In the past few months, Florida Sheriff’s Offices are looking for low-hanging fruit by going after some very petty offenses. Volusia County issued a press release today announcing the arrest of “76 Volusia County Sex Offenders and Predators”, but when you dig into the details, you will find that very few – just a few – were arrested for a new sex offense. Most were for technical registration violations or some pretty petty crimes. One of the 76, for example, was charged with having a caged racoon.
According to a Sheriff’s office spokesperson, the operation (called “Operation Neptune”) was said to last three-months! That’s a lot of time! The U.S. Marshals Service and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement assisted in the operation. That’s a lot of resources!
What most stories don’t promote is that hundreds (representing more than 9/10ths) of the checks they did, were completely compliant.
A few months ago, in Polk County, “Operation Karma” yielded 26 arrests, most were for failure to register a co-habitant’s vehicle. A violation of a law that many arrested had no clue about. Sheriff Grady Judd told WFTV, “The big question I have is why are these people not reporting these cars or their online identities? They are apparently up to no good and we are going to hold them accountable.” It seems nobody was caught being “up to no good”, they were just trapped by some confusing registration requirements.
And here’s a worst and one that we intend to follow up on… Earlier this month, Steven Williams, a homeless registrant from Brevard County was arrested for eating breakfast at a Burger King – a benign act, but the Burger King was apparently within 1000 feet of a tennis court! If anyone has access to this individual, please contact [email protected].
Can someone knowledgable please explain exactly how offenders get arrested on these technicalities?
Do these individuals get caught doing something else first, and then the technicalities are added later?
I mean… if you are not under supervision… no officers will ever come into your home without you letting them in. Are the arrestees the dummies who let them? Same with talking to them.
Wait aren’t felony’s kinda based off violating 1 of the 10 commandments lmfao.
See front page lakeland ledger that’s why SO are being stalked cause they can’t fill the jail with pot smokers. Lifetime probable cause and no attorneys here fighting this thing only getting you deals and laughing at the truth of the matter our rights are violated
Gail, either this or your weekly update letter needs to be sent to every newspaper and TV station in the state.
We NEED VOLUNTEERS to help us with these projects. If it’s the same few people doing all this work there’s no way we can accomplish this.
How can I help?
Please contact [email protected] and let her know you would like to volunteer in our media committee.
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Not to sound odd but the newspapers do not want our side they want to hear what big mean scary predators that peek out the windows at the kids, we are. Sensationalism sells newspapers not the truth
What I meant to say is how do you get a fair trial when the jury knows your a convicted offender in these tech violations normally you wouldn’t take the stand so they wouldn’t know your past but in these cases which is say failed to disclose email as a SO your basically gonna be found guilty through biased opinion. With even the sheriff out to get you just think what the jury’s gonna do. This has to be a major flaw in the system and fines only like tickets if anything. Please discuss.
If a person required to register, used an unregistered email address to communicate with someone, then it may not matter how the sheriff or jury feel about it, since the legislature has already deemed it a felony.
I was giving an example but here’s another. If you take them say blink1982@ email and they put blink182 and you sign the paper you obviously were up to no good trying to manipulate the Sherriff right. If anyone on here thanks the SO task force is gonna here your excuse and not file charges you aren’t up to date. First offense is jail time or prison deal or goto trial and get 5. I used to think they weren’t after me as long as I did good and registered but I’ve looked again. 20 plus on this shit!
What is funny is if you chose to go to trial, the cost to the courts for a jury and other cost would be in the high thousands. I have seen cities and counties prosecute a red light ticket dispute that was worth $120 and they spend thousands to make sure you do not get out of it. If you win they have to have many more tickets to make up for what it cost them.
On the other hand my house was broken into and law enforcement refused to write a report saying there was nothing they could do. I called a Watch commander and soon after a report was being written and a crime scene tech came out.
Be polite but know your rights as a tax payer and who to ask for
Having just looked at Steven Williams’ arrest report, how would Deputy Ouellette know that Mr. Williams was having breakfast at this particular Burger King? He had to have been off probation by now and no longer wearing an ankle GPS, or am I wrong?
**on a more positive note, the judge terminated my probation yesterday, so now the real fun begins lol….
…and I would highly encourage everyone to move to North FL, especially the Jacksonville area. While its not perfect, we just dont seem to have these silly issues and compliance operations they have down south. The detectives here have bigger issues to worry about. Jax has exceeded its homicide total by a lot from 2018. I think we’ve had 70 homicides this year so far. Toss in all the drug problems we have here and worrying about RSO technicals is the last thing on their mind. It’s been bearable here so far. Fingers crossed and hands folded in prayer….
