By now we’re used to being excluded. Can’t be on Facebook…. well, they sell your private information anyhow. Can’t take your kids to Disney World… who wants to pay ten bucks for an ice cream bar shaped like a mouse anyhow? But there’s a trending exclusion that brings cruel and unusual punishment to an entirely new level. Sex offenders are being denied access to visit family in hospitals.
Over the past few months, individuals on the sex offender registry have been denied entry or removed from hospitals, unable to visit dying parents or be present for the surgeries of their own children.
As a parent (and a son), I can’t imagine what I would do if I rushed to the hospital to be by my loved one’s side in the case of an emergency and was told I could not enter. I would absolutely lose my mind and I can’t imagine anyone who loved their parents or their children half as much as I do would not do the same.
As inhumane as this scenario is, it’s exactly what has been happening. Stuart Yates was removed from his son’s hospital bedside in Wisconsin. A Missouri father was denied access to Cardinal Glennon Children’s Hospital to be with his newborn child, who was in the NICU after he was rushed to the hospital when he stopped breathing. An FAC member, just today, was turned away from Galisono Children’s Hospital in Ft. Myers…
If hospitals are allowed to get away with excluding family members of critically ill patients because of their status on a registry; there’s no more cruel and unusual punishment I can think of. This is a nationwide problem and one we should discuss at the upcoming national conventions.
My Fiance is 30 it years old. When he was 21 he victimized a 14 year old girl. He was charged with Statutory rape. He was sentenced to 7 years in MO Doc. He took probation first and had 2 kids after her was realeased from 120 shock. When almost off paper he violated because the state took his children solely for the fact he was registered. He served 3 years in prison and completed a year sex offender treatment. When realesed he moved here to Florida. I met him shortly there after and Nine months later his first daughter was born. The State of Florida forced me to move out. He wasn’t allowed to see his daughter born, and she is almost a month old. They want 1000 dollars just to assess him even though he has already completed an assesment and also participated in 4 years worth of treatmrnt. He is devastated. Doesn’t leave his room and is beginning to give up hope. The registry was suppose to warn of what they have done. Not continue to punish. The mass extortion being committed by Parole and Police enforcement is overlooked because their voices do not matter. These people that swore to protect us are taking advantage of another’s mistakes. This is extortion, not to mention completely violating their rights as human beings. I wonder if Florida could afford to pay the pain and restitution they by right of law should be ordered to pay these individuals. And Florida continues to create new stipulations to place upon these people. We were starting a family. No plea agreement or law states they cant have kids. So my question now. Is wich organization is going to pay child support since they ordered him to not be involved. Because it’s not the father who wants to love his daughter and raise her that should pay for something he will be arrested fors responsibility at that point.. It should be that power hungry bastard calling the shots. The sex offender laws built on human emotion is a mockery to the U S. It doesn’t say freedom. It says freedom to do what the fuck we want you to do Your parents and our four fathers weep in their grave. And it’s on you Florida.
i think we all need to a class action lawsuit against disney. i phoned and emailed disney, they told me that i would not be allowed into the park if i am a sex offender. how do you tell your kids that they can go but daddy cant? class action time.
How do they know if you’re a sex offender? Do they run background checks on everyone that comes through the gates? That would take all day and then some.
I agree, class action suit, except going to Disney is a privilege not a right.
Disney as well as all the other Parks run your ID if your over 18 !! The closest you can get to Disney is, Disney Springs (Old Disney Market Place) in Lake Buena Vista. We go there often with the Grandkids. No Rides but lots of Restaurants, Lights, And cool things during the season !. And it’s Free, As well as free parking !!. The Rainforest Cafe is there as well as the T-REX Restaurant. The grandkids really love them both !!. And the prices are fair !!. Been going there over 15 years and never had a problem at all (yet)…. No ID checks !! Enjoy !!
At odds with what ive read and heard. Day passes werent an issue until i read this: did something change?
So how does Disney get away with acting as a “private entity” in Orlando? They are acting in the capacity of a GOVERNMENT entity, aka the Reedy Creek Improvement District. One reason that they sold the Celebration development is because some residents actually had the gall to demand to vote in local district elections. Right now, those “votes” are made by 3 or 4 senior Disney officers who “own” a little bit of land within the park property.
