The Fulton County YMCA, in Johnstown, New York was just hit with a $10,000,000.00 lawsuit. A 19 year old former employee was charged with raping an underage girl in the locker room
In Wichita, Kansas a 31 year old former employee allegedly sexually assaulted three teenage girls this month. The same Y had another instance of sexual assault last year.
The YMCA recently enacted a policy barring all persons required to register as sexual offenders from their facilities and revoking the membership of many long-time members after discovering a sexual offense in their history. They do sex offender screenings of all members, guests and employees.
So how has that policy worked out for them? Obviously not very good… neither of the alleged offenders at these Ys were on the registry.
It’s NOT people on the registry committing sex offenses!
Another door closes on some one who has been recently released and wants nothing more than to get themself on the right track and not creating more victims. I think that thenwarnon sex offenders is cheap and easy political gold. All a politican has to say is that they will crack down on sex offenders and their approval shoots up. There needs to be local organizations that focuses on helping people on the registry find housing, work, and social events so that they dont feel isolated from the world.
Virgin Mary @ time of conception of Jesus: 12-14 years old.
Joeseph @ time of marriage to Mary: 90 years old.
Good thing the bible doesnt talk about him much…lol
I was a member of the YMCA here in Texas, one day they call me in and tell we are no longer welcome. they said it was their insurance requiring them to ban us, not them. they would not insure them if they allowed us on property. we have never been back…….
we joined another gym, better facility all around, never a problem, been there 10 years.
Yep, they will eventually devour themselves just like every other establishment like Facebook for example who thinks they are too big to fail.
When you persecute a large part of the population (S.O.’s and ALL the people who know and love them) then your insurance dictating your business practice wont be an issue. You just wont have a business.
Actually it already is to a point probation says we’re not allowed to go to a fast food place that has a playground except thru the dive thru.and can’t park in the parking lot to eat.
Let me see if I get this correctly: If one is on the registry one does not get into trouble because of the registry. If one is not on the registry that person is a good, respectable, upright individual and not a threat to the public. If that is the case, why are sexual offenses still happening? Wait a minute, 95% of the assaults are by someone not on the registry. If I ran the YMCA I would only permit those on the registry to join since the threat comes from those not on the registry. Crazy! Now I’m starting to think like a politician.
“So how has that policy worked out for them? Obviously not very good… neither of the alleged offenders at these Ys were on the registry.
It’s NOT people on the registry committing sex offenses!”
Be careful as the doo doos who be will twist your words and say “Correct, that means the registry works ”
I have been to court many times on appeals and each time the prosecutor will say “Yes you have stayed out of trouble because your are on the registry, if we let you off there is not guarantee you will stay out of trouble”.
95% of sex crimes are perpetrated by those with no prior sex offense conviction.
That was the case before there were registries. Statistically, the introduction of public registries did not change that fact.
So don’t let anyone get away with that version of “registries work.”
And that prosecutor is has veracity problems: if you have been convicted in the past, law enforcement (“LE”) has your photo, fingerprints, DNA, etc. The shame list is unnecessary – if one commits another offense, LE already has everything they need to find and identify you – no Registry required!
Flaw to that logic is that their instances have increased or stayed the same after their draconian unconstitutional hit job.
I wonder, do they let sexual deviants like homosexuals and transvestites in there? Hmmmmm.
“Sexual deviants like homosexuals and transvestites” strikes me as language so retrograde that I’m hoping it was meant facetiously!
After all, sexual offending has little to nothing to do worth deviance. It is all about perpetrating sexual harm.
It’s true that LGBTQ individuals statistically are more susceptible to sexual violence. There are also, I assume, LGBTQ individuals reading this forum who might not know what to make of language like that.
But I agree, I’m not at all surprised that their exclusion policy has resulted in no apparent change in incidents.
It’s NOT people on the registry committing sex offenses!
It’s NOT people on the registry committing sex offenses!
It’s NOT people on the registry committing sex offenses!
It’s NOT people on the registry committing sex offenses!
It’s NOT people on the registry committing sex offenses!
That’s five times.
If I copied and pasted that one hundred times I would only be wrong up to five.
95% of all sexual assault’s are done by those not on the registry.
I’d be interested to see how many of those 5% are just failure to register “violations” or young lovers still in love getting back together.
Heck, I bet they consider violating probation a “sexual assault” or looking at someone sideways just because you are on the registry.
I bet the % of actual recidivism is much less.
Michael A Pierce i agree with you and the way you said it .
They allowed the Village People to hang out there but we cannot? That is not fair at all 🙂
Cherokee Jack;
In another lifetime society confused sexual orientation with sexual deviancy.
Please let us not revisit that little shop of horrors.