Depends on your lifestyle. Have children? Duval county wont let you decorate for Halloween, charges fees for registration, frisks you when you register, require you to register internet identifiers above and beyond what’s required by the State… While it might not be Polk County, it’s certainly not paradise either.
True enough. I’m single, and religious so I could care less about Halloween. But the stupid ordinance also includes Christmas which really, that ordinance needs to be challenged in court but it’s small potatoes compared to other issues that need to be fixed. And yeah all that other crap goes on but hey, the detectives don’t harass you or intimidate you when you go there. I literally get asked the usual questions with no grief given to me. Treated like a human being and out the door in no more than 10 minutes. What else can you ask for in our situation? And yes Sarah, I’ve heard good things about Clay as well. Nassau is the only one that’s ridiculous. They do 2500ft for every category and that includes busstops. Well a bus stop could literally be someone’s driveway in that rural cesspool they have up there. I wouldn’t wanna live there anyway. But Duval and Clay and St John’s too I think are more tolerable than most.
Don’t forget the 2,500 foot “predator” rule. Aside from that and the atrocious “Holdiay” ordinance, it’s not too bad, especially if you live east of the St. Johns river.
Yesterday’s paper said that Jacksonville has now hit 100 homicides this year. I wonder what would happen in Jacksonville if all of the resources used in the Volusia operation had been used to help stop all of the gun violence in Jacksonville that is killing so many innocent people, including children?
From what I am finding out on municode.com, Clay County is also a good county. Clay County, Orange Park, Green Cove Springs, and Keystone Heights all have no separate ordinances. They follow the state statutes only. (I forgot to check on Penney Farms.) That, of course, is always subject to change.
I was arrested last week at Jacksonville registration for technicals. I am an ex post facto SO so I’m hoping to delay until we can get the Supremes to rule.
There is nothing pending in the supremes.
How are you disposed to have an in biased jury on these violations I mean damn May as well take the stand right??
Funny how they got us they nab you and offer you a year for some dumb ass violation or goto trial and get 5 years this is crazy.
How do they catch people on these technicalities?
Ive been off probation for many years. They visit twice per year (like clockwork) just to look at my ID and leave. I re-register twice per year and all it is, is “do you have any updates?” Granted, I am probably one of their “best” SO’s – if that is even a thing – because of where I live, my appearance, etc. My probation officer said it from day 1.
Unless you’re communicating with an officer, how do they know you have an email or social account not registered? Or family members who refuse to have their cars registered?
Do people get caught by talking too much? Doing something stupid? Or are they spying on us, viewing our internet records, etc.?
Offense 23 years ago federal in ny no time probation completed 17 years ago. Level 1 not on nys site Made mistake of coming to fl. On for life. Local pd comes by every month or sometimes not. They harass ask for id when im
Not there they torment my wife into signing something. Dont understand im always in sheriffs office every month as i always travel to my out of state address. Always updating. I just dont get what else they want from me. No state res restrictions as per printout from sheriff office: no special circumstances (no minors under 16 etc) no possession no viewing no creating : interstate transport of a single image. Proven image wasnt mine but i allowed it to be transported (1996 internet was a different thing)
Arrested for failure to register but the charges went to no info: essentially nothing filed. Not just dropped totally not filed as i had the proof of no intent.
What else can they possibly want from me?
I gave back so much during those years and was productive and succesful. It NEVER stopped me even didnt show on bg checks. Still doesnt but my florida registry does. How is that even fair? Take a productive member of society and just turn them into a big nothing with a family to support somehow?
Dude read “Rule of Lenity” I’ve beat one post conviction with it.
Is this what you are referring to?
http://leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0775/Sections/0775.021.html
According to Wikipedia, it is Floriduh’s codification of “The Rule.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_lenity
The answer is YES they are spying on you, in a sense. If you have a facebook account, twitter, etc etc they have an internet task force that trolls these sites. Not sure if the sites are cooperating with them or what.
Additionally when you pay your property taxes, get a new drivers license etc, they will often ask for an email address . If you have ever gotten a ticket, applied for a county permit IE: Had any work done at your home that required a building permit ( They will have your email address )
Beyond that I do not know
I am interested in this same question because they never enter my home during the checks . how did 79 people get arrested? were they on probation and the probation officer told on them or maybe a disgruntled roommate or family member?
so the Shethead thinks these reg. laws are probation what an astwhole!!!
“We have a registration system for a reason,” Sheriff Mike Chitwood said. “We need to know where sex offenders and predators are living in our community, what vehicles they drive, and whether they’re complying with the conditions of their release. That’s part of our responsibility to protect Volusia County, and registered offenders and predators should know that we’ll be coming around again in the future.”