Same question for hospitals that receive a buttload of money from the government. That is one reason that a large percentage of universities with hospitals, even private schools, are required to admit mostly in-state students to their med school. So much for “first, do no harm.”
You are allowed to go to Disney. However, Disney will refuse you if they see your license.
The saddest thing is that in the extremely rare instance of a sexual assault at a hospital, it is an employee there who is accused, not a visitor.
Never had a problem with hospitals or DISNEY.
But the anxiety I get from reading about stories like this and then going is REAL.
If you do decide to go to Disney, DONT buy tickets online. Cash at the gate.
Yes and DO not buy the FL resident ticket. They will ask for your ID to prove your residency
I haven’t been to Disney since the early-mid 2000s. I can understand in cashing at places and not order online, as I have done in various places like movie theaters and such. But if you cash in at the gate of Disney, doesn’t Disney ask for ID verification anyway ?
ANONYMOUS – just curious when was the last time you went to Disney? From what I can understand the issue comes in when the registered person buys a pass in their name or uses their ID to get FL resident prices. Or their name is on the hotel registration.
This past weekend. Hotel off site, cash at window.
I was forced to provide home health care with physical therapy and occupational therapy for my roommate because there is no facility that accepts a registered person for inpatient physical rehabilitation in the state of Florida. Beware all registered individuals who unfortunately find themselves needing continuing health care needs!!! You will not be permitted to obtain continuing health care upon release from a hospital stay!!! My roommate in on Medicare with a Blue Cross/Blue Shield supplement insurance that covers continuing healthcare that he cannot obtain in any facility that I could find in the United States of America because he is a “registered sex offender.”
Gainesville Health Care Center does accept RC’s for long term skilled nursing care. At least that was true as of last year.
How can the Registry not be considered punishment. When it’s used as a list to add new stipulations, requirements, restrictions and policies at the whim of the wind. Without a judge’s order. Somebody anybody tell how the Registry is not punitive
If you tell me the SCOUS already ruled such. Fine to every thing on that date of ruling period.
This is no less than vigilantism. Being punished for the mere fact you are on a list. These are private i institutions not a judiciary. For them to impose this restriction is a ciolation of human rights. Bar a drunk driver from nascar or a saloon, bar a thief or fraudster from a bank. They would have the right to remove you if you violate a term of service but theres no violation nor incinuationnof a violation. Judging and imposing on what you think should happen is blatant profiling and discriminatory. Noone there is signing an employment application nor giving explicit permission for a check as its to no benefit to the temporary relationship established for access. How is this being allowed? Are the parks denying all even on a day pass now? Why do they need to know who you are there are privacy guidelines i guess they are just superceeding. But a hospital denying the PATIENT the right to have a visitor for a PRE or POSSIBLE reason is just plain inhuman.
This MUST be brought up in lawsuits, such as the NARSOL one that is going on now. The more ammunition the better.
Thank God that we have NARSOL and ACSOL to fight and take action in court in matters like this.
And the ACLU as well.
The ACLU will not help you in all instances, I wrote to them and told them about my case of being arrested for an American Legion sticker on my driver’s license, they declined to take the case, it’s 7 months now since my arrest and it is still being tried as a felony
Does seem like the ACLU sticks with class action suits, like the big Doe v Snyder up here in Michigan that they won last year. I believe there were 5 offenders involved in that lawsuit. The advice on their website for others facing the same issue now in Michigan is that you are on your own, and you need to retain your own attorney. At least they have done some things to help, where others would ignore us.
Thank god we also have FAC and the ACLU working together to fight for us here.
Discuss untill jaws sore and face turns blue. Allowed to be intrenched. Geared toward men, suppress the vote, practice de ex facto punishment to establish a punitive Police State. This establishment not going to allow discussions reverse its gain.
How are these people learning of a persons offense
Are they not worried about being sued for millions ?
If my family is in the hospital I am there with them
If I was denied I would set my shame aside and get an attorney
And collect funds
I did exactly what you are thinking !! I spoke to TWO Lawyers !!. And according to them, The Hospital has the “Right” to deny access to “ANYONE” they choose !!. They can’t deny Emergency Services, But can actually deny services to a paitent as long as there isn’t a immediate threat of death !!. They said that there is a SLIM chance of winning in a Lawsuit, But needed a Pretty BIG retainer to get it started. The HUGE retainer thing stopped me in my tracks !!. I’m like 99% of other EX Offenders, Broke and barely getting by !!. Can’t AFFORD to Fight !!!. The “Government” has us Right Where They Want Us !!!!. Broken and unable to do anything !!!!.
