NY: New town law sets limit on number of registered sex offenders who can stay at a hotel or motel
The Herkimer, NY town board adopted a new law setting a limit on the number of registered sex offenders who can stay at a hotel or motel at one time, based on a point system.
Town Attorney Christopher Bray explained that a registered Level 1 sex offender is assigned one point, a Level 2 offender is assigned two points, a Level 3 offender three points, etc. Under the new law, a hotel or motel with a capacity of fewer than 50 people is limited to four points.
Bray said he discussed the point system with the Colonie town attorney, asking if that town’s system had ever been challenged in court. He was told the law had been successful in limiting the number of sex offenders and there had been no challenges to the system.
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Do not conflate “most sex crimes are committed by unregistered persons” with, “an unregistered person is at higher risk to commit a sex crime.” The first of these is consistent with the data, while the second is easily debunked by the same data.
I’m sympathetic to why this statement is made, but it’s not what the data says. If our side has any advantage at all, it’s that we have the facts on our side, and they don’t. Let’s try to keep it that way.
If anyone feels picked on by this observation, please don’t, it’s meant for everyone.
I agree completely.
The immoral Registry Nazis lie, misrepresent, and exaggerate. Our side, the moral side, should not. Let’s hold ourselves to a better standard than them. Let’s care about facts.
Having said that, I feel zero obligation at all to be honest or nice to them. So I will likely continue to say just about anything that I want (in certain contexts) as long as it is not a direct lie. I think it is very effective to just keep repeating PR incessantly.
Regarding this particular statistic, I think the studies I have seen show (within a certain timeframe, of course) that Registered People are about 4 times more likely than an average person to commit a $EX crime. I would frame that as not even worth thinking about. It’s insignificant.
As I’ve said a million times, the only way to ACTUALLY protect yourself and/or your family, in ACTUAL reality and not Registry Fantasyland, is to treat literally everyone as if he/she has committed many $EX crimes in the past and might in the future. That is the only way. Once you do that, you don’t have any need at all for any completely incomplete list of former “bad guys” from nanny big government.
I mean, NBG is STILL telling everyone about people who were “bad guys” decades ago and lying that it is useful somehow. NBG is a immoral joke and should be treated as such.
While you’re at it make a point system for DUIs , shop lifters , drug possession, assault, scammers, blacks, Jews, Asian’ , Mexicans, etc.
Don’t stop with RSOs.
Perhaps sex-offender reservations can be cancelled if non-RSO request the room. Perhaps once this law is passed, the hotel can promote a policy that once a quota of one race has rented rooms the remaining rooms are reserved for another race. They can have sex offenders ride on the back of busses and they must give up their seats for non-RSO. I say, all should boycott hotels in that town.
Sex offenders have their wives or girlfriends rent the room. That is how Airbnb works.
Please don’t call people who are listed on the Registries “sex offenders”. It’s inaccurate. It’s also a weapon of war.
But yes, a Registered Person should probably just always have other people make reservations, rent cars, whatever. Even if it is not necessary. Just because.
I expect that this “law” is just meant to cover people who actually have to Register the address of the hotel or motel. In those cases, it doesn’t matter whose name the room is rented under.
But if you are not forced by law to tell a criminal regime a hotel or motel you are staying at, don’t allow them to tell you that you are. Just never speak to them.
So we are back in Catholic school where the Nuns assign you points and once you reach them you go to the headmaster for discipline ?
Seems every time we move forward one step, another state, county, city or town comes up with another way around the system.
Make up the rules as you go and dare someone to challenge them?
You do not want offenders in your neighborhood so they are forced to go to hotels which now you are limiting to make them go somewhere else. Sound familiar ? Miami homeless ring a bell?
This law’s proponents are basically honest— they do not claim a public safety risk but instead a business risk and risk to the tax base, rooted in a “feeling” of safety. Similar to the position of the Clay County Board of Commissioners. Were we dealing with only a police registry rather than internet registry, this would barely even be an issue.
And when you think about it, while most individual registrants are at low risk to re-offend, a high concentration of registrants, collectively, is at higher risk, aren’t they? It’s more likely that SOMEBODY in that mix is high risk.
Don’t you think the greater risk is those guest staying at the hotel who have never been caught offending, and are not on any registries or being watched their every move by LE are the greater risk in any hotel, Jacob?
Were you aware that 95% of sex crimes are committed by someone not on the registry that are known to the victims, not by registered sex offenders?
Can we please dispel the myth that a member of the general public is higher-risk than a registrant? It represents a misreading of statistics on 95%/5%.
We ALREADY have the facts and statistics on our side. Let’s not mess that up by misinterpreting them in public.
(Not picking on any one individual— I have seen this argument distorted multiple times on this forum).
I know what you are saying but I think Jed is right in that any person who is Registered at a given hotel or motel is not very likely to be committing a crime there, wouldn’t you think? I mean, I think the Registries are a daily reminder to a person that if he/she is going to commit a crime, he/she just needs to go where other people are Registered (i.e. elsewhere).
I don’t know how kidnappers or whomever think, but personally, I’d never do that near my home, work, or whatever. Just go elsewhere. Maybe to a hotel where you won’t Register? Because why would you Register if you intended to commit a crime? That’s only something a Registry Nazi would believe.
We know that Registered People (RP) are a higher risk but I like to think a little differently about it. If a $EX crime were committed at a hotel, it is already 95% likely that a RP did not do it. Further, I’d expect that it is maybe 99.99% likely that the criminal was not Registered at THAT hotel. That is why if a $EX crime is committed, smart LE doesn’t bother with the BS Registries. Smart LE know that is a waste of limited time and other resources. They follow facts and evidence just like they should.
Which is another great lesson. If any LE comes to you and wants to talk to you about anything, NEVER speak to them. It doesn’t matter if you have done nothing wrong and have 100 alibis, there is never any reason to speak to LE. You can find a million attorneys that will tell you that.
Jacob,
please stop saying that it’s justified because there is a high risk or like you did on the other post stating “registries and banishment laws ” were made for people like him!!! . i have news for you your on the list to so they must of been made for people like you as well!!!
This is a disingenuous characterization of my comments that does not appear to be made in good faith.