I see that an individual below was arrested for, among other things,
failure to register an account that he did not access and did not use to communicate with anyone, and
failure to correct an FDLE error identifying a vehicle he was never associated with and never registered.
If that is accurate, then he needs to contact [email protected] ASAP for a referral.
As a non-lawyer, I am aware of nothing in the law that exposes one to legal liability for such things.
(There was also a third item regarding a supposed employer or volunteer position, but there was so much content there, my little mind couldn’t follow it).
Please Look up Lake County’s Arrest Reports, I was just recently Arrested, on 3 Charges, YES all 3 were “Technicalities”
(1) Operating a Business and Not Reporting it.
Me and two Other Parents Started a Training Club for Our Kids, Outside, We then had other Parents from our Church wanting their Kids to train with Our Kids, We ended up with A Bunch oh Homeschooled Kids that wanted to learn how to play sports better. So we decided to Created a Christian Name, We came up with “Genesis 360 Sports Club” and to make sure No One Stole our Name, We Registered it with the State, under Fictitious Names. We NEVER opened a Business Account, NEVER Made a cent off the Club, Our Mission was to take average kids and Make them good enough to try out and Make their School teams.. After a Year of training kids outside, we found a Gym, and Because we had to pay rent to use the Gym, we asked Parents to pay 45 Dollars per family, NOT Child, just so we had help paying for the Gym… We NEVER had enough parents Paying, but we still allowed their kids to train….. We even tried holding a Basketball league, because a lot of Homeschool parents asked us to…It didn’t’ work, because not enough kids signed up to have enough teams to compete, so instead we just trained the ones that wanted to get better. And we still train them today… Parents are aware of my past record, which is 23 years old, I’ve never re-offended, just a few technicalities. 1st Being when my wife and I seperated, I was sleeping in the Driveway of the home we stayed in with her parents, he mother decided to go down to the LCSO and report that I wasn’t living in the home and to remove her address from their Database since I wasn’t living in the house anymore. And when she told me her mother went down there, I went to tell them I was living in the Driveway, they Arrested me on the Spot, this was 13 years ago, now fast forward to today, another arrest and these 3 charges, again Technicalities…. Imagine that…..an offender Making a difference in the community, and they care NOTHING about that, these same kids we mentor with Christian values and motivate to be better humans mean nothing to them, these future “Non- Arrests” we train and motivate mean NOTHING!. Just keep trying to Lock up “The Offender” it looks good on someones Resume.
(2) Not Reporting my Family Facebook Page:
I was under the impression they meant Web Pages I operated, not family social media pages, and ot Sports Facebook page is managed by a few of the Parents, I do comment on there….SO I guess that’s wrong.
(3) Not Having My Car Registered: On FDLE Site, The Car in Question is Clearly on there 2009 BMW Silver/Aluminum
MY Wifes Car isn’t even on there 2004 Subaru Outback. Which is on the Lake County Sheriff’s Database when I register each year.
But FDLE Page, Instead shows a Green 1995 Honda, I’ve NEVER Owned, and that car I never Owned has no Plate associated with it?
Why have they NEVER looked into this car? They’ve NEVER seen this Green Honda at my HOUSE, and they’ve NEVER asked about it? esp. since it has NO TAG listed on their Web Site???
How did they find out about all that? Arrested for having a car on there thats not yours? A “business” thats not a job?
You can request this removed I know you need someone to talk to but no matter how good of person you are they are gonna get something from you and the less you say the better. I’m saying this cause I raised kids years ago on it and couldn’t imagine something like this popping up in my life then raising kids the debt I was in the lives I was in charge of I lived a normal life but these days are a lot harder man keep your head up!
Chuvalo Mason,
AT THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT and you already been convicted of some type of sex crime as soon as the enforcers get a slight scent of someone with your history is hanging out with kids, bonding with kids, etc… they will come after you with everything they have! you do have hope if you take it all to trial and can get church pastor and 10-20 others from church to testify on your behalf as Lake County loves the church. trust me; I know of a pastor that was on trial for a bunch of sex crimes and 3/4 of the Jury did not want to convict because a man of God could not do those things a few years later he was arrested again and took a plea.
BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER THEN TO PUT YOURSELF IN THAT POSITION!
I have a rental property and I will never go there alone. let alone be surrounded by kids. all it takes is one accuser and your goose is cooked for life! Don’t matter if your original offence was 50 years ago!
This is called statistics based policing. They run these operations to build stats, which in turn justify their budgets. It has absolutely nothing to do with justice.