Understood but if they are denying because of a past issue then they need to deny all with any past issue as theres no proof this issue is any worse than any other. All or nothing and then if not its discriminatory.
According to the lawyer. The hospital is a private company. And it can deny entry to whomever it chooses. Can’t deny “Emergency” care, But can even deny to help someone with a nonemergency illness !! . Believe me. I want to do something !!. If you find someone that will take the case and do it without a retainer. I’m in !!!!
I believe they can only stop you if it is a “private hospital”. COUNTY-run hospitals are run by the county
(aka: the city, county, state) therefore it is a public place, paid for by taxpayers–Unless the state says that you are “tax exempt”….????
Correct !!. And from what I’ve seen. All County/State hospitals don’t have this “Denial” policy. But as a “Private” Hospital, Department Store, Convince Store, Skating Rink, Or ANY other “Private” Company, They have the option to “Deny” whoever they choose, And let “in” whoever they choose. Yes, I believe that if they deny one class of “Felons”, They should make it a “Blanket” policy. But, In the end, This is “america”(lower case letters on purpose !!!) And we (They) have the “Freedom” to choose whoever they want !. I hate it, You/we ALL hate it. But ????????.
Once they pick and choose thats the problem: if its felons then its felons not this and that. It becomes deliberate and exclusive. And thers the issue of patients rights as well
I wonder if it will come to the fact that WE are denied care at a local hospital…
I take dialysis at a local not-for-profit hospital because all the private dialysis locations are in “neighborhoods”, close to school, parks, daycare centers. A man that used to live in our place had a fatal illness and ultimately was taken to the hospital and then the hospice that was originally supposed to have him. The hospice had the same type of location, and he originally could not stay there. The emergency altered the situation. He could not stay at the hospital because the hospice had health jurisdiction for this man, but he could not normally go to the hospice because of their location. He only had a few days to live and he wanted to see his grandchildren before he died. His daughter asked FDLE and FDLE say “no”. Their opinion was that the children would be jeopardized being in the same room as a sex offender. The man couldn’t even feed himself and he was a danger?! His adult daughter brought them into his room anyway. He had a proper visit with them all. He said goodbye to them. The next day, he passed away. One more dead sex offender in the world. We still get mail with his name and it still shows he lives at this address.
I see there’s no uniformity on how these things are being enforced. For example, in Florida there are NO registration laws against going to Disney World, a hospital and even the park or the beach. I have E-mails from FDLE confirming this. This is when your completely off of all Probation of course. So, my question is where is this coming from? I am only talking about Florida, don’t know what the other states are doing, but Florida is supposed to be one of the worst.
Businesses, such as Disney or a hospital are banning registrants.
The parks and beaches are municipal ordinances (ie: County or City rules)
they didn’t seem to care when my husban was rushed to hospital for congestive heart failure but when he was in hospital before for surgery I called and told registry people that he was in hospital and they actually went there to make sure he was there – all this over combing his step daughters hair
It’s just disgusting. Sometimes it’s the last chance you will ever have to spend time with a dying loved one. It’s bad enough to sit in a waiting room when a family member is undergoing surgery. Can’t imagine having to wait for a phone call to find out if they came through it okay.
My God! What else are they going to think of ? Why? are they doing this?
Here’s another one for ya related to this. Back in November, my parents went on a trip and my dad passed away suddenly in his sleep. The funeral was in South Carolina. I’m on probation so obviously I can’t leave the county and I certainly can’t travel and stay overnight in South Carolina. Soooo, I had to pay my lawyer $420 to do a motion to get a court order for me to travel to South Carolina for 4 days and 3 nights (like a vacation package or something) lol. Here’s the best part, one of the conditions for the order was that I had to report to probation when I got back for a DRUG test!! 🤣🤣 So forget about me meeting up with someone online, we’re more worried about me smoking weed overnight in South Carolina LMAO!! This is how utterly stupid our government is y’all. But yeah, on top of making provisions in hospitals they need to make provisions for people on probation to travel to be with loved ones overnight in hospitals or for funerals. My probation officer couldn’t approve me without a court order, otherwise she would have. They need to have that power at the very least. But the thing is, let a 5 time convicted drug dealer who wreaks of marijuana into the hospital to see their family?? Sure, go right on in. Let a habitual thief whose liable to grab all the meds and supplies he can get his hands on in there?? No problem. Let a non violent SO in there who’s offense is decades old?? Hell no. WTF is wrong with this country?? It is mentally insane and is being run by mentally insane people. Real sh*t.