Was a joke , that is why I put a smile at the end. I was being sarcastic. Like I said, I realize they want to protect kids but so many places are banning us that it is like we are back behind bars. I got attacked by a nurse while in the emergency room because I was on the registry. Luckily I fought back. When I filed a police report, nothing was done NOTHING.
Ah yes, banishment from the “Y.” Just another of the “unintended” or collateral consequences of being on the registry like being barred from public housing, military installations, cruise ships, Facebook……
The list goes on ad nausem. Being on the registry affects every facet of our lives. How long before we will be unable to leave our domiciles or do commerce of any kind?
I volunteered at my local Humane Society for 10 years. Then they banned Registrants from volunteeting. Sad….I used to work with the biggest, scariest dogs. Now no one wants to work with them, so they are often euthanized for no reason. 😫
(Ten years and not a single dog ever claimed I was inappropriate. I joke to hide the sadness, but I think you get my point.) 🙁
Although I feel for you, I also see their point. If children come to look at dogs and something were to happen because there was a volunteer there who has a previous offense, the place could be sued out of their pants. Although a shame, I can see their point. I use to volunteer at a Christian Charity and after 5 years of my free time there, someone complained that I should not be there and they didn’t even tell me I was banned, they just quit calling me for fill ins. I had to ask another volunteer to get any answers.
Unfortunately, even if we were not on the registry, some places do background checks so even if we ever get some relief from registration, it will not fix everything but is a start.
LOL. I hope my laughter does not offend, but I found this comment very funny and refreshing. No dogs ever complained! I am so glad not everyone in the registry has lost their sense of humor.
I’ll wager that most of us haven’t because if we don’t laugh at the absurdity of it we’ll go bonkers.
You mean they created an illusion to make it appear like a “safer than other places” place and people fell for it? Then, what they pretended to be protecting their members from happened anyway? No way! That’s so rare (extreme sarcasm).
I keep saying: Pay closer attention to the people putting these nonsense rules that don’t work in place. They’re either trying to cover something up or trying appear as something they’re not. There’s no other for why anybody would ignore logic and/or reality.
The word “Christian” was long ago abandoned by the YMCA.
Well, Cap’n, in both cases, the victims were female, so apparently “men” was also dropped from their organization’s primary focus. Now, if instead of banning Registrants, they returned to all male membership ….. no female assaults would occur b/c there would be no females around to be assaulted. Problem solved?? Maybe it’s just vitriol, but I hope Victim #1 wins her $10 million dollar lawsuit. Then what? I do HAVE an answer: female only staffing at YMCAs nationwide. Problem solved!! No potential-perpetrator men anywhere around! Young No-Men Christian Association. 🤔
I can’t help but wonder what happened to the YWCA? It seems that if women don’t like what their organizations are doing they ‘invade’ men’s organizations…i.e. Boy Scouts, now just Scouts. I knew when they started putting women aboard ships, especially submarines, there would be problems and sure enough there are. It’s almost as though it’s a conspiracy to destroy long established organizations. If women are as efficient at their work as they claim they are, why not give them their own organizations and ships, and thus avoid disruptive happenings that can destroy the lives of both men and women? The commanding officer of a ship has enough to concentrate on as to the war fighting capability of the command and doesn’t need disruptive ‘he’ing and she’ing’ problems. Like a recruiter told me one day when I stopped by for a quick visit…I told him I had 29 years experience and wanted to know if I could join. He looked up at me and said…”You wouldn’t want to be in today’s Navy!”
My cousin just mentioned the other day they have the YWCA in New York. I had never heard of it before a couple days ago.
Here, Here Captain !!!!
I wouldn’t last 24 hours in today’s NAVY.
“How could this be happening? Don’t we already bar sex offenders? Huh.”
Recently???
I seem to recall them banning sex offenders organization-wide circa 2003 (?)
I remember seeing it on the evening news and being ticked off by it. And this was years before I was a person required to register.
The Y and other institutions make the mistake of viewing public registries as a government-sanctioned identification of who is unsafe. It is cheaper and easier to flag registrants than it is to, say, educate and train people in sexual abuse prevention. The false sense of security provided by registries results in more crime, not less.
It’s also known as “security theatre.”
Aside from the s.o. registries our government has another large scale farce that you can take part in at every major airport.
For further information on security theater watch “Adam ruins everything: Adam ruins security.” Netflix has it as episode 2.
It lines up well with the content of this Ymca article.
Yes, the registry makes everything more dangerous for everyone.
But wait, i thought they solve the problem by banning sex offenders!
YMCA. JCA. How long before the slippery slope makes it illegal for a registered citizen to eat at a Chik FIL A or McDonald because they have a play area. Or go to the mall because they have a play area?? We know one has nothing to do with the other. Could you imagine if Film maker tried to make a movie like Pretty Baby, the one Brooke Shields was in as a preteen sex object in today’s society? I know disconnected thoughts but somehow still relevant. The registry is worthless feel good legislation nothing more