So sadden by the ignorance of this registry. I say to myself what other place could we go, A so called happy place you can call home. -USA – where there is no Sorna registry. A place where people are nice and call you by your first name and not treat you like a second class citizen. A place where you don’t have to be escorted by the local sheriff office because you decided to go to your daughters first day of school….
I don’t find any specific ordinance for registered citizens in Volusia County, but there’s a 2,500 footer for the city of Daytona Beach:
https://library.municode.com/fl/daytona_beach/ordinances/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=798197
Thank you, Cherokee Jack and Jacob. You have helped to lift my spirits today.
Mike, I am praying for you and your family. We are told that God can do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, and that is what I am asking for you and your family.
I am terrified all the time because if things like this. I’ve been out since 2010, off probation since 2013. Married, have a step son and a new baby. Went to college, graduated. Started a business. I struggle so hard to build a life for my family. But these sheriff’s that like to get on camera and makes themselves look mighty scare me. I would move to another state, but where? I’ve researched laws, some states I couldn’t even live with my own kids. So I feel as though I can’t win either way. The stress is o overwhelming days like today. I just hope I didn’t before they trap me and send me back.
This really gets me angry ! And whats it up with these lame names for the operations ? Operation Neptune ? How about I start operation Uranus where I can come and stick it to you ! Idiots! They have nothing better to do then to harass citizens who have paid their debt and trying their hardest to get their life together.
Sheriff’s unlike police chiefs could lose their jobs every 4 years when elections role around. They want to look tough on crime no matter who gets hurt in the fray
Just saw the story again and out of the 1000 offenders they checked on, 76 were arrested. Less than 10%. There were many they could not get a hold of so they said more arrests could be coming.
Great Idea! Any freelance journalists out there who could perform a “First Amendment” check on public right-of-way at the SO and film the event for an article you may be writing for some entity? Youtube if full of “First Amendment” checks with videos that show how much law enforcement doesn’t like them even though you are not committing any violations of the law or giving any cause for detention ie. Terry Stop. Although they try to threaten and bogart you into giving them ID, you don’t have to, in fact you don’t even have to talk to them. I’ll bet Grady Judd would blow a gasket if someone exercised their constitutional rights at his castle. How about some suggestions for the article’s title?
“Grady Judd pulls the plug on Constitutional Rights”
“Grady Judd up to something during First Amendment Check”
“Grady Judd, passionate persecutor or closet victim?”
How about grady judd shady perpetrator?
” a homeless registrant from Brevard County was arrested for eating breakfast at a Burger King – a benign act, but the Burger King was apparently within 1000 feet of a tennis court! ”
What the hell ?? I’m confused. You can’t be near Tennis courts ? Don’t tell me kids go to tennis courts because I have seen more kids at Burger kings or Mcdonalds then some Tennis courts – which are mostly occupied by adults.
Correct – Brevard has a 1000 foot proximity ordinance.
Does the Brevard ordinance specifically list tennis courts? Or have they tried to put it under the umbrella of a playground or park?
Brevard County Ordinance
https://library.municode.com/fl/brevard_county/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=PTIICOOR_CH74OFMIPR_ARTVISEOFSEPR
Thank you, JZ. It only lists parks and playgrounds, so if I had to pick one, I would put a tennis court under playground. But that is simply trying to make an educated guess, and that interpretation is far too vague. I know that the individual involved does not have the money to bring a lawsuit against the vagueness of the ordinance, but from everything that I have been reading, courts are striking down these ordinances that are so vague. The county attorneys are telling the local governments they will not win in court with such vague ordinances. I am waiting to see a county such as Brevard find a bench at a city bus stop, plant a tree by it, and call it a park.
An outdoor tennis court is a playground, while an outdoor tennis court is not, according to the Brevard law, definitions sections. The good news is that for the part of Florida you’re looking at, I am unaware of any banishment laws that are nearly as broad and as sweeping as the one in Brevard that can get one arrested for dining at the wrong Burger King. Stay out of Seminole and Brevard!
Ridiculous. You basically can’t leave the house to go anywhere. Even for a basic necessity like eating. You are always going to be within 1000 feet from something. I have never been to Brevard, but I imagine the Sheriffs department where they have to register is 1000 feet within a red zone as well. This is plain stupid.
Has FAC or anyone challenged any of these proximity ordinances in court?
Yes – it was challenged in Seminole county and was doing well, but the plaintiffs dropped out when they could not remain anonymous
That is such a shame. !!! Anyone on the Registry should be able to remain anonymous if they feel better about fighting the fight. They are on a Registry and folks all over the US can look them up, so actually they will never be anonymous. If they were to form a group of people under a group name, would that be something that could keep individuals names anonymous, Please don’t give up on the fight in Seminole County.