In December, I was Denied entry to be with my Daughter while she gave birth to my FIRST and probably only Grandson !!!. That was Daytona(Florida) Hospital. . That is something I’ll NEVER get back !!!. It’s so sad that there is SO MUCH hate in this country !!. I’m so ready to so something !!. But, Not being able to find work for the last 8 YEARS has put a serious dent in my Life Savings !!. So all I can really do is Vent on here !!. There is more I can do !!! Just saying !!
The hospital has a few entrances…. There is no way in hell they could keep me from my wife (or kids) if they were in the hospital.
Which brings up another question…….
What happens to the RSO’s if THEY need medical attention? If they are having a medical episode and need to be hospitalized? Are they going to turn US away?
This looks like ANOTHER lawsuit for discrimination.
I am an RSO and I, personally have not had a denial of medical services or denial of visitation. I even spent 10 days in the hospital, with the knowledge of The local sheriff, SVU, and FDLE and nothing was an issue.
When will this end? I cant see my loved one, I might not be admitted into a hospital because of my “status”, when will we be denied the right to seek medical attention, to be present when our loved ones are getting an exam from a doctor.
AND–
When are they going to take away our right to breathe ? ? ?
@Sean,
You nailed it buddy. There’s more than one entrance into a hospital is there not?? I live in Jacksonville and we are known for our health care and excellent hospitals. I do deliveries there and have had to go for appts also. I walk in with no problem and the hospital is usually wide open. Including the Children’s hospital. It’s all connected. So yes, I dare them to deny me entrance should I need to see a loved one. That’s what I was saying earlier. Why are we cow towing to these govt idiots?? Find a lawyer who will file a lawsuit and sue the hell out of these people. I’m sure in cases like these we would win hands down. In any event, I like you’re thinking. There’s more than one way to skin a cat. You can enter hospitals in numerous ways. Good one man.
This is crazy. Next we will find out that we, the RSO’s will not be allowed into a hospital for treatment. When will this insanity end. After the last SEX OFFENDER is DEAD!
So we can’t go to Disney World even when we get off probation?? News to me. Not surprised. Yes this is the height of cruel and not unusual but insane!! Thank you media for creating this ridiculous paranoia. They would just have to arrest me because I would barge right in there and dare them to stop me. We as SOs just need to be more daring like that rather than being so quiet, civil, and submissive. Yeah it might cause some unwanted consequences but I would rather fight for my dignity as a human being as opposed to bending over and letting people give it to me just because of some stupid damn label the corrupt govt gave me because I got caught in their stupid scam sting operation.
You can go to DISNEY. I just wouldn’t buy season passes.
This has been verified extensively.
If you want to take your kids to Disney, buy a single day pass at the gate.
DO NOT buy an annual pass, multi-day pass, online tickets, etc., etc.
Buy your ticket at the gate and you should not have a problem.
Disney checks the registry for any guest that buys tickets online. After not having a problem for years, I was denied entry when I bought water park tickets for my children and I online. Bought the tickets online and went to the gate as usual but my ticket had been revoked. After giving me a run around for 45 minutes saying there was an IT problem they were trying to fix, Orange County deputies showed up and trespassed me for a year and walked me and my kids to the car. We went to another water park. They refunded my ticket but refused to refund my kids tickets even though there was no way for them to go into the park without me.
My advice, spend your money elsewhere. But if you have your heart set on Disney, pay cash at the gate.
This is an issue that needs to be presented to the supreme court as an unintended consequence thus creating it to be a cruel and unusual punishment. Sure the law itself doesn’t say SO’s are barred from hospitals and other such places, however the courts need to consider external societal factors that come into play with the registry. The term “sex offender”, regardless of the crime, is overwhelmingly perceived by the general public to reference strictly child molesters and rapists. We all know that there are a million circumstances that can result in that label, but it automatically portrays in the minds of average people the worst of the worst of sexual deviancies