This is a story that really illustrates the inhumanity of these laws.
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This is really sad. If this does now show how punitive the registry is, then I do not know what does.
We could sit here and be crushed but the sacrifices if this man and others are what empower attorneys to have something to use the next time a judge wants to say it’s not punishment so it’s not ex facto. granted idk how weakly these attorneys argued when we lost ex facto at supreme and other places cuz there are even precedents that say if a mandate is to result in mandatory public reporting that makes it likely that punishment will follow thereof, then either the mandate or the requirement to publicize, is punishment, post ex facto. come on FAC, find a good attorney man who can make the connections the judge needs to see and with real danger criteria by individual, not paranoia being passed off as fact. wish i wasn’t so busy, damn.
If you weren’t so busy you would know we already have a good attorney fighting this fight and you would also know it’s “ex post facto”
Yeah to busy to fight for something wrong !!! Because your in Love with money, Not Justice!!! I wouldn’t hire you to walk my Dog. Nobody here is looking for sympathy we are looking for Constitutional Justice!!! 1989 I took a Plea Deal. A Public Defended Tricked me !!! 31 YEARS LATER, I’m Registered for Life in Florida. Trust ME this is NOT MAKING YOU SAFER… it’s the complete opposite. 👎🏻 Anybody threatening My life, I will use Deadly Force protecting Myself & Family!!!
If you are referring to the Supreme Court decision that Kennedy did not get right, please remember that was a different time period when attorneys and courts did not have the research that they do now. Look at how some lower court decisions now are already changing. We have a much better chance of winning now than we did back in the “days of ignorance”.
I can relate to the frustration. For a long time I was incredulous over the fact that cases were being won in other states but similar action was not to apparent in Florida. Then I got educated and started actually reading Florida cases. First of all we have a state Supreme Court that avoids all things sex offender and who seems to stuck in the 1950s. Go listen to a case they heard a few years ago about legalizing marijuana and you’ll know what I mean. They are conservative to the point of being uneducated. Also, they live and work in Tallahassee and having lived in Tally for several years it’s an entire world away from any of Florida’s big cities. They are simply living and socializing in a small, isolated hick Southern town which can’t help but affect their judgement on issues. Same with the FDLE and Dept. of Corrections who fight these cases and any criticism over the years has done nothing but embolden and strenghten their resolve in pursuing their conservative world view It seems State officials take almost take these lawsuits personally and it shows in the many crafty, sneaky ways they manipulate the courts draining the defendents resources by filing endless motions even before a judge hears a word. And this is all happening at the district federal level which are expensive cases to bring. So, the bar is high and though there has been a learning curve which lawyers have had to overcome regarding these cases in the past, that is no longer the case and I believe FAC has the best they can find fighting for us. Being a sex offender in Florida is no joke. There are laws, barriers, political issues and social mindsets that do not exist anywhere else. The sheer size and diverse population alone, makes defining and educating the public on this issue very, very difficult. We live in a state where laws come after public opinion and political rhettoric especially when the issue has to do with children and sex. Remember sir, we are home to practically all of the most notorious sex crime cases tried in the modern era starting with Ted Bundy in the early 70s. Don’t let the beaches and retirees fool you: this ain’t you’re average land of the free, home of the brave America – Florida is closer to that of a Police State. So as we’ve told many others, come on down and fight a case here – give it your best shot. More the merrier!
You ain’t kidding that Florida is a police state. I’ve never seen so many cops patrolling and even more than that – SIGNS EVERYWHERE that Police Take Notice. You don’t see such things in Manhattan! I don’t feel safe by seeing a Police Take Notice sign everywhere, I feel entrapped.
It’s like the cops down here are LOOKING for something to make a crime out of. They need to calm down.
A vast majority of us here (myself included) sent emails to that pastor when we ASSUMED he was the one who cancelled the wedding of a registered person. We were wrong. But this story is right here in front of our faces and NOT word of mouth. Why aren’t we sending emails to the hospital administrators?
Let them know that ANYONE can commit a sexual offense including male nurses (plenty of such cases exist).
Also, ask if they would also turn the man away if HE needed medical treatment.
Let’s not just sit this one out. You’re all in front of internet access – get to typing!!!