Is there any guideline on what we are obligated to do and not on these local pd visits? Ive gotten everything from ok thanks to where is he? Why isnt he home? He needs to be home when we are here….. mind you i am not on any probation or comm control or anything. They look at my children and they just treat my wife like shes hiding something meanwhile the three times its happened i was at my inlaws helping or at walmart shopping. I call the dispatch and have them write a note on the encounter that i called them and inget nothing. They tell my wife i need to call the pd yet no number no card and incall them and nothing. They say i need to contact my detective yet ive never had any contact with anyone there except those officers that have done that weird check. Never gotten an fdle notice for an address verification but as i said im always updating travel at sheriff every month. What powers do they have? Its never the sheriff its the local pd that harasses us. What do i really legally need to show them? Why can they come onto my home in the first place?
If you are not on probation, all that is required is to show them your ID and be polite. There is no obligation to answer any questions.
DO NOT let police in your home without a warrant.
There is no obligation for you to be home when they come, nor is there any obligation to tell them where you are.
Jm raises a good question. He states that this isn’t the Sheriff doing these checks but the local PD.
Do they have any type of authority whatsoever to conduct any type of check? Better stated, does a registered citizen need to comply with a local pd as they would with a Sheriff?
Until today I have never thought about that as I have never encountered it. I should think you don’t even need to answer the door if they knock… you don’t btw.
When I lived in the city limits, the local police came by and did the checks to verify your address instead of the sheriff’s department. If they make several attempts to verify and cannot because you either are not home or not cooperating with them, they will report this to the Florida Department of Law enforcement as no verified address. If you are not on probation and they are coming by more than twice a year, you can file a grievance. Offenders are checked twice a year if not on probation but predators they check on once a month even if not on probation ( at least in the county I live in ).
Im an offender: pd by all the time. Not on probation or anything.
Why would you call yourself an offender? Don’t use their language of war. When people adopt their language, that signals that it is legitimate. None of it is.
You are just a person who is listed on an immoral, illegal, anti-American big government hit list. That’s it. What do you want to call yourself? A Registered Person? A Person Registered for Harassment, Restrictions, and Punishment? That is the one I like.
F LE enforcement. Never allow them to speak to you. There is no need.
Who would take a grievance? Would anyone even care or would i just be opening up my family to more harassment? The fed govt thought it good to help me and give me these non invasive sentence yet some sheriff and backwards state decides to make my life miserable..
I and my wife have literally been threatened with warrants and arrest if i m not at hone. They make her sign some papers even though i report my travel to the sheriff as indicated but they apparently dont speak to each other. This past time they had some older version of the printout but thank goodness i jad just gone to the vcso and updated my travel and left a copy for her to have. I think this is irresponsible practice if our lives literally depend on it.
She should NEVER sign anything they give her.
Shes shaken and its always the same threat. She NEEDS to sign this or they come back with a warrant. Or threaten to speak to the neighbors with the flyer to ask if i really live there. Shes a wreck after each time. Its only happened three or four times in the past 3 years and two of those times within the past 3 months but thats enough.
The accusation is that shes hiding something. Then that turn into a horrible conversation and weeks of her anxiety that theybwill take our children away. I dont even have a residency restriction!!!
Do you have a copy of what she has signed?
A Registered Person’s spouse or other family members should never, ever speak to law enforcement. Do not allow those criminals to get near your family.
What do you do though, when your husband has dementia and can get confused? He needs me as his spokesperson and protector.
Its an affidavit stating that i am a resident of that address and do actually hold residence there. They say they cannot give us a copy. If wed like we can take it up with someone at the station. Its my pic and info on a cutout stapled to some form of paperwork. Its the same paper they make me sign stating that its me on the paper and that i live there. Im told im
Bound to sign but ive never been under any supervision or control in florida: im federal out of state so ive never dealt with absolutely anyone here and if i do t sign then they need to verify via knocking on neighbors and if noone corroborates they escalate.
The threat is they will go to the neighbors and show them the flyer and ask if i live there. The assertion is that shes hiding something. Id love it if they only came twice a year since im always at the sheriffs office every mo th for travel updates which they tell me inconsistant policy as well. No consistancy on the three day thing. More nerves and fear. Id go away for 4 just to avoid the confusion….. pretty sad.
SarahF, you are absolutely right that your husband needs you as his protector and spokesperson, since the law, among its many problems, does NOT make exceptions for dementia! Among other things, he will need your assistance conducting his registration.
That being said, you are NOT obligated to speak to police if they come to your door to do a check. Innocent attempts to explain things away surprise questions could prove counter-productive! I’d be surprised if they threaten you, but in the event they do, you may be better off saying nothing and call a lawyer. Because for certain situations, THAT will be his spokesperson. It’s reasonable, though, to summon him in order to show them his face and ID, so they can verify he lives where he says he does.
