Member Submission: When Probation imposes their own rules.
XXXXX is a registered citizen and was told by his probation officer that if he wanted to own a business in his name, that his probation office would notify all of his clients that he was on the registry, and that XXXXX would be required to provide a weekly itinerary to probation.
Knowing that this wasn’t in his probation orders, XXXXX filed a motion to clarify with the 6th Circuit Court, Citrus County, and had a hearing in December.
At the hearing, the Judge ordered probation to have no contact with XXXXX’s clients, and XXXXX now has a business in his own name.
Furthermore, a friend of XXXXX’s, who is also a business owner, and a registered citizen, was told by the same probation office that probation would also notify all of his clients of his registration status. XXXXX’s friend filed a motion to modify probation in Pasco County last week and the Judge agreed that probation was not allowed to contact clients.
XXXXX just wanted to get this information out there, as probation officers across the state are likely telling registered citizens across the state of this incorrect information, and thus, limiting their ability to own businesses.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and for fighting for those who can’t.
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Think of the Holocaust and what was said “NEVER AGAIN” people we all need to stand together or be divided now is the time to put an end to all this BULLSHIT stand up for your rights and put an end to this bureaucratic bull that is handed to you just remember united we stand divided we fall I for one have had enough don’t ever let somebody tell you that you have no rights you have just as much rights as any one else in this God forsaken Country Take a stand “NEVER AGAIN”
My court rules of probation mentioned NOTHING about Halloween. I didn’t listen to p.o. about her Halloween rules and I went about my normal day. She sent me to the judge for a scolding. But the judge never mentioned why I was there. No mention of Halloween day of “house arrest” Lol He just gave me a very gentle & general “follow your rules of probation or else” speech. This was NY & I just paid no mind to those added rules, ever, & took my chances.
Awesome post! Keep up the great work! 🙂
I hate to repeat myself but this is all about money. the registered people in this story had to hire a lawyer and i am sure pay some kind of court costs etc… What probation is hoping is that the registered individual does not have any money and that he or she can get away with imposing their will on whomever cannot defend themselves. this has been going on for years and there is no one to stop it. if the officers in question had to pay for the court costs and attorney’s if they lost i am sure you would see far fewer trying to get away with what they did.
“Quasi-lesbian,” “carpet munchers”?
People on this forum have a variety of sexual orientations. Can we not attack people for that, please?
I happen to know more than one female probation officer. I’m not privy to to their sexual orientation, but I do know a number of gay women as well. Not one of them, that I can recall, exhibit signs of hating men as you suggest.
Maybe it’s just you that these people hate.
Thanks for posting that, Jacob. The post you replied to was removed.
I think I am one of the few who follow this blog who is both currently on probation as well as having internet privileges. I have run across the “tell your clients” thing as well. Several times. First, was when I was working a cleaning business. Cleaned commercial buildings after hours. No problem. But then my boss wanted me to help with some residential properties–even though no one would be home at that time. My P.O. said “sure”. Just give her a list of the houses I cleaned and she would call them up to verify that a registrant was in their house and did they mind? Needless to say, my boss decided against that. Then, a few weeks later, I was told by that same p.o. that if I started a lawn care business, pool business, tree trimming, or other type of business that typically caters to residential home owners, that I would have to provide a list of client’s so she can “let them know”. That nixed that plan as well. However, later, when I switched p.o.’s (due to a move in my residence), the new p.o. didn’t seem to have a problem. So, same office, same county, different result. On the other hand, am not allowed to go to the shopping mall. EXCEPT, if the store happens to have an outside entrance. In other words, I can visit an anchor, but can’t walk down the concourse. UGH!
I have found out that the key is to know more about the probation rules than the probation officers do. Especially the difficult ones.
Congrats to XXXXX on his victory.
But if you had an armed robbery conviction, you’re more than welcome to enter residencies. Excellent! SMH
And go to the mall!