I just can’t comprehend how anyone can believe that someone who viewed CP is considered a maniac of some sort not even being fit to be in a hospital room with his own wife who was having a baby. This country is doing a poor job of publicizing and alerting the public as to the reality of a conviction for viewing (not producing) CP, even a very small amount. The punishment does not fit the crime for someone like this man. Does anyone believe he would be grabbing small children at the hospital and molesting them? Will he even be able to hold his child? Why is society hell bent on creating monsters out of those who made a mistake. A lifetime of punishment isn’t going to make anyone safer.
The funny thing about child pornography is that it could be images of teens that are 16 and 17 (the legal age in most states) but even though they can consent to relationships with an older person, it’s still illegal to photograph them naked. So when the media or LE says a person VIEWED child pornography, people are quick to assume “toddlers”.
Remember the porn star Traci Lords? She lied her way into the pot industry. She produced FAKE IDs for herself and guess who got busted …. the producers who did nothing but take her ID as her legitimate documents.
So unless the records indicate the age group of the person he viewed, we don’t know if it was a 17 yr old who may have been turning 18 the day after the production of the materials.
Now picture this possibility. Your child is in IC and could potentially die, but the hospital won’t let you see your child for possibly the last time in their life. Mmmmm definitely shows the character of the human race wouldn’t you agree?
If you prefer to read, rather than watch, this story:
https://www.wpxi.com/amp/news/investigates/sex-offenders-in-hospitals-sex-offender-removed-from-the-hospital-during-the-birth-of-his-child/1011221817
Thanks. I will use this to show how punitive the registry is.
It takes a google account to post a review at the hospital’s website: UPMC.com. Since most of us do not have one, a letter could be sent to:
UPMC Magee-Women’s Hospital
300 Halket Street
Pittsburg, PA 15213
Phone number: 866-696-2433
I hope the Twitter world is hearing about this.
@UPMC is the corporate Twitter handle.
OK, Bea Ware, something I said that I would NEVER do — I opened a twitter account. I went to @UPMC but I found nothing about the registrant not being allowed to be with this wife. Can you guide as to what I do next? I am lost.
Some people on Twitter have posted the article about this, including @DavidWPXI
Replying to his posting is one option, you can always cc @UPMC
The posting is now three days old, and one person replied, “ He made the choice to prey on children. It was his choice. With choices there are consequences. I hope the mother keeps him away from the child. Getting caught is not a “cure.”
For a less hostile environment, you will see that WomenAgainstRegistry posted a similar article just yesterday.
Thanks, Jacob. I tried cc@UPMC and got nowhere. I am Twitter illiterate. If I can ever find the time, I will look for a video on “Twitter for Dummies”.
I want the sites where the hostile people are, in hopes that I can soften them up a little. What I have been through these past 3 years, I do not think anyone can say anything that would offend me. I see these people as totally ignorant as far as registrants go, but they do not know that they are totally ignorant.
What a great approach— to engage those who are ignorant about registry but not ignorant in general. Which, come to think of it, describes most people.
Next time a fire starts on Twitter, I may post step-by-step instructions here. I should also come up with a list of some informative people to follow on this issue.
You can Tweet to them directly. Click on Tweet on your home page and then start your Tweet with @UPMC. At that point, write whatever message you want to send them. You could also put the link to the article & then add your message. You have a certain amount of space to get the message in so don’t make it too lengthy. It’s also ok to use 2 for to, B4 for before, etc. I would also include @DavidWPXI as Jacob suggested.
Ok, Jacob. I was able to do something with @DavidWPXI, but I cannot figure out how to send it.
They fortunate this man is a peaceful man. If this happened to a guy fed up with this kind of BS that has had enough…Timothy McVeigh all over again. Fortunately this man is peaceful.
Completely agree with you. I tried to respond with another comment to you before but it apparently was not PC enough. That is too bad because the time for being nice is over. These criminal regimes broke their Registry toy long ago. They must keep suffering the consequences they have been.
Only corrupt, criminal regimes have Registries. These regimes, and the immoral, anti-American boot lickers that support them, must be destroyed, along with their nanny big government Registries.
I would sue for the loss of enjoyment otherwise experienced witnessing the birth of my child and for emotional trauma cause to the birth mother by the forced absence of her husband and father of her child.