(I tried replying directly to your comment. FAC wouldn’t let me. Prolly too deep in the thread).
I could not respond to SarahF either so I’ll respond to both of you here. 🙂
SarahF, it is great that you are protective of your husband and so helpful. I agree with Jacob that someone absolutely needs to help any person who has dementia or anything similar because these criminal regimes do not give a flip if there is anything wrong with your husband, you, or any of your family. They would be happy if you were all dead. I’m sorry if that is harsh, but these criminal regimes and the “people” working in them, are scumbags.
But I disagree a bit with Jacob. I would not allow law enforcement (LE) onto my property at all. I certainly would not answer the door for them or speak to them. It is a very well known fact that a person should ALWAYS attempt to never speak to LE. LE is always looking to harm someone. A person could be discussing Registration and think they are just having a simple, friendly conversation, but LE is looking for ways to arrest someone. They absolutely will attempt to distort and twist ANYTHING that you say into a crime or at the very least, something to harm your credibility.
There really are just no good reasons for people to talk LE. ESPECIALLY people who are listed on the hit list. Never speak to them and only give them the absolute MINIMUM amount of information, IN WRITING, that you are forced by law to give (at the point of a gun, of course). You don’t have to look very hard to find thousands of legal cases where people were innocent and conversations with LE got them arrested and convicted! Flipping shocking.
People who are Registered need to put a stop to LE thinking they can ever speak to them. A clear message needs to be sent that Registries are not acceptable and no one is going to help the scumbags implement them.
My message to LE is – stay off of my property, stay away from my family, and go F yourselves.
This… is completely out of bounds as you are under ZERO obligation to be home during a address verification. This is sounding more and more like intentional harassment in order to make you want to move away from that area.
Rest assured, you CANNOT be lawfully arrested if you are not home during one of these checks. Search warrant? Zero probable cause for such.
Ive got nothing to base any consistancy on: sheriffs dept says im good but the local pd says im not for some insane reason since in not always home. We fear going out and not having anyone home but we dont know whats worse: one being there and me not or noone there and they go around the neighborhood to verify.
Tell them to go F themselves.
And people need to get over the “neighbors”. F them too. If they are dipsh*t, immoral, helpless anti-Americans who loves Registries, then make law enforcement (LE) go talk to them. Let them “verify” things. I promise you in the long run, that is so much better. Never all LE to get near you and you never need to worry about speaking with them. There is NOTHING good that would ever come from you speaking with them and you never should.
Why is a person required to do anything? In most places in the U.S., Registered People don’t ever have to allow law enforcement on their property or near them. Seems as if Floriduh law enforcement is constantly operating outside of the law and they need to be controlled. People should never assist law enforcement. Not for any reason.
I hate to say it but, all this foolishness may be a blessing in disguise. Eventually a judge somewhere is going to see that law enforcement and law makers are not happy that we are not violating and going back to prison so to get us off the streets they make up new ordinances ( Not laws ) that surpass the law to make it so hard for us we either mess up, give up or move away. Maybe a judge that believes in applying the law based on the constitution and not their feelings and see we are just people with families trying to rebuild our lives but are never fully allowed to without looking over our shoulders
I would like to see the stats on the number of people who actually kidnapped a kid from a playground. Those are put all over the news when they happen but most are not stranger danger but most accusers are from people that know each other.
It has NEVER happened – unless you count parents in custody battles with their spouse. Someone that the kid knows or the family knows – the other parent!
It is yet another urban myth perpetuated by useless POLITICIANS such as professional victim Senator Lauren Book and her endless rhetoric of BS!
Time to STOP the lies – this BullSH^T has gone on TOO LONG!
Hope it is ok to post this. Here is the news story and video of the story
https://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20190812/76-volusia-sex-offenders-and-predators-charged-by-sheriffs-deputies
I hear the bitterness in the posts written by many of the FAC members at this website. For me in life, my glass has always been half full, not half empty. God has a solution for every problem.
I am reading this article about the petty offenses SORs are being arrested for and all the man power put into these operations, while I no longer feel safe going anywhere in Jacksonville anymore because of all the REAL crime there (muggings, murders, carjackings, etc.), and I suddenly get a call from my husband’s Release Officer. She introduced herself and was a very nice lady, but this is what she informed me of:
My husband and I had been looking forward to his release date when we could make a stop on our 2-hour and 40-minute drive home so that he could have one of his favorite meals at a Sonny’s Barbecue Restaurant. I was told that it would not be a good idea for us to stop anywhere. He would be wearing an ankle monitor and would be closely monitored on his way home.
