State. We’re having trouble raising funds for that challenge, but we might have a solution.
If you need someone to do grunt work on that case let me know. I have offered to help a couple of times and I’ve never heard back. And yes, I am nominally qualified to assist as I was an attorney before my arrest. This could be an important case for a number of us as there are a couple of places that we could go and get off the list or in one case, not even have to register at all. But we would still be on the Florida registry and I’m guessing they would demand to know our new address and. threaten us with arrest and incarceration If we declined.
We need the help. Just shot you an email.
I don’t want to sound like and ASS but I hope when someone offers to help, they are checked out to make sure they are not someone from the “Other side” trying to infiltrate us.
Sorry just had to be said / asked of .
No offense to JoeM, it just made me think of how twisted our enemies can be to take us down.
Curses! You caught me! I was trying to get the FAC people to show
me the secret secret offender handshake.
Didn’t get it in regular mailbox or junk.
Joe – we sent email to the email address on this post (hidden from public). Can you send an email to [email protected]?
JoeM
Our secret handshake has been kept under lock and key and passed down for 1000s of years. We just want to make sure its’ powers are not destroyed by an Evil Warlock escaped from the Chamber of Secrets. If it got into the wrong hands, our fate would be sealed. Then what’s next, our secret code word is deciphered? :)~
How Much $$$$$ is needed and what law firm would be appropriate for this challenge. I am all in…as this affects me as well as many!
I can probably get the $$$ if it is a reasonable amount
thank u in advance
this will be an anonymous donation!
We have thermometers on our donation page (https://floridaactioncommittee.org/donations/) showing all the suits we are funding for and how close we are to having them funded (or how much is needed to raise).
The major case is the Ex Post Facto Plus which has different stages of funding (retainer and sustainer) and is currently in litigation. Attorney Val Jonas is lead attorney.
I’ve been doing this for over 2 decades. Every single time I talk to anyone about the Registries, for any reason. But what I have found to be more interesting and effective is to instead make fun of the Registries and anyone who supports them. I truly do think that most people who ACTUALLY support Registries are not very smart. So I can genuinely make fun of them. Most people don’t want other people to think they are stupid. Most people who zealously support the Registries have low self-esteem and it embarrasses them if people think they are stupid. I think it affects their attitudes and even beliefs.
I read below where Jacob said that they will just say “okay” and shrug. That is mostly right, in my experience. But why not say something? Why not? Instead of just acting like it’s all fine. I’m nice about it and most officers are just fine with talking about it. A lot of them agree with me.
But I think it is very important to establish boundaries with them and make it clear that you know the law and won’t be allowing them to do just anything they like. They know what they are going to get with me and they don’t bother me. I really think they bother people who they know they can. That is what bullies do.
Just think how different the Registration landscape would look if all million people Registered fought back every single time.
Sure….
If someone would pay me, I would diligently research which states to relocate to from Floriduh. Anecdotally, I have looked at several and the biggest obstacle I see is that many states require you to register in that state if you were required to register in Floriduh. After that, several states restart the clock so you have to be a resident of that state for so many years before you can beg to be removed. And as we all know, Floriduh keeps you on it’s registry even when you have moved out of state.
That being said, here is a good place to start your search:
http://ccresourcecenter.org/state-restoration-profiles/50-state-comparison-relief-from-sex-offender-registration-obligations/
NARSOL state wiki also covers this.
https://statewiki.narsol.org/doku.php
Vermont is the one state where if you meet their 10 year qualification, you don’t even have to register when you show up. In other places like Georgia, out of staters are treated the same as locals. Where it gets a tad confusing is in some states like maybe Colorado or Oregon where you’re not quite sure how they treat someone from out of state. The Oregon law was supposed to change in a good way as of January 2019, but I haven’t checked back in with him. Of course the problem with Oregon is that it’s very expensive. In the case of Massachusetts. An out-of-state registrant might be able to get their term reduced from 20 to 10 years, but they can’t tell you if you’re eligible until such time as you move to Massachusetts and register. We’ve obviously run into examples where in theory, a person from out of state would be eligible to be removed but for the fact that, like in Kentucky and a few other places, they classify either every out-of-state registrant as a tier 3/lifetime registrant or, like in the case of Ohio they classify you in the same manner as your state of conviction. I recall that is what happened to Derek from Once Fallen.
Good info JoeM. Also, I have verified with the state government and a private lawyer that Maryland no longer requires registration if one’s offense (not conviction or court date) predates October of 1995. Though one lawyer suggests there may still be an issue with federal SORNA registration.
Hello, I know this is off topic a little bit, but has anyone been able to apply for the unemployment or partial employment in florida. I have tried for partial since hrs got cut down to under 30 hrs a week, I gave employer info and all info needed. I tried to claim weeks but its says for me they need 5 proofs a week for seeking employment and providing false info leads to prison. Even though site says that requirement has been suspended because of the covid 19. Just wondering if this is a separate issue or a common issue among us registered folks.