Only corrupt, criminal regimes have Registries. These regimes and their Nazi supporters must be destroyed, along with their nanny big government Registries.
What this story tells me is that this hospital doesn’t protect any of its patients or visitors at all. Because if they did, then this Registered Person would be no more of a risk than anyone else (of whom they have zero knowledge).
And just take a look at the pure, through and through, idiocy of this. The guy is Registered for looking at pictures. Yet this hospital welcomes with open arms people who have shot people with guns. Or done whatever, and that list is pretty endless. Pure idiocy and a sign that so many incompetent, dumb people have drank all of big government’s Kool-Aid, lies, and propaganda.
The hospital needs to be sued. If they take any public money at all, it should be stopped. For any of you who still think that people should give to charities or help them in any way, THIS is the type of stuff that you support.
So, why is everyone so terrified? Did they really think that Mr. Moore was going to commit a sex crime while on hospital property? What an irrational response to the presence of man coming to witness the birth of his own child! How ridiculous!
So basically, he was able to go in there and mind his own business BEFORE he told anyone his situation. ……
So theres my point. STOP OFFERING YOUR SITUATION TO OTHER PEOPLE! He could’ve been there the whole time had he not gone up and offered his information to security. They wouldn’t have had a clue. I get that he was on probation, but his PO didnt make him say anything. We as an RSO population are so skittish and paranoid about situations like this and I get it.
But my philosophy is, if you’re not on probation, and it’s not against the law for you to be there, like a school or something, keep your mouth shut! Its nobody’s damn business who you are or what you’ve done. We offer our personal info, way too easy these days. Social media is another example of this. Stop putting yourself and your information out there. Live your life, be confident. and keep your business to yourself.
But that’s just me. I’m finding out I’m one of the minority oddballs on here anyway when it comes to my opinion lol.
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
Agreed. The only pitfall is that many hospitals, schools, etc., ask for a drivers license before allowing admittance. So, if you live in a state where the government forces you to carry its message (scarlet letter) on your drivers license or if the facility runs the license against the database, staying silence may be a moot point.
True enough. But in most hospitals here in Jacksonville, FL, you can walk right in, go to whatever room you want, and no one asks you a thing…..
And here in FL, if you fall under the predator category, it’s in writing on your license. if you’re just an offender, just the statute number is displayed at the bottom. In which, only the astute observer would even know what that is. And its usually only the DMV people. So, I just dont worry about it most of the time. Like I said, the only ILLEGAL place for you to be, is really school property, unless your city/town has some dumb ordinance banning you from other places, which, a lot do. But if my presence is only violating some stupid I’ll advised corporate policy, then my approach is based on a popular movie starring Leo DiCaprio. Catch me if you Can. Its their responsibility to find out who I am. Not mine to just tell them.
I know this may sound crazy and a bit extreme but I can’t help but wonder, what if a woman were on the registry and in labor how this hospital act? Would they deny her the right to give birth at the hospital? Would they have police supervising her and keeping her from holding and breast feeding the baby postpartum? This entire case is gross and obscene, this is proof the registry divides families.
“ this is proof the registry divides families.”
This is proof that the legislatures don’t care about dividing families.
There are many hospitals implementing these idiotic, feel-good policies, and the government is all too happy to exacerbate the problem by forcing people to carry its message on drivers licenses, etc. America has returned to the Dark Ages and the era of Salem Witch trials. We have learned nothing from history and history is, in deed, repeating itself. With many politicians, celebrities and members of the media being actively involved in a global pedophilia ring and other sex scandals, it is these same people who are literally consumed with the sex lives of their fellow Americans. Ladies and gentlemen…Jeffrey Epstein did NOT kill himself.
Dear TE, that is one of the best posts I’ve read on this specific issue. Thanks for contributing.
Everyone assumes the label ” sex offender” means that someone on the registry is waiting in the weeds to abscound a child. Unless you are on registry or know someone on it you can never understand the effect it has on your every day life and statistics show chances of reoffending are extremely small. This makes me sick.
No, it’s gone way beyond that. People aren’t that stupid. This is about revenge, hate and punishment and anytime they can legally inflict it, they will. Remember we live in a country where not so long along it finally took a federal law before people were forced to take down the sign that said, “Whites Only.” We have a long way to go I’m afraid.