It sounds like you really know what you’re talking about as do the other commenters on this post. This was my first search into this subject as I own a small cleaning business and I am in a position where probation may be something I am facing. I have still not gone through mitigation yet. I have long time clients. I have not been trying to increase my business beyond what I am physically able to handle. I do house cleaning and vacation rental cleaning. Where can I go to find comprehensive information on this subject. This forum is very helpful and I’m going to save it. I would also love it if there’s anybody on here who is interested in having a discussion for me. I would like to be prepared before I get to this stage of probation. I want to go prepared with knowledge. By the way I have been accused of something that was taken out of context and then twisted by the police and used against me. Even the supposed victim swore up and down that he was not a victim. The whole thing is ridiculous. It all comes down to make sure you’re never angry while you’re trying to help someone. It’s unbelievable that the police can twist something, the media can lie about it, and somebody who’s only ever been an excellent and upstanding citizen can be in this position due to one episode that lasted less than 6 seconds. Anyway would appreciate any and all help and guidance I could get from those who have been through this probation situation
When I was on probation from 1999 to 2008, I had well over a dozen probation officers over that span of time, several of whom loved to make up their own conditions. In 2007, a probation officer “ordered” me to sign an additional page of standard conditions of sex offender probation that did not exist at the time I committed my office (August 1997) or was sentenced (April 1999). I told her that she was putting me in an impossible position: either disobey her order to sign the document or otherwise sign away my constitutional rights. I asked her if she thought ordering me to sign the page was the right thing to do and she said no, and we never talked about it again.
I had to go to court about half a dozen times to seek “clarification” while I was on probation in order to get the rogue probation officers to stop imposing their own conditions or trying to impose conditions that didn’t exist at the time of my offense.
I will add that all of my problems existed while I was on probation in Broward County. Once I moved to Miami-Dade County, which my attorney recommended, most of the problems stopped.
Also, for about 3 years my probation officer was the one who was arrested for raping one of his “clients” a few years ago in Coconut Creek (a Jamaican woman he was supervising; this should be enough info for you to Google it and get the details). He violated me twice on bogus allegations (the only times I was violated during my 10 years on sex offender probation), the second of which resulted in an apology from the judge, who by the way was the same Broward County Circuit Court Judge who was removed from the bench and eventually disbarred for having an improper relationship with the prosecuting attorney in a death penalty case.
Yes, that’s right. My probation officer (Z.B.) was the one who was accused of raping his clients, and my judge (A.I.G.) was the one who was removed for having a clandestine affair with a prosecutor while trying a death penalty case and eventually got disbarred for it after lying about it while under oath. I’m sure many of you reading this already know exactly who I’m taking about, but you can find out who she is by Googling the details. That’s how corrupt the system is.
Your probation orders are a court order agreed upon by you .state att. And the judge. Your probation officer is nothing more than a reporter to the court if you do not follow your probation orders they can not add or subtract from your orders .next time you go to court because they tried to make you do something that’s not in your orders ask the judge if he could instruct the d.c. to follow your probation orders and due not vary from them without a court order .it works I know because that’s what I did the order was issued and I finished my probation with no harrassment do not be afraid to go to court
Is this a FL only legal principle, or something that is applicable in other jurisdictions?
Exactly dude judges follow the law y’all don’t puss up to these nazi POS. They will be reprimanded pulling this shit so alway take it to a hearing, always plea not guilty when your in the right. Spread the word and stay the f outta trouble and it make us all look bad with new legit charges.
If this is the probation officer you’re referring to, I find it rather odd that the charges didn’t stick. The prosecutor dropped the charges. Hold on…. even if a person consents, it is still ILLEGAL to have sexual encounters with someone you have AUTHORITY over. That’s why prison guards cannot have sexual relationships with inmates. Even a college professor cannot have sexual relationships with adult students. You’re in a position of power over that person. This P.O. committed a sexual offense. He should be registered like anyone else would be. Florida is truly Floriduh. Wow!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-ne-probation-officer-rape-case-settles-20190104-story.html%3foutputType=amp