I then asked if that meant he could not even stop for a restroom break. There was a long silence at the other end of the phone. I could tell that the lady had compassion for our situation, but that she had no authority to give me permission to do anything. When she did not reply, I told her that he is elderly, has some physical issues, and there is no way that he can make the long drive home without a bathroom stop. The best she could do is let probation know ahead of time about my concerns. She then told me that on his release date, I would be given the phone number of his probation officer, and I should call before leaving the prison and see what the officer had to say about our stopping for a restroom break.
I am starting to feel the bitterness that so many of you express in your posts, but still look for God’s solutions in all of this.
Sarah Prayers for you and your husband. It will be a rough road but you can get through it. You just have to second guess everything you do.
Stay strong, and please try not to give into bitterness. It won’t do you any good.
I’d be a little surprised if the PO said, don’t go to the restroom. More likely, they might say, make sure it isn’t this type of place or that type of place, and don’t loiter, otherwise OK. At worst, they just won’t reply with an answer.
It’s ironic that some people are more fearful of release than they are of incarceration, for reasons just like this. But that feeling should go away rather quickly as things normalize, you get to know the PO, and your husband gets some practice complying with his conditions in the real world. Then you will begin to appreciate how much more freedom he has, compared to when he was incarcerated.
KEEP in MIND guys and gals if you are NOT on probation, you do not have to let ANY officer or Deputies in your house unless you are on probation or they have a legit warrant. My Deputy just wants to make sure I really live where I say I do then tells me to make sure to register and goes away until next time.
Amen to that Cherokee Jack, I screen my phone calls and don’t answer the door when there is a knock. I have petty good landlord who installed a peep hole in my front door.. He asked me why I never answer the door so he can come in fix my toilet from stop running. I told him cops have a policy “knock and talk” I am not some 19 year old kid who don’t know the law now! He laugh came back with drill and install the peep hole for me!
I hope they had the SWAT team out for the caged racoon. This story and the resources that were wasted boggles the mind. How many people not on the registry are actually arrested for failing to have a valid driver’s license or current license on their vehicle? How many drive without insurance? How many are not here legally? While the Big Guns are out trying to round up racoon rustlers and the likes, how much real crime is not pursued? Taxpayers need to revolt too. Frankly, I don’t know how anyone on the registry can live peacefully in Florida.
Family, financial, employment ties some people to Florida. Others have no idea where to move to.
There are so many factors keeping some tied down.
But can you imagine if every single registered citizen moved out of the state of Florida at the same time? How long do you think it would take for the list to fill back up again?
This is madness, fear, and propaganda. We are at the (lack of) mercy of our modern day politicians and legislators.
Unfortunately this is not centered in Florida much less the south, this is also our United States government at work here. Do not forget that.
The root of this lies at the federal government.
I don’t know what I’m trying to get at here other than reminding you that issues like these are much larger than locally elected ego’s.
I usually try to stick with facts in these posts and end with something positive to take away. It’s hard not to be frustrated. I think this might help:
Appearances are everything. They feed opinion and belief.
It works for those elected into any office. Make it work for you too.
I wouldn’t put a lot of blame on the criminal federal government. There are PLENTY of stupid local people all over the country. Big government people at all levels love Registries.
I agree with you about appearances. Every Registered Person and Familiy in the country needs to stop allowing law enforcement to get near them. If a person is not on probation or parole, he/she should not allow LE to “visit” them anywhere. Not even just to say “hello, yes I live here.” A person should certainly never sign anything at home or work.
All ~1 million people who are Registered in the U.S. need to stop giving ANY appearance that anything about the Registries is acceptable or legitimate. Allow these criminal regimes to visit you gives them power. Take it away. They are criminals that need to be controlled and corrected.
Was just coming on here to tell FAC about this but glad I looked first to see if you were on top of it, and you are.
I said in a previous post I knew this was coming. The sheriff’s office told me last time when I registered they were dotting their I’s and crossing their T’s with registered offenders and a ” Zero tolerance ” policy was now in effect. AND I am not even in Volusia. I was told that drug testing and polygraphs may be next. Now tell me that is NOT punitive. When I asked for that in writing so I could show it to my attorney, they said “Soon”.
They will not be administering drug tests or polygraphs on people not on probation.
I was not trying to spread rumors, just telling you what we were told after they started finger printing all of us every time now and we complained .They said it is to verify we are who we say we are and someone else is not registering for us. They then said wait until the polygraphs and drug testing starts.
I thought the polygraph statement odd because in my 7 years on probation not once was I asked to take a polygraph. I did get drug tested every time even though I had never used a drug in my life and always came up clean.
Thanks FAC for always looking out for us
A disgusting waste of resources.
How many of those wasted resources could have been spent to prevent shootings and violence?
Shameful.
Perfect assessment. Stupid people doing stupid things. Just something to give them jobs.
The whole “Registering everyone that lives at you’re address” thing is COMPLETELY ILLEGAL AND WRONG !! My soon to be wife HATES IT !! She was pulled over for a tail light out, And of course, The Deputy ran the tag number and seen that I was on the “List” !! And IMMEDIATELY started giving her serious Attitude !! At first she didn’t know why, But realized it when the Deputy asked where I was !!!. She than Told him that it was NONE OF HIS BUSINESS ! And that either he write her a ticket or let her go !! Ohh she also told him that she was gonna make sure to follow up on why he was treating her so bad, Just because I FOLLOWED THE “ILLEGAL” LAW !! And made sure he understood that I NEVER drive her Vehicle !! That we own 11 Vehicles and always take one on “Mine” when we go somewhere together !!. He did release her WITHOUT a ticket, And she hasn’t had anymore issues, BUT she’s waiting and expecting it Everytime she drives !!. It’s NONE OF ANYONE’S BUSINESS who lives at my house, Or drives a vehicle at my house !! We should only be “Required” to give OUR PERSONAL Vehicle info, IF we have to give ANY !!!!. My fiance, Kids, Friends, Or Parents are NOT on the “List” and shouldn’t have to give their info to ANYONE ! Even if they live or Store their vehicles at my address !!. The “Registery” is a JOKE, And is a HUGE waste of money and time !! It doesn’t stop ANYONE from commiting another “Crime” IF I wanted too !¡.
Sheriff Grady Judd told WFTV, “The big question I have is why are these people not reporting these cars or their online identities? They are apparently up to no good and we are going to hold them accountable.”
It’s attitudes like his that keep fueling the fire for keeping registrants under the thumb of law enforcement and the citizen’s approval for it. I just wished someone would have asked him in the same interview how many arrested were up to no good and what “no good” were they up to.
This is why I’m leaving Florida. I’ve been on this thing 20 years there is no way I will not get a tec sooner or later by mistake and they aren’t taking I don’t know and sorry they are handing out prison time cause the points follow you and they don’t care. You easily could get more time than before depending on your deal for like not registering a email, work place, sticker on your ID, being gone 4 days, not telling them correct eye color putting out halloween stuff. Those are things I never agreed to taking a deal and things that in itself hurt no one. I mean you have to play along or goto jail but sooner or later they’ll get you and at best your really elderly and cheaper to give probation but from what I hear they aren’t coming off violating your rights and sending you to a very dangerous place for not registering your kids cars that’s away in college your making payments on they don’t care!
Crazy. 18 yrs no problems and boom. Report work address and passport in person, something is done incorrectly. Next annual notice, officer asked for passport. They can’t find it.
I re-enter it online using a mobile device and I assume an unsupported browser. It appears it takes and dissapears again.
I did something 4x before I was arrested for someone else’s mistakes. Did 30 days Jail and 6 mo probation.
I was told to never use mobile on the fdle site afterwards. You can’t correct the officers when they enter things or do things incorrectly. There is no trail of evidence of when something is accessed,changed or deleted (timestamp)
There is nothing stopping a person with access to this archaic system to alter, delete etc. For purposes of malice or lack of training.
There are zero instructions for browser compatibility, best practices or steps within the framework for best practices and successful user operation.
When I plead to the state in 2002, I was 22 yrs old. There was only a handful of requirements. I was promised I could apply to have myself removed after 10yrs. There are now more laws than I can count and they are ever-changing. They all have punishments that exceed my original sentence 18 yrs ago. There is way too much power in these laws as they always hold the Registered accountable. All laws of strict liability.
I can personally attest to that. I had reported travel for two trips weeks ahead of time. I reported a new trailer the following week: the travel WAS NOT THERE. I went the next day (day before travel for two months) with the original and the current. The person said i did NOT report the travel and was getting belligerent that i did not follow the 48 hour procedure and i showed them the previous note WITH the travel. Her response is that i need to make sure its correct. They DONT CARE they literally DONT CARE that I am doing what they say i need to do or that im in that damn office every month just for travel notification. some tell me the travel is three days i dont need to report if im
Back the night of the third day and others say i need to. There is no consistency in the vcso
I’ve had job addresses disappear. Internet identifiers disappear or move to other parts of report. I’ve had printouts with incorreft info that officers tell me it’s just tabs.
It’s literally the wild west. You piss them off and they can erase and ruin your life.